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Difficult Questions for Mormons
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Posted on 12/01/2010 6:28:46 PM PST by delacoert

  1. Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth? God allowed the Jews to carry the 10 commandments for several centuries in their original physical form, written by the finger of God Himself!
  2. "Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God's message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?"
  3. If the original 1830 Book of Mormon was inspired than why were there so many errors and changes and additions and deletions, when compared to current editions?
  4. How can we be assured that the translation of the B of M into French or any other language is correct? Only the English translation is claimed to be inspired!
  5. How do you account for the stunning parallels in both content and order between the B of M and the View of the Hebrews, by Ethan Smith? Published in 1823 (7 years before the B of M) less than 100 miles from the Joseph Smith's parents home.
  6. Mormon Article of Faith #8: "We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?
  7. If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)
  8. How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)
  9. If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God? (Doc. & Cov. 132:17,37)
  10. Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (Doc. & Cov. 89:12,13).
  11. When Christ died, did darkness cover the land for three days or for three hours? (Luke 23:44 and 3 Nephi 8:19, 23).
  12. Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)
  13. Joseph Smith prepared fourteen Articles of Faith. Why has the original No. 11 been omitted? (Joseph Smith Begins His Work, Vol. 2, three pages after page 160, among the photos.)
  14. Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doc. & Cov. 124:56-60).
  15. How can a man who is not a descendant of Aaron hold the Aaronic Priesthood? (Numbers 16:40; Heb. 7:13,14).
  16. Since Mormonism teaches that only God the Father had a physical body at the time Adam was created, why did God say, "Let us make man in OUR image"? Why didn't He say, "Let us make man in MY image?" (Gen. 1:26).
  17. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50).
  18. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon's while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (1 Kings 5:13-18 and 2 Nephi 5:15-17).
  19. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doc. & Cov. 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324).
  20. God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
  21. How do you explain the fact that 2 Nephi 16:2 is copied from an older version of the KJV of the Bible in Isa 6:2? This is proven because this older KJV (the mistake is corrected in current versions) made a rare gramatical error by using the incorrect plural form of "seraphims" rather than "seraphim".


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1 posted on 12/01/2010 6:28:51 PM PST by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Popcorn’s hot, coke’s in hand.....

Let’s see what the cultists (who otherwise are very nice) have to say about their very polite blasphemy.....

What about all of the battles with Iron implements and elephants and other nonsense that is in the book?

Popcorn is good.....


2 posted on 12/01/2010 6:47:44 PM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz (HALLELUJAH)
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To: delacoert

If you get a reply that is beyond “you bigot, you hater, bla bla bla..........” ping me. Oh ya, PD obligatory cut and paste unofficial lds sources doesn’t count as a real reply.


3 posted on 12/01/2010 6:51:08 PM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Your Honor, Council is badgering the witness. . .Christianity is proved by the life, not the lip. . . nor by flippant lie detector tests. If we show more love we would be more persuasive for Christ.


4 posted on 12/01/2010 6:55:30 PM PST by McBuff
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To: delacoert
I too anxiously await the ANSWERS, lol.

You did a good job in those questions.

Oh, for those who have ears and fail to hear, or eyes who fail to see.

WAITING!!!!!

5 posted on 12/01/2010 7:00:05 PM PST by annieokie
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To: McBuff

John 21:15-17 (King James Version)

 

 15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

 16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

 17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.


6 posted on 12/01/2010 7:09:09 PM PST by delacoert
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To: McBuff

asking questions is so unloving.


7 posted on 12/01/2010 7:11:32 PM PST by delacoert
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To: delacoert

You could have included the Smithian use of ‘Lucifer’ in the passage supposedly quoted directly from Isaiah 14, which only got in Isaiah via Jerome’s Latin translation of the tanakh and then the King Jmaes scholars using the copies subsequent to that translational choice of a Latin name.


8 posted on 12/01/2010 7:15:11 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: delacoert

To some who want us all to just get along it is loving your neighbor to allow someone to feed them poison. If the poster persists in the folly, perhaps I should post some of the poison the new adherents to mormonism are not fed until after they’ve been properly herded along the broad road and are nearing the wide gate. Do ya think the poster would even recognize the poison?


