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LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible
Utah Lighthouse Ministry.org ^

Posted on 11/05/2010 6:32:25 PM PDT by Colofornian

LDS Prophet Joseph Smith taught that God was once a mortal man:

"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. ...I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil,...

It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, ...and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; ...you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another,... from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, Ch. 14, p. 305-6).

LDS President Brigham Young declared that God was once a finite being:

"It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being" (Deseret News, Nov. 16, 1859, p. 290).

LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith said that God had a father, a grandfather, etc.:

"Our father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father" (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

LDS President Joseph F. Smith taught that God was born as a mortal on some other earth:

"I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions...Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman" (Deseret News, Church News, Sept. 19, 1936, p. 2).

LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie taught:

"The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)

LDS Apostle Melvin Ballard explained that God has a wife:

"For as we have a Father in heaven, so also we have a Mother there, a glorified, exalted, ennobled Mother" (As quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage, LDS Church manual, 1976, p. 129).

LDS Doctrine and Covenants promises the faithful LDS couple that they can achieve godhood in the same manner as God the Father:

"...if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity,... they shall [have]...a continuation of the seeds [children] forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting,... Then shall they be gods, because they have all power,... and continuation of the lives,... [endless procreation of spirit children]" (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:18-22)

LDS President Brigham Young taught that faithful Mormons can achieve godhood:

"Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 245).

LDS President Joseph F. Smith said:

"We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 54).

As recently as 2007 both Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Dallen Oakes, during an interview for PBS, explained that God the father has a resurrected body. Apostle Packer stated:

"That vision [Joseph Smith's 1820 vision] taught us some things. We learned about the personality of God the Father, a resurrected Being, as part of our gospel." [link]

Apostle Oakes used the same term when he was interviewed:

"The first revelation received by Joseph Smith was the appearance to him of the Father and the Son ­ embodied, separate, identifiable, tangible Beings who appeared to him in what we refer to as the First Vision. And that first revelation, concerning the nature of God as an embodied, glorified, resurrected Being, challenged the creeds of Christianity. Christianity describes God as a disembodied, incomprehensible, spiritual entity that fills the whole universe, and an indistinguishable Father and Son." [link]

LDS Apostle James E. Talmage taught that God progressed from a mortal to a god:

"We believe in a God who is Himself progressive, whose majesty is intelligence; whose perfection consists in eternal advancement — a Being who has attained His exalted state by a path which now His children are permitted to follow, whose glory it is their heritage to share. In spite of the opposition of the sects, in the face of direct charges of blasphemy, the Church proclaims the eternal truth: 'As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be'" (Articles of Faith, Ch. 24, p. 430-431).

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What the Bible Says About God

1. ALWAYS GOD - in the past as well as in the future.

"Art thou not from ever-lasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One?" Hab. 1:12

"For I am the Lord, I change not." Mal. 3:6

"...from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." Psa. 90:2

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." Num. 23:19

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,...who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever." Rom. 1:22-25

The LDS god started as a finite man and progressed to godhood.

2. ALWAYS HOLY - Both in the past and future.

"...a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." Deut. 32:4

"I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee." Hos. 11:9

"The Lord is righteous in all his ways and holy in all his works." Psa. 145:17

"God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5

"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness." Psa. 119:142

The LDS god achieved holiness.

3. ALL KNOWING - Both in the past and in the future.

"Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? ... There is no searching of his understanding." Isa. 40:13, 14, 28

"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite." Psa. 147:5

The LDS god had to learn everything.

4. ALL POWERFUL

"The Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Rev. 19:6

"...his eternal power and Godhead." Rom. 1:20

The LDS god attained his power.

5. OMNIPRESENT

"The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; where is the house that ye build unto me: and where is the place of my rest?" Isa. 66:1

"Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord." Jer. 23:23-24

The LDS god can be in only one place at a time.

6. ACTED ALONE IN CREATION

"I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself." Isa. 44:24

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psa. 33:6

"Thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all." Neh. 9:6

The LDS god cooperated with the Council of Gods to create.

7. NO OTHER GODS

"I am he; before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." Isa. 43:10-11

"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God....is there a God beside me; yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isa. 44:6 & 8

"To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isa. 46:5 & 9

"I am the Lord; that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another." Isa. 42:8

The LDS God has a father and mother, grandparents, brothers and sisters, etc.

For a more in-depth discussion of the LDS view of God and man:

Mormonism and the Threefold Problem of Progression: Examining the LDS Doctrine of Eternal Progression in Light of the Bible, Philosophy, and Science


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; god; inman; lds; mormon
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To: greyfoxx39

Wouldnt Lucy Mack Smith be Mary ???

After all its the baby Joey...


501 posted on 11/08/2010 4:29:25 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

You’re right...but who would know that? ;)


502 posted on 11/08/2010 4:31:40 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh and didnt I read in FR a month or so ago an argument that mormons NEVER have Christmas trees...

something about a German pagan thingy...

and I was the one to remember this photo of a Christmas tree in the nativity scene in the humble Smith stable errr cabin...

Electricity and all of course...


503 posted on 11/08/2010 4:35:39 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

Lucy would have wanted that part...

