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Difficult Questions for Mormons
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Posted on 12/01/2010 6:28:46 PM PST by delacoert

  1. Why did the angel take Nephi Plates back to heaven? Do they not belong with man? Would not their existence prove once for all that Mormonism is truth? God allowed the Jews to carry the 10 commandments for several centuries in their original physical form, written by the finger of God Himself!
  2. "Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God's message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?"
  3. If the original 1830 Book of Mormon was inspired than why were there so many errors and changes and additions and deletions, when compared to current editions?
  4. How can we be assured that the translation of the B of M into French or any other language is correct? Only the English translation is claimed to be inspired!
  5. How do you account for the stunning parallels in both content and order between the B of M and the View of the Hebrews, by Ethan Smith? Published in 1823 (7 years before the B of M) less than 100 miles from the Joseph Smith's parents home.
  6. Mormon Article of Faith #8: "We Believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Why do you only add the phrase, "as far as it is translated correctly" to describe the Bible and not after the book of Mormon when in fact there are far more translating errors in the Book of Mormon than the Bible?
  7. If the Book of Mormon is true, then why has the Mormon church changed it? Examples are: 1 Nephi 11:21; 19:20; 20:1 and Alma 29:4. Compare these with the original Book of Mormon. (Gerald and Sandra Tanner have counted 3913 changes in the book of Mormon, excluding punctuation changes.)
  8. How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)
  9. If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon Gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a God? (Doc. & Cov. 132:17,37)
  10. Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (Doc. & Cov. 89:12,13).
  11. When Christ died, did darkness cover the land for three days or for three hours? (Luke 23:44 and 3 Nephi 8:19, 23).
  12. Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264. See repreint in Mormonism --Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)
  13. Joseph Smith prepared fourteen Articles of Faith. Why has the original No. 11 been omitted? (Joseph Smith Begins His Work, Vol. 2, three pages after page 160, among the photos.)
  14. Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doc. & Cov. 124:56-60).
  15. How can a man who is not a descendant of Aaron hold the Aaronic Priesthood? (Numbers 16:40; Heb. 7:13,14).
  16. Since Mormonism teaches that only God the Father had a physical body at the time Adam was created, why did God say, "Let us make man in OUR image"? Why didn't He say, "Let us make man in MY image?" (Gen. 1:26).
  17. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50).
  18. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon's while Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (1 Kings 5:13-18 and 2 Nephi 5:15-17).
  19. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doc. & Cov. 132; and History of the Church Vol. 6, page 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, page 324).
  20. God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made (Gen. 3:21). Why do Mormons memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons in the secret temple ceremonies?
  21. How do you explain the fact that 2 Nephi 16:2 is copied from an older version of the KJV of the Bible in Isa 6:2? This is proven because this older KJV (the mistake is corrected in current versions) made a rare gramatical error by using the incorrect plural form of "seraphims" rather than "seraphim".


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To: nando9

So, let’s see if I get this straight.

1. Ex-mormons post stuff bashing current mormons because they are upset at the way they lived for some period of their own lives.

2. Born Again Christians post stuff bashing mormons because they are right and hope that by “asking questions” their charity for the poor condemned mormon souls will be on full display.

3. Otherwise-mormon opponents are just smarter.

Got it. Yes, I could not imagine how none of this gets old.

When one of my kids asks me a question in whose answer I know they aren’t at all interested, I don’t bother responding. Sometimes it’s also because I don’t have a great answer, but mostly it’s just a waste of time and energy. Since you guys seem to have all the answers already, I guess you fall into the second category.

As an aside, what’s with the juvenile noob comments?


41 posted on 12/02/2010 2:15:19 PM PST by nando9
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To: delacoert

“Will you, as a Mormon, please read the Bible cover to cover and ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God’s message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?”

I have read the Bible cover to cover several times; I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I love the Bible. Mormons believe in the Bible (KJV). I have also read the Book of Mormon and know it to be the inspired Word of God.

Atheists can come up with a thousand questions about the Bible and demand that you answer them one by one but who has time for all that nonsense?


42 posted on 12/02/2010 2:38:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: nando9
Erecting a tired out echo chamber for Mormon bashers every couple of days must get old at some point.

"Make the posters the issue, not the issues."

Link

As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]

How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church. Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?

If you REALLY want to know about mormonism..click here

43 posted on 12/02/2010 2:49:34 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: nando9
I will answer your “noob” comment.

This forum takes a level of trust among posters. We often have new posters with ulterior motives as well as retreads (banned posters with new screen name) come in and interact playing various games.