9 posted on 12/01/2010 7:20:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: delacoert; All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


10 posted on 12/01/2010 7:31:36 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: delacoert

11 posted on 12/01/2010 7:47:04 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: delacoert
asking questions is so unloving.

How about answering this question.

Luke 11 And they asked him, “Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

( 12 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13 But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him.” Matt11:13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Jesus says that Elijah the prophet is John the Baptist, his cousin. But John the Baptist says he is not Elijah.

John1: 21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent 25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”

So who is telling the truth? Jesus or John? And if Jesus was right...why didnt John "restore all things"? He did not restore all things.

12 posted on 12/01/2010 7:50:39 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: delacoert

Pick a biblical prophet... any author... Paul... Peter... John... Choose any one man who had a significant role in the writing and or compilation of the bible and imagine if they were to be wiped from existence along with anything they contributed (via inspiration from God), and Christianity would still exist. The bible would still exist. The Gospel itself would remain unchanged.

Not true with Mormonism... for if you wipe Joseph Smith from the face of history, Mormonism would go with it. (no doubt to be replaced with some other cult of Christianity) Nevertheless, the truth of Mormonism rests solely upon the existence of a single man.

That should be evidence enough that it is NOT from God.
Because God always confirms His truth through multiple sources.

How many authors are contained within the Bible?

How many authors in the book of Mormon?

Mormonism is a fraud... straight from the spirit of the anti-christ himself.


13 posted on 12/01/2010 8:21:13 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

Yawn.

I’ve been lurking for quite a while and I just can’t quite get why people here think they are doing good by posting stuff like this. Sorry for assuming, but it sure seems like it’s more about the posters’ own egos than helping any poor deluded Mormons. Self-congratulation usually ends with only one set of hands clapping.

Erecting a tired out echo chamber for Mormon bashers every couple of days must get old at some point.


14 posted on 12/01/2010 8:53:33 PM PST by nando9
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To: Paragon Defender
Seekers of Truth, here's a link to a series of videos which will reveal the truth ... about Mormonism.
15 posted on 12/01/2010 9:16:11 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Utah Binger

You might get a kick out of the link ...


16 posted on 12/01/2010 9:16:48 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: nando9

No, n00b, warning of impending doom that enthralls those captured by Momronism or endangered by Momronism lies doesn’t get ‘old’. But reading posts from stealth posters like yourself does get a bit tiresome. If you ever become Born Again, the family name and the Identity of the God of Creation will be of interest to you. The God of Christianity is not the same god as that of Mormonism. Would you like a few quotes from the founders of Mormonism which define the Momronism god and the Mormonism jesus? ... Even a non-Christian could discern the difference very easily.


17 posted on 12/01/2010 9:21:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: delacoert

A loving heart and asking questions are unrelated. One can ask a question with a loving heart and one can ask a question with derision in their heart.


18 posted on 12/01/2010 9:27:47 PM PST by McBuff
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To: nando9
I’ve been lurking for quite a while and I just can’t quite get why people here think they are doing good by posting stuff like this. Sorry for assuming, but it sure seems like it’s more about the posters’ own egos than helping any poor deluded Mormons.

Well, a good portion of those taking a stand against mormonism here are ex-mormons themselves. I'm sure they'll be the first to tell you it's not worth walking miles or years in their shoes to find out the truth. The ones they are helping are those who are not caught up in the lie yet, or are looking for a way out of it... and I doubt you would ever see them post their appreciation considering what they've gone through.
19 posted on 12/01/2010 10:20:02 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Tennessee Nana; Godzilla; Colofornian; Elsie; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; SZonian; SENTINEL; ...

Y’all might find this video series useful ...


20 posted on 12/01/2010 11:10:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: T Minus Four; aMorePerfectUnion

Meant to ping you two to this video series ...


21 posted on 12/01/2010 11:47:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: delacoert
Amazing isn't it.