I doubt if she was a shrinking violet...


504 posted on 11/08/2010 4:36:43 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
Lucifer was one of the sons of God

Lucifer was an angel.. that is a completely different creation of God than men.

505 posted on 11/08/2010 4:43:25 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Stourme; MHGinTN

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> “Where ever the gospel you follow is leading you... I don’t want to go.”

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Don’t worry, you won’t! - you will get to the Great White Throne, and no farther.
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506 posted on 11/08/2010 4:58:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Hodar; Stourme; Paragon Defender; Adam-ondi-Ahman; America always; Antonello; Arrowhead; ...
Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church? This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with stoking a precious few egos.

This is utter nonsense. It's like saying can't all religions just coexist. Well, no they can't-not unless you're willing to admit that the LDS is only one of many "true" religions. This is post-modernism at its finest.

As a Protestant Reformer, I'm happy to defend my faith and I appreciate Jim giving us this forum to do so. I'm also very grateful for others who would challenge me on my beliefs because it shows that they are thinking about what they believe and they cause me to think. We may not always agree, and many times don't, but it is through this interaction that we all grow to the knowledge of Christ.

If nothing else, you may wish to look upon the "bashing" as a time of persecution and count it as joy as the scriptures tells us. Isn't that time of rejoicing worth $50 bucks from time to time?

507 posted on 11/08/2010 4:59:10 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

placemarker


508 posted on 11/08/2010 5:29:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu; jimrob

Love is a wonderful Biblical ideal.

It also has different definitions by different folks in different contexts.

I’m very personally bashed almost 24/7 hereon . . . sometimes from the top down—and I still donate what I can on my meager semi-retired income.

We are a wonderful community in our diversity and our unity.

Praise God and thank JimRob for that.


509 posted on 11/08/2010 5:51:33 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: greyfoxx39

I thought being personally assaulted 24/7

was

!!!!TRADITION!!!!

around here.

Oh. I see. For some of us.


510 posted on 11/08/2010 5:58:04 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7; Religion Moderator

To: Religion Moderator
I just want to thank all of you that monitor the religion forum. This has to be the toughest of the forums to mod..

Every one of us have done hard nose apologetics on this forum, we have said words that others have taken offense at.. and every one of us has had words said to us that offend.. That is what freedom of speech means.. it does not mean the right not to be offended..

The mods here keep the line of traffic open without stomping on the rights of anyone here

Thanks again for all you guys do


AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


511 posted on 11/08/2010 6:10:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Stourme
What an ugly post. Christ doesn't teach His followers to be ugly to other people.

 
What an ugly post. Christ doesn't teach His followers to be ugly to other people.
 

 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
 



Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

 

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 

512 posted on 11/08/2010 6:35:32 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
 
I find that people that continuously try to bully others are themselves weak.




 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843
 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true;  
 
  
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
  
 


513 posted on 11/08/2010 6:36:32 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
The constant jabs, the ridicule, rudness, the ugliness...

[ Elsie concurs; as he points out MORMON heresies ]

514 posted on 11/08/2010 6:41:14 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stourme
Butt...heheh...it's so much easier when the opposition looks like a bunch of rabid squirrels.

It's a WOODCHUCK!

(You said BUTT! heh heh heh)

515 posted on 11/08/2010 6:42:39 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana

He is not into “whited sepulchers”

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/


516 posted on 11/08/2010 6:43:46 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Decisions decisions!

 
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
 
Emma Hale only!!
 
 

517 posted on 11/08/2010 6:45:12 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

[MHGinTN] I appreciate the difficulty in reconciling the passages you cited. ...

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

The other poster that responded gave the type of post expected of them. Nothing more. 

The scriptures I posted were meant to form a reference point.

a. Believers could be cast off

b. Jesus stating that only a few would be saved.

Nothing beyond that was meant to be inferred. I decided it was best to state them up front rather than spend hours in debate about whether they existed.

Matt 25. Has a simple but profound meaning.

1. Do not procrastinate your salvation. Be prepared to meet the savior at anytime.

2. We are on probation. And when our time runs out, we will not be accepted.

One other principle that is taught in these scriptures. People say they know Jesus, but Jesus says He doesn't know them.

Therefore, simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven. And the vast majority of people who think they are going to heaven, in the Lord's own words...aren't.

518 posted on 11/08/2010 7:05:57 PM PST by Stourme ((www.thebayougardener.com - my favorite website))
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To: Stourme

Did you have any questions regarding the Gospel message?


519 posted on 11/08/2010 7:16:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Stourme
Just in case you missed it while speed reading the post--it was a long post, it takes the Life of God, the Presence of God in the human spirit, to produce the nature of God in the Born Again human. Here's the Gospel of Grace in a nutshell: No man can be good enough to generate the nature of God in the human soul/spirit; Jesus walked totally righteous before humankind because His seed--the Holy Spirit of God Almighty--remained within Him until the moment God withdrew His Spirit from Jesus so that Jesus could die the death of one accused IN OUR PLACE. But the justification of God is by faith, so God raised Him up from death, justified and the Holy Spirit again indwelling Him. By faith we too have that same Holy Spirit come into our human spirit, in order to renew our soul to conform to the image of God's Son. It is a lifelong process this conforming, this trans-formative process accomplished by our obedience to His urging from within our human spirit, as He changes our want to so that we are a new creation in Christ Jesus.
520 posted on 11/08/2010 7:28:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Stourme
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

521 posted on 11/08/2010 7:38:00 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson; T Minus Four

There will be NO Romney campaign on FR EVER!! So if that is your hope, get the FLOCK OFF FR NOW!!