One of the signs of this is “aggressive” and focused on one subject initial posts, such as you have done here today. It may be all well and good and should be taken at face value that you have strong opinions and a jump right in with both feet approach, but the vast majority of the time we have found such posters fit into one of the two categories above.

So recent signers are treat with a bit o’ suspicion in such circumstances.

We also have had some recent bannings so there is a high awareness of possible retreads.

Hope that answered you question.

In return both as a favor and to give us a bit more on exactly where you are coming from, what is your Faith?

I am Methodist by practice.

44 posted on 12/02/2010 2:54:21 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: McBuff
One can ask a question criticze with a loving heart and one can ask a question criticize with derision in their heart.

Every time a mormon missionary or member utters the words "Great Apostasy" or "Restoration" they are deriding the Christianity of billions of people worldwide, and it's done every day by millions in every way, from knocking on a door to TV to radio to the internet.

IMO those that are concerned about the information posted here should think of that the next time.

45 posted on 12/02/2010 2:59:15 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: Safrguns

Thanks, Safrguns.


46 posted on 12/02/2010 3:02:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: Logophile; colorcountry; ejonesie22; svcw; reaganaut; MHGinTN; delacoert; Godzilla; Colofornian
Why did Jesus ascend into heaven after His resurrection? Would not His presence on Earth prove once for all that Christianity is truth?

If you weren't a mormon with the fallacious belief in the three-person mormon godhead, you wouldn't even have to ask that question.

Jesus is here with us every hour of every day. I'm sorry for you that you would feel the need to compare our Savior in such a blasphemous way.

47 posted on 12/02/2010 3:07:57 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: greyfoxx39

Good and very correct answer.


48 posted on 12/02/2010 3:14:58 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: nando9; Religion Moderator
Since you are new, you may not be aware of the rules for open threads on the Religion Forum. If you are offended by what you see, perhaps you should stick to the other forums or to the threads labeled "caucus" where prosletyzing is unquestioned.

Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected

Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.

On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”

When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”

Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

 Thin-skinned (emotional, whiney or mercurial temper) posters are the disruptors on open threads.

 

Note the reference to "thin skinned posters".

49 posted on 12/02/2010 3:17:25 PM PST by greyfoxx39 ("People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer)
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To: nando9
1. The observation of an outsider with “no dog in the fight” is less relevant than the fiercely held biases of the opinionated.

LOL, feeling left out? I would prefer at least intelligent input rather than the broad brush bleats you've posted.

2. Keeping people from learning about mormonism from mormons is preferable. Precisely how you would like others to learn about your faith, or professional skills, or political views, etc., I presume.

ROTFLAICGU. nando buddy, if you've followed any of these threads, 90% of the time the articles posted are from MORMON sources and sites. The comparison is like this nando, mormonism is like a car, the salesman makes his alluring pitch for the latest and greatest zoom 5000. Do you accept him at his word? Or do you check out consumer reports, car and driver, customer satisifaction sites, etc to see what those who do not have a vested interest in selling you that car have to say? So if an individual wants to examine mormon sources, they can at least do so in a more informed manner.

Secondly, it is like pulling hens teeth to get mormons to stand up and actually ellucidate what their doctrines are. If you follow threads, we often cite mormon doctrines to supliment what mormons claim to be doctrine. So to say that keeping knowledge of mormonism away from investigators just isn't borne out by facts - we use mormon source doctinal statement a lot.

3. Protecting agnostics from the danger of mormonism is less important than protecting anyone else from the same.

Not at all, the compare and contrast methods I generally use are more than suitable to inform an agnostic like you.

4. You are taking credit for people making highly personal decisions about their faith. On the internet.

I take no credit, just voicing the testimonies of those here who have gotten out of mormonism after being challenged here in FR.

If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever. [Naturally, I don’t really want an answer from you. This question is purely in satisfaction of my urge to ask something that I think is clever.]

Not very clever, but worthy of an answer just the same. Unfortunately, a full and complete answer would be the size of a book, and I'm not up to that level of detail right now. But specifically on the point of If god really wanted everyone to be christian he would have left jesus all resurrected and immortal on the earth forever and ever, Jesus' presence here in that fashion is not necessary for 'everyone' to become a Christian. Salvation is by faith nando, and the scriptures, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the facts and evidences of the truth of the gospel message and the touch of God on one's life are more than sufficient.

50 posted on 12/02/2010 3:31:16 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: nando9

NooB, really? You just signed up, that makes you a New Bee.


