Skip to comments.Difficult Questions for Mormons
Posted on 12/01/2010 6:28:46 PM PST by delacoert
So, let’s see if I get this straight.
1. Ex-mormons post stuff bashing current mormons because they are upset at the way they lived for some period of their own lives.
2. Born Again Christians post stuff bashing mormons because they are right and hope that by “asking questions” their charity for the poor condemned mormon souls will be on full display.
3. Otherwise-mormon opponents are just smarter.
Got it. Yes, I could not imagine how none of this gets old.
When one of my kids asks me a question in whose answer I know they aren’t at all interested, I don’t bother responding. Sometimes it’s also because I don’t have a great answer, but mostly it’s just a waste of time and energy. Since you guys seem to have all the answers already, I guess you fall into the second category.
As an aside, what’s with the juvenile noob comments?
“Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God’s message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?”
I have read the Bible cover to cover several times; I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love the Bible. Mormons believe in the Bible (KJV). I have also read the Book of Mormon and know it to be the inspired Word of God.
Atheists can come up with a thousand questions about the Bible and demand that you answer them one by one but who has time for all that nonsense?
"Make the posters the issue, not the issues."
As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009. Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005. He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.
How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church. Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?
This forum takes a level of trust among posters. We often have new posters with ulterior motives as well as retreads (banned posters with new screen name) come in and interact playing various games.
One of the signs of this is “aggressive” and focused on one subject initial posts, such as you have done here today. It may be all well and good and should be taken at face value that you have strong opinions and a jump right in with both feet approach, but the vast majority of the time we have found such posters fit into one of the two categories above.
So recent signers are treat with a bit o’ suspicion in such circumstances.
We also have had some recent bannings so there is a high awareness of possible retreads.
Hope that answered you question.
In return both as a favor and to give us a bit more on exactly where you are coming from, what is your Faith?
I am Methodist by practice.
Every time a mormon missionary or member utters the words "Great Apostasy" or "Restoration" they are deriding the Christianity of billions of people worldwide, and it's done every day by millions in every way, from knocking on a door to TV to radio to the internet.
IMO those that are concerned about the information posted here should think of that the next time.
If you weren't a mormon with the fallacious belief in the three-person mormon godhead, you wouldn't even have to ask that question.
Jesus is here with us every hour of every day. I'm sorry for you that you would feel the need to compare our Savior in such a blasphemous way.
Good and very correct answer.
On all threads, but particularly open threads, posters must never make it personal. Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of making it personal. Making a thread about another Freeper is making it personal.
When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun you before hitting enter.
Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.
Thin-skinned posters will be booted from open threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.
Thin-skinned (emotional, whiney or mercurial temper) posters are the disruptors on open threads.
Note the reference to "thin skinned posters".
LOL, feeling left out? I would prefer at least intelligent input rather than the broad brush bleats you've posted.
2. Keeping people from learning about mormonism from mormons is preferable. Precisely how you would like others to learn about your faith, or professional skills, or political views, etc., I presume.
ROTFLAICGU. nando buddy, if you've followed any of these threads, 90% of the time the articles posted are from MORMON sources and sites. The comparison is like this nando, mormonism is like a car, the salesman makes his alluring pitch for the latest and greatest zoom 5000. Do you accept him at his word? Or do you check out consumer reports, car and driver, customer satisifaction sites, etc to see what those who do not have a vested interest in selling you that car have to say? So if an individual wants to examine mormon sources, they can at least do so in a more informed manner.
Secondly, it is like pulling hens teeth to get mormons to stand up and actually ellucidate what their doctrines are. If you follow threads, we often cite mormon doctrines to supliment what mormons claim to be doctrine. So to say that keeping knowledge of mormonism away from investigators just isn't borne out by facts - we use mormon source doctinal statement a lot.
3. Protecting agnostics from the danger of mormonism is less important than protecting anyone else from the same.
Not at all, the compare and contrast methods I generally use are more than suitable to inform an agnostic like you.
4. You are taking credit for people making highly personal decisions about their faith. On the internet.
I take no credit, just voicing the testimonies of those here who have gotten out of mormonism after being challenged here in FR.
If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever. [Naturally, I dont really want an answer from you. This question is purely in satisfaction of my urge to ask something that I think is clever.]
Not very clever, but worthy of an answer just the same. Unfortunately, a full and complete answer would be the size of a book, and I'm not up to that level of detail right now. But specifically on the point of If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever, Jesus' presence here in that fashion is not necessary for 'everyone' to become a Christian. Salvation is by faith nando, and the scriptures, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the facts and evidences of the truth of the gospel message and the touch of God on one's life are more than sufficient.
NooB, really? You just signed up, that makes you a New Bee.
Yep,an Christians stand up and provide answers to them. How 'bout standing up and answering just one of the list honestly and intelligently?
“no dog in the fight” - now thats funny.
“no dog in the fight” - then why are you here?
What part of the Bible do you love, as its not translated correctly?
What part of the Bible do you love, as its not translated correctly?
To some, even one question is "badgering."
Besides, when one of the 52,000 Mormon mishies comes to your door...you feel obligated to answer the doorbell or knock.
When someone posts an article on a Web site, who says you have to...
...Even if you open it...
Christianity is proved by the life, not the lip. . .
Does that equate to silence? Or does the lip and the hands on a keyboard actually have a function? Did Jesus "error" when He "lipped off" to the legalists of His earthly era -- the Pharisees?
If we show more love we would be more persuasive for Christ.
Well, of course. Captain Obvious, eh? Who's going to argue with that?
Of course, the unspoken Q is: How do you define love?
When parents dealing with a rebellious teen into sex & substance abuse is sent away to a boarding school that is geared to addressed that, is that the "loving" thing to do? Perhaps. Perhaps not, depending in part upon the school.
My point is that "love" also includes "tough love." And sometimes...sometimes...we love people with the truth!
"Love...rejoices in the truth" (1 Cor. 13:6)
Sometimes I wish the mushy sentimental lovey types (& I'm not saying you're one -- 'cause I don't know you) would expand their understanding of "love."
Did you ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of Gods message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?
#1...if a church knew that everybody at a given service was saved by the Gospel being embraced, it wouldn't mean that it would stop preaching the Gospel. "Preaching to the choir," therefore is such a worn-out trite phrase that doesn't apply to the Christianity you disbelieve in. (The gospel is for believers and unbelievers alike.)
#2...as for "enjoying the accolades" -- that requires some level of knowledge that you know who's "enjoying" what -- and for someone who's into boasting what and who you don't know as much as you do ("From my deeply held agnostic standpoint"), it sure seems rather strange that you're able to bound from God-agnostic to Freeper-insider sophisticate just like that!
I mean what? Is that Magic-8 ball workin' for you as to how you know which FReeper is internally "enjoying" what?
From my deeply held agnostic standpoint, there seems to be a bit more to it than evangelism.
Let me get this straight. You go around boasting about your ignorance...agnostic is simply Greek for "ignorant" -- from the Greek word, agnôstos...And yet suddenly you're not so "ignorant" of Freeper-strangers whom either you don't know or barely know? Really? Sounds to me on a scale of 1 to 10 re: your "ignorance" level of some FREEPERS, you present yourself as a "6" or higher level ("10" = omniscience).
So are you a "soft-core" agnostic -- you don't know? Or a "hard-core" agnostic -- you don't believe anybody can know?
Assumption apology accepted.
I always wonder about this "love" talk. Jesus used a whip to drive out money changers, John the Baptist called the queen out, standing at the castle........really what is more loving than to work to rescue a person from a cult or to leave them there so they wont be offended. Sometimes the Word of God is offensive to the sinner.