Jim, I could kiss you....on second thought, how about a hug instead:-)?:

522 posted on 11/08/2010 7:56:35 PM PST by 4mer Liberal
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To: Religion Moderator

Some reference would be helpful


523 posted on 11/08/2010 7:58:00 PM PST by Stourme ((www.thebayougardener.com - my favorite website))
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To: Stourme

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2622457/posts?page=488#488

You can take it from there.


524 posted on 11/08/2010 8:04:31 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Stourme
The phrases "your example" and "leading you" put the focus on the individual Freeper instead of the issue involved.
525 posted on 11/08/2010 8:04:31 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: restornu

Resty, what is your core belief?


526 posted on 11/08/2010 8:43:56 PM PST by 4mer Liberal
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To: 4mer Liberal; restornu
Resty, what is your core belief?


527 posted on 11/08/2010 8:46:21 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: restornu; Tennessee Nana; Elsie

Everyone is unrighteous, Resty, even you.

“For there is none righteous, no not one.” I’m gonna let you google the bible verse, might do some good.

C’mon Resty, give up trying to gain LDS exaltation and just surrender to Jesus, it is so much better.


528 posted on 11/08/2010 9:12:09 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Religion Moderator
Understood. I'll try to make it more vague.

Question; would this be considered making it personal, "You conveniently overlook that your cult sends 50,000 people" from post 491?
529 posted on 11/08/2010 9:13:13 PM PST by Stourme ((www.thebayougardener.com - my favorite website))
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To: Stourme; aMorePerfectUnion
From post 491, the phrase "You conveniently overlook" is reading the mind of another Freeper and therefore is "making it personal."

If had been word "Evidently you overlook" it would not be mind reading.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

530 posted on 11/08/2010 9:21:15 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Stourme

Don’t push your luck, troll!!


531 posted on 11/08/2010 9:35:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Stourme

I’m not near as nice as RM and you’re beginning to piss me off!!


533 posted on 11/08/2010 9:37:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Stourme; MHGinTN
I guarantee you one thing .. Jesus Christ will not forget it at the judgment. This is an eternal law.

Do you consider posting that statement to a believer as one of your good works?

Luke 6:46 - 47 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,..

Does the above not apply to you, also?

There is no doubt there is a log and splinter in play here. And that goes under 'doeth'.
534 posted on 11/08/2010 9:59:08 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: reaganaut; Paragon Defender; Stourme

The Jesus you and your co hearts believe in seem unable to wash your filthy rags!


535 posted on 11/08/2010 11:07:58 PM PST by restornu
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim

Lets put the cards on the table and stop going around in circles do you have contempt towards the LDS?


536 posted on 11/08/2010 11:14:58 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

I have contempt for trolls.


537 posted on 11/08/2010 11:23:47 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: restornu

And other pushy smart asses.


538 posted on 11/08/2010 11:25:02 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: restornu

Do you have contempt for FR like some of your friends?


539 posted on 11/08/2010 11:26:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Words fail me none of this makes sense!


540 posted on 11/08/2010 11:29:08 PM PST by restornu
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To: Jim Robinson

What it appears to be is bias and it is puzzling...


541 posted on 11/08/2010 11:31:43 PM PST by restornu
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To: Stourme
Therefore, simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven.

Partially right.

Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.

542 posted on 11/09/2010 4:16:09 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Stourme
Therefore, simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven.

You have FLUNKED Logic 101.

543 posted on 11/09/2010 4:17:21 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 4mer Liberal

“I believe I’ll have another beer.”


544 posted on 11/09/2010 4:18:29 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Your STENOGRAPHER is at work it SEEMS.
545 posted on 11/09/2010 4:20:55 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

There you go AGAIN!

Playing dumb...

(Evidently)


546 posted on 11/09/2010 4:21:54 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
What it appears to be is bias and it is puzzling...

No, Sweetheart (That's kinda like a coheart); BIAS is what the 12,000,000 and so forth member Organization, based in Salt Lake City, has when it does want ANYone else (who actually FOLLOW D&C 132) to be called MORMON other than themselves.

Most NORMAL folks would call that by it's more common name: HYPOCRACY!

547 posted on 11/09/2010 4:26:02 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 

What it appears to be is bias and it is puzzling...

Bias??
Puzzling?
 



  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 

548 posted on 11/09/2010 4:28:38 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
...doesN'T want...
549 posted on 11/09/2010 4:30:10 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Your reply has this, 6:26:02 AM by Elsie

My computer clock has 6:17 AM, right now. How are you posting minutes ahead of time?

550 posted on 11/09/2010 4:30:39 AM PST by Graybeard58
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