Yet allowing good people to be deceived by a completely fabricated cult, that uses its alleged “Christinaity” as a hook and lure, and drive the unwary stright into the arms of Satan himself is just fine and dandy by the standard of the Modern Oprah Christians.

To do otherwise is “mean and hateful”

May I suggest they read the Bible, perhaps for the first time. Pay attention to what it says in Jude about “snatching from the fire”. Sometime it takes a bit more than a loving hand to save the very blind...

We are also allowed to confront Christ's enemies, which as professional LDS apologist and enablers running the cult and not true and earnest practitioners of a Faith, people who are no where even remotely here to promote truth just maintain the scam, some here definitely qualify as...

22 posted on 12/02/2010 4:40:52 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: nando9
You know you are right.

In fact I think I will see if we can get a time out.

Certainly the Mormons will recall their 52000 salesmen for a brief respite.

Maybe the Muslims will play along and stay at home for a bit.

Hey, perhaps even old Beelzebub will shut hell down for a few months so we can all move on to other things for a while...

Yes sir a break in the eternal spiritual battle is in order, I am sure all will be on board with the idea...

23 posted on 12/02/2010 4:48:23 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

LOL, I’m just sure that the trade off would be worth it to the Mormons.... ejonesie for 52,000 mishies.

(new tagline)


24 posted on 12/02/2010 5:04:43 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: nando9; delacoert; Safrguns

Welcome to FR Noob.

Apparently you haven’t been “lurking” long enough or you’re either a mormon or a defender of mormons.

There are a few of us who have been and continue to be helped by the postings detailing the fallacies and heresies of mormonISM. They helped me leave mormonISM and I continue to post on their behalf and on behalf of others who may be contemplating leaving mormonISM.

These posts help me as an ex-mo because my wife and son are still members and when we discuss theology, I can point out simple things like this to expose the illogical and false premises that built the mormon church.

Like I said, IF you were “lurking for quite a while”, this would not be news to you and you might have rethought your post, it was and you didn’t.

Personally, I don’t give two bits what you care, you’re parroting the same crap many of the mormon apologist’s and their defenders do, so your position is known.

I post mine to rebut your inane and useless comment that is obviously borne out of falsehood.

Btw, delacoert, good post.


25 posted on 12/02/2010 7:19:33 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: colorcountry

Love the new tagline! Goes right along with my tagline, too.


26 posted on 12/02/2010 7:20:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: colorcountry

Good tagline!


27 posted on 12/02/2010 7:42:39 AM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: delacoert
Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth?

Why did Jesus ascend into heaven after His resurrection? Would not His presence on Earth prove once for all that Christianity is truth?

28 posted on 12/02/2010 8:02:57 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Paragon Defender; All
Rather than answer the questions all we get is this canned mssage. Perhaps PD needs to read this -

Then come back and engage in some grown up coversation.

29 posted on 12/02/2010 8:03:53 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: nando9
I know I know...if you don't like religion forum discussions or their directions, don't read them.
30 posted on 12/02/2010 8:04:42 AM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: nando9

It never gets old for this crowd. It’s funny, if you can remain objective.


31 posted on 12/02/2010 8:07:42 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: nando9
I’ve been lurking for quite a while and I just can’t quite get why people here think they are doing good by posting stuff like this. Sorry for assuming, but it sure seems like it’s more about the posters’ own egos than helping any poor deluded Mormons. Self-congratulation usually ends with only one set of hands clapping. Erecting a tired out echo chamber for Mormon bashers every couple of days must get old at some point.

Well n00b, take the time and posit an ANSWER to the questions posed in the lead. Your failure to address any telegraphs a tendency to ignore even the simplest questions or have a faith too weak to be able to face them head on.

32 posted on 12/02/2010 8:08:15 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: LanPB01
Oh yeah! Eternal fate of your immortal soul is such a hoot, don’tchaknow.
33 posted on 12/02/2010 8:14:15 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LanPB01
Yep, con artists sitting on a multi billion dollar pile of cash are having a wonderful laugh. Keep on propping up the con. It might not be so funny at the final trumpet.
34 posted on 12/02/2010 9:27:39 AM PST by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Thanks for the continued laughs.


