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LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible
Utah Lighthouse Ministry.org ^

Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian

LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...

It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).

LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:

"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).

LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:

"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:

"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).

LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:

"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)

LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:

"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).

LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:

"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)

LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:

"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).

LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:

"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).

As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:

"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]

Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:

"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son ­ embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]

LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:

"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).

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What the Bible Says About God

1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.

"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12

"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6

"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25

The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.

2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.

"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4

"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9

"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17

"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142

The LDS god achieved holiness.

3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.

"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28

"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5

The LDS god had to learn everything.

4. ALL POWERFUL

"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6

"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20

The LDS god attained his power.

5. OMNIPRESENT

"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1

"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24

The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.

6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION

"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6

"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6

The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.

7. NO OTHER GODS

"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11

"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8

"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9

"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8

The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.

For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:

Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science


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To: metmom
I've posted many many passages fro Stourme, to show how faith is first and faith is what gets counted to make one whole in Christ. But Stourme calls it gobbledegoop. He calls it that because the things of the spirit are not discernable to the carnal mind, the natural man, the unregenerate soul.

I post the passage where the woman with the issue of blood for many years reached out to touch just the hem of jesus garment, faithing that He could heal her, and Jesus turning to tell her her faith hath made her whole ... and she was unclean thus her work was as filthy rags in Jesus's presence, but her faith in Him caused her healing by Him.

I posted passage after passage where Jesus tells those made whole that it is their faith which hath made them whole. And still the unregerate mind refuses to see the truth. The poster himself even offered a passage from John which has Jesus explaining that works of righteousness do not happen unless God is in you, because Jesus told the Pharisees even if they do not believe He is The Son of Man, to look at the works which Jesus could not do unless God be in Him the author of the works. And still the darkness is more comfortable to the poster. Pride/selfrighteousness is a very powerful poison dontchaknow.

251 posted on 11/07/2010 5:52:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: restornu
 

No way around it carnal profane words are carnal profane words and come from a place where the almighty is not present!

2 Kings 17:41
 
Even while these people were worshiping the Lord, they were serving their idols.
To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.

252 posted on 11/07/2010 5:53:41 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 

No way around it carnal profane words are carnal profane words and come from a place where the almighty is not present!

 Judges 16:1

Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her.

 

And yet GOD used this man.

253 posted on 11/07/2010 5:56:20 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

The simple fact that Rom 5:6 & 8 Christ died for us while we were BOTH ungodly and sinners, within the entire book of Romans, we do not have to do anything to EARN that salvation.

There is no one that Jesus didn’t die for. But the salvation offered by Christ is not something that can be earned by works of righteousness - but strictly by grace. Paul said it best -

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So are you saying Godzilla, that Lucifer will receive grace?


254 posted on 11/07/2010 5:57:14 PM PST by restornu
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To: Godzilla; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN

Romans 4

1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.


255 posted on 11/07/2010 5:57:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie

God also uses Satan!


256 posted on 11/07/2010 5:58:16 PM PST by restornu
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To: Elsie

Someone was attempting to pass judgment on FreeRepublic, and as usual could not accomplish the hateful task.


257 posted on 11/07/2010 5:59:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Stourme; metmom
[metmom] Nor can works ever give any guarantee of salvation because you never know if you've done enough.

You are correct. You're absolutely right.

Metmom is correct, you however do not give the rest of the story stourme

The other side of the equation is daily repentance.

Not according to mormon doctrine and the teachings of your apostles and prophets stourme. Take for example the misrepresented term 'repentance' what does your doctrine state?

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”

If you are having to continually "repent" stourme - then you never REALLY repented in the first place - according to your doctrine. Your prophet stated:

“Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” —Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148

Wow, daily 'repentance' is not pleasing to your 'god' stourme. Are you willfully trying to mislead, or are have you been misled in this point?

In fact, because you have not 'repented', your doctrine states -

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 82:7: “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.”

You have to start cleansing yourself from all your past sins too, and your god cuts you no slack does he -

ALMA 45:16: “…for the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.”

Remember the term "filthy rags" stourme? Beginning to see it is impossible for you to become 'worthy' or godly enough for Jesus' grace.

Tell us when you have done ALL you can do.

258 posted on 11/07/2010 6:00:28 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: metmom
But it sure makes people feel good to be in control.

Control as long as the prozac holds out.

259 posted on 11/07/2010 6:01:54 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: restornu
So are you saying Godzilla, that Lucifer will receive grace?

NEVER, lucifer is not a human being, never was, never will be, but a different creation all together. Because of his place infront of God, there was no excuse for his rebellion, nor any provision for any grace. His was a form of the unpardonable sin.

Humanity is a separate creation from the angels. I know mormonism doesn't teach that, but you asked MY interpretation as a Christian.

260 posted on 11/07/2010 6:06:03 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN

Especially

Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.