51 posted on 12/02/2010 3:32:56 PM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Atheists can come up with a thousand questions about the Bible and demand that you answer them one by one but who has time for all that nonsense?

Yep,an Christians stand up and provide answers to them. How 'bout standing up and answering just one of the list honestly and intelligently?

52 posted on 12/02/2010 3:33:40 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: nando9

“no dog in the fight” - now thats funny.
“no dog in the fight” - then why are you here?


53 posted on 12/02/2010 3:34:41 PM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

What part of the Bible do you love, as its not translated correctly?


54 posted on 12/02/2010 3:36:24 PM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

What part of the Bible do you love, as its not translated correctly?


55 posted on 12/02/2010 3:36:25 PM PST by svcw (If you put a crouton on a your sundae instead of a cherry, it counts as a salad.)
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To: McBuff; panzerkamphwageneinz; delacoert
Your Honor, Council is badgering the witness. . .

To some, even one question is "badgering."

Besides, when one of the 52,000 Mormon mishies comes to your door...you feel obligated to answer the doorbell or knock.

When someone posts an article on a Web site, who says you have to...
...Open it...?
...Even if you open it...
...Respond?

Christianity is proved by the life, not the lip. . .

Does that equate to silence? Or does the lip and the hands on a keyboard actually have a function? Did Jesus "error" when He "lipped off" to the legalists of His earthly era -- the Pharisees?

If we show more love we would be more persuasive for Christ.

Well, of course. Captain Obvious, eh? Who's going to argue with that?

Of course, the unspoken Q is: How do you define love?

When parents dealing with a rebellious teen into sex & substance abuse is sent away to a boarding school that is geared to addressed that, is that the "loving" thing to do? Perhaps. Perhaps not, depending in part upon the school.

My point is that "love" also includes "tough love." And sometimes...sometimes...we love people with the truth!

"Love...rejoices in the truth" (1 Cor. 13:6)

Sometimes I wish the mushy sentimental lovey types (& I'm not saying you're one -- 'cause I don't know you) would expand their understanding of "love."

56 posted on 12/02/2010 3:49:20 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Did you ask God to reveal to you that it contains all of God’s message to man and that parts are not lost or altered and that the Book of Mormon is false?

57 posted on 12/02/2010 3:56:15 PM PST by delacoert
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To: dmz; Godzilla; nando9; MHGinTN
There is a ‘preaching to the choir and enjoying the acccolades from doing so’ that pervades these threads as well...

#1...if a church knew that everybody at a given service was saved by the Gospel being embraced, it wouldn't mean that it would stop preaching the Gospel. "Preaching to the choir," therefore is such a worn-out trite phrase that doesn't apply to the Christianity you disbelieve in. (The gospel is for believers and unbelievers alike.)

#2...as for "enjoying the accolades" -- that requires some level of knowledge that you know who's "enjoying" what -- and for someone who's into boasting what and who you don't know as much as you do ("From my deeply held agnostic standpoint"), it sure seems rather strange that you're able to bound from God-agnostic to Freeper-insider sophisticate just like that!

I mean what? Is that Magic-8 ball workin' for you as to how you know which FReeper is internally "enjoying" what?

From my deeply held agnostic standpoint, there seems to be a bit more to it than evangelism.

Let me get this straight. You go around boasting about your ignorance...agnostic is simply Greek for "ignorant" -- from the Greek word, agnôstos...And yet suddenly you're not so "ignorant" of Freeper-strangers whom either you don't know or barely know? Really? Sounds to me on a scale of 1 to 10 re: your "ignorance" level of some FREEPERS, you present yourself as a "6" or higher level ("10" = omniscience).

So are you a "soft-core" agnostic -- you don't know? Or a "hard-core" agnostic -- you don't believe anybody can know?

58 posted on 12/02/2010 4:05:38 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: nando9; Safrguns; Godzilla
Sorry for assuming, but it sure seems like it’s more about the posters’ own egos than helping any poor deluded Mormons.

Assumption apology accepted.

59 posted on 12/02/2010 4:11:39 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Colofornian
If we show more love we would be more persuasive for Christ.

I always wonder about this "love" talk. Jesus used a whip to drive out money changers, John the Baptist called the queen out, standing at the castle........really what is more loving than to work to rescue a person from a cult or to leave them there so they wont be offended. Sometimes the Word of God is offensive to the sinner.

60 posted on 12/02/2010 4:34:00 PM PST by svcw
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