35 posted on 12/02/2010 9:57:59 AM PST by LanPB01
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To: McBuff

Are you volunteering as the mind reader who provides this discernment on FR Religion forums?

36 posted on 12/02/2010 10:47:46 AM PST by delacoert
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To: MHGinTN

So the threads posted a few times a week are sincere attempts to point out the danger to the souls of those who follow Mormonism? It is simple evangelism?

Anonymously? On an internet forum? Seriously?

From my deeply held agnostic standpoint, there seems to be a bit more to it than evangelism. There is a ‘preaching to the choir and enjoying the acccolades from doing so’ that pervades these threads as well. As well as a bit of baiting the Mormons to respond as well. And given that the threads read like boilerplate text with the same people making the same comments time and time again, I am unswayed by the evangelism angle.

But that’s just me.


37 posted on 12/02/2010 11:58:51 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz; MHGinTN
From my deeply held agnostic standpoint, there seems to be a bit more to it than evangelism.

Since you have no dog in the discussion your point wanes. In a thread as this, the questions put forth in the article are designed to challenge the mormon to think. It provides an innoculant to others by causing them to think about mormonism outside of the box the missionaries may seek to place them within.

Now for yourself - a deeply held agnostic - this thread isn't directed to you and your agnosticism. So it isn't surprising to see your take on this - other than to question the methods. FWIW, there are a number here who've seen the replies numerous times and have left mormonism as a result.

But then that is just me.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 12:09:34 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: dmz

Paul wrote ICor2:14 for folks just like you.


39 posted on 12/02/2010 2:01:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Godzilla

Ok, let’s review.

1. The observation of an outsider with “no dog in the fight” is less relevant than the fiercely held biases of the opinionated.

2. Keeping people from learning about mormonism from mormons is preferable. Precisely how you would like others to learn about your faith, or professional skills, or political views, etc., I presume.

3. Protecting agnostics from the danger of mormonism is less important than protecting anyone else from the same.

4. You are taking credit for people making highly personal decisions about their faith. On the internet.

How about answering the question about jesus being taken from the earth? If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever. [Naturally, I don’t really want an answer from you. This question is purely in satisfaction of my urge to ask something that I think is clever.]


40 posted on 12/02/2010 2:11:12 PM PST by nando9
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To: nando9

So, let’s see if I get this straight.

1. Ex-mormons post stuff bashing current mormons because they are upset at the way they lived for some period of their own lives.

2. Born Again Christians post stuff bashing mormons because they are right and hope that by “asking questions” their charity for the poor condemned mormon souls will be on full display.

3. Otherwise-mormon opponents are just smarter.

Got it. Yes, I could not imagine how none of this gets old.

When one of my kids asks me a question in whose answer I know they aren’t at all interested, I don’t bother responding. Sometimes it’s also because I don’t have a great answer, but mostly it’s just a waste of time and energy. Since you guys seem to have all the answers already, I guess you fall into the second category.

As an aside, what’s with the juvenile noob comments?


41 posted on 12/02/2010 2:15:19 PM PST by nando9
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To: delacoert

“Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God’s message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?”

I have read the Bible cover to cover several times; I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love the Bible. Mormons believe in the Bible (KJV). I have also read the Book of Mormon and know it to be the inspired Word of God.

Atheists can come up with a thousand questions about the Bible and demand that you answer them one by one but who has time for all that nonsense?


42 posted on 12/02/2010 2:38:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: nando9
Erecting a tired out echo chamber for Mormon bashers every couple of days must get old at some point.

"Make the posters the issue, not the issues."

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As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]

How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church. Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?

If you REALLY want to know about mormonism..click here

43 posted on 12/02/2010 2:49:34 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: nando9
I will answer your “noob” comment.

This forum takes a level of trust among posters. We often have new posters with ulterior motives as well as retreads (banned posters with new screen name) come in and interact playing various games.

One of the signs of this is “aggressive” and focused on one subject initial posts, such as you have done here today. It may be all well and good and should be taken at face value that you have strong opinions and a jump right in with both feet approach, but the vast majority of the time we have found such posters fit into one of the two categories above.

