Skip to comments.How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ
Posted on 11/30/2010 9:14:06 AM PST by greyfoxx39
"No longer members of any legally recognized religion, Mormons organized a focus group to re-brand their identity. So they called around to some California railroad lobbyists, New York ad-men, and brainstormed and out-paradigm-shifted a totally innovational re-branding of Mormonism.
"The Trustee thus offered bonds to Eastern bankers with the promised collateral being the Mormons themselves."The Mormon people, you see, had untapped value: a sense of community, a uniquely productive work ethic, and best of all, a built-in propensity to be obedient to authorities.
In this month (June 1829) I was baptized, confirmed, and ordained an Elder in the Church of Christ by Bro. Joseph Smith. Previous to this, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery had baptized, confirmed and ordained each other to the office of an Elder in the Church of Christ. I was the third person baptized into the church. In August, 1829, we began to preach the gospel of Christ. The following six Elders had then been ordained: Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, Peter Whitmer, Samuel H. Smith, Hyrum Smith and myself. The Book of Mormon was still in the hands of the printer, but my brother, Christian Whitmer, had copied from the manuscript the teachings and doctrine of Christ, being the things which we were commanded to preach. We preached, baptized and confirmed members into the Church of Christ, from August, 1829, until April 6th, 1830, being eight months in which time we had proceeded rightly; the offices in the church being Elders, Priests and Teachers.
Now, when April 6, 1830, had come, we had then established three branches of the Church of Christ, in which three branches were about seventy members: One branch was at Fayette, N. Y.; one at Manchester, N. Y., and one at Colesville, Pa. It is all a mistake about the church being organized on April 6, 1830, as I will show. We were as fully organizedspirituallybefore April 6th as we were on that day. The reason why we met on that day was this; the world had been telling us that we were not a regularly organized church, and we had no right to officiate in the ordinance of marriage, hold church property, etc., and that we should organize according to the laws of the land. On this account we met at my fathers house in Fayette, N. Y., on April 6, 1830, to attend to this matter of organizing according to the laws of the land; you can see this from Sec. 17 Doctrine and Convenants: the church was organized on April 6th agreeable to the laws of our country. (An Address to All Believers in Christ, pg 32-34)Indeed, the Lord defined His church in D&C 10:67, showing that it was already in existence at least since 1828. There was no need to organize something that was already extant. Joseph's act of registering with the state was a slow poison that proved fatal to his creation sixty years later.
"I've had a lifelong interest in what the early Latter-day Saints understood to be the "pure theology" of The Restoration, unfiltered by many of the common assumptions prevalent among a majority of modern Mormons today.
In Joseph Smith's time, a teaching was accepted as valid only if obtained through divine revelation from God. Today, much of what passes for doctrine among my fellow Saints appears to contain "the philosophies of men mingled with scripture."
I've been further intrigued by warnings of the falling away of the latter-day saints in our day as foretold in the Book of Mormon, and this blog was created as a forum for discussing some of the possible signs of that prophesied derailment."
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Google has been the dagger to the Church/Corporation’s heart. People are leaving out the back door of the church by the tens of thousands.
The church will exist in some form for some time, but its best days are in the past. Its decline over the next 25 years will be epic.
This should be an interesting thread. Ping to read later.
It just gets better and better...
I found the subject to be interesting enough to merit reading the article. I got about three screen pages down, then scrolled the rest to see how long it was going to be. I really wanted to read more, but couldn’t.
I find it very difficult to read anything more than 6 paragraphs long where the author bolds, italicizes, increases the font size, indents and otherwise frequently emphasizes different parts of the text which the author somehow thinks are more important than the rest.
If the subject is interesting, the formatting changes are unnecessary. I would prefer a little more brevity and some conistency in the formatting. All of the format changes are distracting and frustrating. It takes away from the credibility of the author, and makes him look like a kook.
If emphasis is needed, it should be applied to passages that are truly revelatory, and sparingly.
In my experience, many readers will skim longer articles. I emphasize accordingly.
The changes I have seen since I left mormonism many years ago are quite stunning.