261 posted on 11/07/2010 6:07:21 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: restornu
Aside from the fact that the name Lucifer is a construct of St. Jerome when he translated the Setuagint into the Latin Vulgate, and the name was only found in his translation of the Setuagint book of Isaiah (Isaiah, circa 600BC), until the King James Version. And aside from the fact that the passage in Isaiah which has no name 'Lucifer' refers to a Babylonian king, not the devil, until St. Jerome made the Latin Vulgate translation. Aside from those facts, what makes you think Satan will ask that Jesus be his savior, rather than that Jesus bow down to him as he sought Jesus to do when Jesus was out in the wilderness before finishing His ministry?

Sorry, Resty, Jesus and Lucifer have never been brothers and never will be brothers. You're exposing your profound ignorance of Christianity, Resty. Give it a rest.

262 posted on 11/07/2010 6:07:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: metmom; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN
Romans 4:4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Why, you mean that the UNGODLY do not have to work to be worth, but simple faith and that it is a WORK OF GOD that credits them as being righteous!!! Making God's grace and OBLIGATION through works.

263 posted on 11/07/2010 6:15:44 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

NEVER, lucifer is not a human being, never was, never will be, but a different creation all together.

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scripture?


264 posted on 11/07/2010 6:16:34 PM PST by restornu
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks JR ...and amen


265 posted on 11/07/2010 6:20:46 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Stourme
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,...

I just LOVE the things Jesus says!

John 6:28-29 

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


266 posted on 11/07/2010 6:25:54 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
You beat me to it; so I'll leave THIS for us all:

Titus 3:3-8

 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 

 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,  he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.

He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,  whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,  so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.


267 posted on 11/07/2010 6:30:25 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
That guy is way behind WND has always been anti LDS as far back as 2004 when RazorMouth would write scathing anti LDS stuff....

Scathing?

The auDACITY to post historical FACTS?

268 posted on 11/07/2010 6:33:31 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator

I just want to thank all of you that monitor the religion forum. This has to be the toughest of the forums to mod..

Every one of us have done hard nose apologetics on this forum, we have said words that others have taken offense at.. and every one of us has had words said to us that offend.. That is what freedom of speech means.. it does not mean the right not to be offended..

The mods here keep the line of traffic open without stomping on the rights of anyone here

Thanks again for all you guys do


269 posted on 11/07/2010 6:33:37 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Gamecock

Thou almost temptest me...


270 posted on 11/07/2010 6:35:34 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

but not all hearts are unrighteious!
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Yes Resty, every one...

There are none righteous, no not one...Romans 3:10


271 posted on 11/07/2010 6:35:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Stourme
Jesus then has requirements of us.

And just what ARE there 'requirements'?

I can produce a list of MORMON ones if you can't find Jesus'.

272 posted on 11/07/2010 6:39:13 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
Jesus then has requirements of us.

And just what will happen to a person if these 'requirements' are not kept?

273 posted on 11/07/2010 6:40:33 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
It's failing these requiements which will keep the so called "believers" out of heaven.

Ignore my last question and just SHOW the Scripture that this assertion comes from.

274 posted on 11/07/2010 6:41:44 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
But the promise of salvation is that Jesus would pay the price for sin and by doing so satisfy the law. Jesus then has requirements of us. It's failing these requiements which will keep the so called "believers" out of heaven.

OK; I think I get it now:

SAVED by Grace;

KEPT by Works.

275 posted on 11/07/2010 6:42:58 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Works are a result of salvation to glorify God. They don’t earn salvation. Faith does that.

Oh so TRUE!!

Works are ONLY needed if you want to KEEP your salvation!

--MormonDude(oh yeah; and pay yer 10% - on time - regularly, too.)

276 posted on 11/07/2010 6:45:37 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme

Stourme,

I just reread your post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2622457/posts?page=100#100

You claim there are conditions that you must meet to receive salvation.

I pointed out that Christ died for the ungodly- not for those who “try to be worthy.

You said that was “utterly devoid of truth.”

You were wrong. It was exactly what the Apostle Paul wrote.

As it turns out, your post was false.

If you believe what you posted, you will spend eternity in hell.

It will be because you refused to acknowledge that you are ungodly and tried to earn your own worthiness.

You can instead, turn to Him and acknowledge your own sinfulness, ungodliness and utter inability to live righteously.

Will you?


277 posted on 11/07/2010 6:50:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: MHGinTN

OOOOOOOOOO

Is that a Southern type “ bless your little heart” ???

Or a regular kind ???


278 posted on 11/07/2010 6:53:44 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; Jim Robinson
I have no clue what you are refering too the point I was making is that guy was way behind on WND, who enjoyed posted RazorMouth scathing strawman stuff on the LDS.