So recent signers are treat with a bit o’ suspicion in such circumstances.

We also have had some recent bannings so there is a high awareness of possible retreads.

Hope that answered you question.

In return both as a favor and to give us a bit more on exactly where you are coming from, what is your Faith?

I am Methodist by practice.

44 posted on 12/02/2010 2:54:21 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: McBuff
One can ask a question criticze with a loving heart and one can ask a question criticize with derision in their heart.

Every time a mormon missionary or member utters the words "Great Apostasy" or "Restoration" they are deriding the Christianity of billions of people worldwide, and it's done every day by millions in every way, from knocking on a door to TV to radio to the internet.

IMO those that are concerned about the information posted here should think of that the next time.

45 posted on 12/02/2010 2:59:15 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: Safrguns

Thanks, Safrguns.


46 posted on 12/02/2010 3:02:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: Logophile; colorcountry; ejonesie22; svcw; reaganaut; MHGinTN; delacoert; Godzilla; Colofornian
Why did Jesus ascend into heaven after His resurrection? Would not His presence on Earth prove once for all that Christianity is truth?

If you weren't a mormon with the fallacious belief in the three-person mormon godhead, you wouldn't even have to ask that question.

Jesus is here with us every hour of every day. I'm sorry for you that you would feel the need to compare our Savior in such a blasphemous way.

47 posted on 12/02/2010 3:07:57 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: greyfoxx39

Good and very correct answer.


48 posted on 12/02/2010 3:14:58 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: nando9; Religion Moderator
Since you are new, you may not be aware of the rules for open threads on the Religion Forum. If you are offended by what you see, perhaps you should stick to the other forums or to the threads labeled "caucus" where prosletyzing is unquestioned.

Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected

Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.

On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”

When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”

Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

 Thin-skinned (emotional, whiney or mercurial temper) posters are the disruptors on open threads.

 

Note the reference to "thin skinned posters".

49 posted on 12/02/2010 3:17:25 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: nando9
1. The observation of an outsider with “no dog in the fight” is less relevant than the fiercely held biases of the opinionated.

LOL, feeling left out? I would prefer at least intelligent input rather than the broad brush bleats you've posted.

2. Keeping people from learning about mormonism from mormons is preferable. Precisely how you would like others to learn about your faith, or professional skills, or political views, etc., I presume.

ROTFLAICGU. nando buddy, if you've followed any of these threads, 90% of the time the articles posted are from MORMON sources and sites. The comparison is like this nando, mormonism is like a car, the salesman makes his alluring pitch for the latest and greatest zoom 5000. Do you accept him at his word? Or do you check out consumer reports, car and driver, customer satisifaction sites, etc to see what those who do not have a vested interest in selling you that car have to say? So if an individual wants to examine mormon sources, they can at least do so in a more informed manner.

Secondly, it is like pulling hens teeth to get mormons to stand up and actually ellucidate what their doctrines are. If you follow threads, we often cite mormon doctrines to supliment what mormons claim to be doctrine. So to say that keeping knowledge of mormonism away from investigators just isn't borne out by facts - we use mormon source doctinal statement a lot.

3. Protecting agnostics from the danger of mormonism is less important than protecting anyone else from the same.

Not at all, the compare and contrast methods I generally use are more than suitable to inform an agnostic like you.

4. You are taking credit for people making highly personal decisions about their faith. On the internet.

I take no credit, just voicing the testimonies of those here who have gotten out of mormonism after being challenged here in FR.

If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever. [Naturally, I don’t really want an answer from you. This question is purely in satisfaction of my urge to ask something that I think is clever.]

Not very clever, but worthy of an answer just the same. Unfortunately, a full and complete answer would be the size of a book, and I'm not up to that level of detail right now. But specifically on the point of If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever, Jesus' presence here in that fashion is not necessary for 'everyone' to become a Christian. Salvation is by faith nando, and the scriptures, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the facts and evidences of the truth of the gospel message and the touch of God on one's life are more than sufficient.

50 posted on 12/02/2010 3:31:16 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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