I think predictions of the collapse of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is more wishful thinking than anything else.
My view from the inside is I don’t see signs of atrophy or withering away. I see a lot of strength, unity, conviction and love. Yes, there are problems and challenges, but that’s to be expected.
I see a bright future.
Your vision, your choice. This article is about the way the original mormon church has become a corporation. Did you bother to read it?
With a charter (not God)
which (not WHO) determines who the next "prophet" will be...
Yeah. I could just imagine it. God establishes a "corporate sole" charter where Elisha takes over for Elijah...except that they were actually "co-prophets" for about a decade...imagine that...
Or God "charters" Hosea and his prostitute wife to "take over" the prophet mantle from Amos...except that they were "co-prophets" for about a decade...hmm...imagine that...
Or God "charters Micah to assume the prophet mantle from Isaiah...except that they were contemporary "co-prophets" for about half-a-century...hmm...imagine that...
Or God "charters" Habbakuk to relieve Zephaniah as prophet"...except that Zephaniah, Habakkuk and Jeremiah were contemporary for almost 20 years -- and Jeremiah & Nahum likewise for over a decade...
[And Samuel and Nathan were simultaneous prophets for about 50 years...and 1 Kings mentions 100 true prophets alive at the same time!)
Just goes to show that the Mormon church isn't a "restoration" of ANYTHING biblical. Lds Inc. has foisted an outright lie upon their people -- and have told them to "cough up" 10% to the corporate coffers.
Despite Hebrews 1:1-2, Mormons have been told that Jesus can't speak directly to His Church on earth...even though the writer of Hebrews clearly says that in the past God spoke through prophets...now He speaks through His Son, the Living Revelation of God!
Why has Lds Inc. bumped Jesus Christ out of the picture as the Church's one Living Prophet?
Why has Lds Inc. silenced Him?
Can He not speak directly any more?
I mean it's downright hypocritical for the Lds Church to insist that God only gives one "prophet" to the church, and then to systematically exclude mention of Jesus Christ as continuing to be THAT SINGLE Living Prophet...meaning...that the Lds church has replaced Him!
Even though MANY of the Old Testament prophets were contemporaries of each other (God speaking through more than one prophet at a time), Lds Inc. "told" God that He can't do that any more -- they have shut the mouths of God speaking through more than a single prophet.. and what's worse, unlike what Heb. 1:1-2 clearly says -- that Jesus is our everlasting "prophetic" voice we hear (see John 10)...Mormons say "no" -- we've shut up Jesus' voice as well...and we ONLY hear in a church body where "ONLY here is the Lords prophet."
"Unwitting cash cows?" Unwitting bank account feeder dupes.
(Give us 10% of your income & that's your temple ticket. Your temple ticket is your freeway to godhood.)
Q What god would attach a ticket voucher you have to pay for to live with him forever?
A Only the Mormon god!
You see, Mormons essentially say that well over 99.x% of people who've ever lived and are living will live with Father-God forever. (That's reserved for married temple Mormons who jump through all the rest of perfectionist, legalistic, ritualistic Mormon hoops!!)
Other Mormons need not apply.
Singles need not apply.
Non Mormons need not apply.
If you want a new "god job" Lds Inc. is assigning to colonies around the universe, you need to become a member in the infamous White Boys Club of Lds, Inc. (Oh, well, they started accepting black members 32 years ago -- when Mitt Romney was a tithing temple Mormon at age 30...but guess what % of their membership is black?)
Another fantasy thread by the anti-Mormon activist gang on FR. /yawn
Monson is still Prez...Packer, I think is next in line but I'm not sure.
“Its decline over the next 25 years will be epic.”
Doubt that. The Church is experiencing a revival if anything. It is exciting, fulfilling, and wonderful to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I have been a Baptist, for a short time a Catholic, a pentecostal/evangelical, but I have never been so full of joy and awe. The Holy Ghost is real. Heavenly Father is real. Our Savior, Jesus Christ, is real. The Church is real.
The anti Mormons can go on their merry way spreading these horrible threads but it mattereth not.