 

 
                       Standard LDS responses to data put to them:
 
 1. How you interpret it is wrong...
 2. You are too ignorant to really understand it because you are not a member....
 3. You're not qualified to judge because you're no LONGER a member...
 4. You are just a bigot for bringing the whole ugly truth to light ...
 5. So's yer Mama!
 6. Laugh it all off and post some silly image.
 7. Jump down the rabbit hole; Alice!
 8. Bait & Switch
 9. The OTHER 'half' of the truth is what we are avoiding.
10. "I Know It When I See It"
11. Hand waving...
12. YOU play defense for a while.
13. HEE Hee hee... let's get the Calvinists and the Armenians fighting!
14. GREAT FUN! Let's get the Catholics and the Protestants fighting!
15. Huh? Did you say something?
16. If I repeat this enough times some folks will be fooled into thinking it's true.
17. Playing dumb.
18. Refusing to answer because your ATTITUDE offends them.
19. (Let's see if they'll fall for the 'Defend a freak' ploy.)
20. And the MOST used... IGNORE what they posted and answer the question that SHOULD have been asked.

279 posted on 11/07/2010 6:55:48 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

God created: Psalms 33:6; Psalm 148:2,5; Isaiah 40:26; Ephesians 3:9-10; Revelation 10:6; Nehemiah 9:6

Christ created: Colossians 1:16.


280 posted on 11/07/2010 6:56:59 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: restornu
I used to read all the time until Farrah had this attitudes towards the LDS.

So...

You value your RELIGION more than your CONSERVATISM.

281 posted on 11/07/2010 6:56:59 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
The other side of the equation is daily repentance.

Of WHAT?

Mormonism says that if you need to repent, then you've sinned. And if you've sinned; then you REALLY didn't repent the LAST time.

282 posted on 11/07/2010 6:58:42 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I get to be Mary Magdalene in our Christmas program PlaceMarker...

There are none better than she was...


283 posted on 11/07/2010 6:58:44 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: metmom
Daily confessing of sin and asking for forgiveness restores the fellowship we have with God. Sin breaks the fellowship, not the relationship.


Agreed.

Even David, called 'a man after GOD's own heart' commited grievous sins and yet he cried out in psalm 51:

10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.

Restore to me the joy of your salvation

NOT Restore to me your salvation

284 posted on 11/07/2010 7:02:57 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Natural man TN speak for yourself!


285 posted on 11/07/2010 7:04:11 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

Good day???


286 posted on 11/07/2010 7:05:39 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
God also uses Satan!

Can ya kinda give us an EXAMPLE of what you have claimed?

287 posted on 11/07/2010 7:06:40 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
scripture?

So; since YOU have asked for Scripture references; are YOU going to produce when asked; too?

288 posted on 11/07/2010 7:08:38 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I suggest reading #239 before you condemn anyone else to hell.


289 posted on 11/07/2010 7:09:51 PM PST by Stourme ((www.thebayougardener.com - my favorite website))
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To: restornu

They are not my words, Resty...

There are none righteous, no not one...Paul, Romans 3:10


290 posted on 11/07/2010 7:10:10 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Godzilla; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN

If our righteousness is as filthy rags to God, just how can anyone consider that they would in any way make one worthy to then receive and continue on in grace?

The best we can do is then the same as doing nothing.


291 posted on 11/07/2010 7:12:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion
I suggest reading #239 before you condemn anyone else to hell.

239 proves nothing except it is a demonstration of a flawed, perverted gospel.

292 posted on 11/07/2010 7:16:47 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: greyfoxx39
Sounds like a particular group of folks is running out of tricks...

And getting hammered from all quarters, not just FR...

293 posted on 11/07/2010 7:17:52 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Stourme

When you feel condemnation, it isn’t AMPU bringing that feeling. Do you know Who loves you so much that He will continue to whisper His condemnation while you yet have time to repent and trust in Him to be your Savior, right now? Do you have a clue Whom loves you so much that wants you to be born again, right now? Do you know Whose promises cannot be broken, the One Who has promised to come into your dead spirit and bring Life and never leave you or forsake you? Don’t be like Felix (Acts 24:25), be like Zacchaeus (Luke19:5&6).


294 posted on 11/07/2010 7:25:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: metmom

All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. Isaiah 64:6


295 posted on 11/07/2010 7:27:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Stourme
And please, don't be like King Agrippa: Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
296 posted on 11/07/2010 7:31:55 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I have G.R.I.T.S. as potty time reading material. You guess which it is!


297 posted on 11/07/2010 7:35:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Elsie

It goes with the job.


298 posted on 11/07/2010 7:43:38 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: RnMomof7; Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you for your support.


299 posted on 11/07/2010 7:47:33 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Elsie

In reply to your post #133, I’m sorry, I misread your post and commented in post #90, thinking you were promoting Mormonism...then didn’t have time to come back to the thread for awhile!


300 posted on 11/07/2010 7:58:25 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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