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Bobo's World ^

Posted on 12/09/2010 8:20:52 AM PST by restornu

November 7 - 13, 2005.




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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"Where have all the flowers MORMONs gone...?
101 posted on 12/10/2010 2:22:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: Elsie

“Where have all the ... MORMONs gone...?

They’ve been here, called names, posted links, shared feelings, made wild, unsupported claims of truth...

What else is there you want them to do?!

Ah, truth. Hmmmmmmmm... You aren’t, by any chance, holding your breath, are you?


102 posted on 12/10/2010 2:42:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: restornu

Be sure and let us know when one of these criminals is revered as a “Prophet, Seer and Revelator” in the manner of child-molesting Joseph Smith. I’m sure you will keep up with them.


103 posted on 12/10/2010 3:58:18 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama’s talking trash and carrying a broken stic)
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To: Alex Murphy; restornu

FARMINGTON — Todd Mortensen, the former foster father facing charges of criminal sexual penetration against a foster daughter, continued his foster role after having more than 80 counts of sex-crime charges dropped in 2005 and despite being licensed as a foster care worker with the state Children, Youth and Families Department in 1994, a Daily Times investigation found.

Mortensen, 45, confessed April 1 to six counts of criminal sexual contact against a 12-year-old girl living in his home as a foster daughter. Two counts of criminal sexual penetration against the same girl were added to the list of charges April 5.

Multiple sources confirm Mortensen and his wife, Lisa, fostered as many as 50 children during the last two decades. Six children were placed in the home by CYFD while they maintained a Family Foster Home license from June 1991 through April 1994, according to CYFD records. The remaining children, including the victim who claimed Mortensen sexually abused her in 2004 and the victim of the recent charges, were fostered privately outside the state's scrutiny.
Outside the system

The 12-year-old girl and two additional foster girls were removed by CYFD when Mortensen was arrested April 1. A Sheriff's investigation revealed they were placed privately in the Mortensen home by the girls' adopted families. CYFD has no record of the girls being placed through the state system, CYFD spokeswoman Romaine Serna said.

The Mortensens went outside the scope of the state agency to foster children, a decision that is not illegal, Serna said. Many foster or adoptive parents go through private or religious agencies that place children.

The Mortensens, who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, did not go through the church system, but may have used community connections within the church to offer assistance to other families.

Link

104 posted on 12/10/2010 4:11:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama’s talking trash and carrying a broken stic)
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To: greyfoxx39

Oh, snap!


105 posted on 12/10/2010 4:18:16 PM PST by svcw
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To: restornu

Someone should make a list of all the school teacher-predators who have sexually abused children. That list would be hundreds of thousands.


106 posted on 12/10/2010 4:23:18 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: restornu
What a list Resty, absolutely disgusting.

I do have to say, however that only Mohammed and FLDS/LDS Prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Yound taught this as doctrine however.

I know of no Christian denominations that preach polygamy for the sexual exploitation of youth, or that taught that Christ was a polygamist.

107 posted on 12/10/2010 4:34:43 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: restornu; narses

Thanks!!!


108 posted on 12/10/2010 4:36:26 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Clearly you miss the point. The church claims to be good and these priests are suppose to do good. Instead they do evil.


109 posted on 12/10/2010 4:38:48 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: restornu
Looks like "cover fire" to me....

I thought Bobo was a clown, or a monkey?

BTW....when you throw that Scripture..."Thee without "sin" throw the first stones...etc..." you reveal that you don't understand the Scriptures very well.

110 posted on 12/10/2010 6:19:06 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: mad_as_he$$; Judith Anne; rkjohn; PadreL; Morpheus2009; saveliberty; fabrizio; Civitas2010; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

‘Passing the trash’


Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


111 posted on 12/10/2010 6:48:14 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Elsie

Cool vid, thanks!


112 posted on 12/10/2010 6:50:33 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
They are just human, just like the rest of us, no better, no worse.

If they are on a pedestal, it's only because you put them there, not me.

113 posted on 12/10/2010 7:35:00 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: GCC Catholic
The seminarian knows that he is giving up something good - marriage and a family - for something that is also good - serving God and His Church.

During the era when the Roman rite mandated clerical celibacy (other rites -- and there are dozens, I think, do not.) the Jews had a contrasting practice. When a bright young man with pastoral gifts was asked to become a rabbi, the community also tried to find a bright young wife for him, taking up a collection for the dowry if necessary. The pastoral couple was then encouraged to have lots of bright young children.

The Catholics were content to squeeze one lifetime of service from each cleric. The Jews accepted reduced output for the current generation in exchange for expanded influence in generations to come.

"Jesus saves. Moses invests."

A missionary pastor sojourning in our church was going back to the field in a different European country. Said an opinionated member of this church to this husband and father of six girls, "Your family will be more than half of your ministry, on a continent where the Spaniards are not having little Spaniards, the Germans are not having little Germans, and the Italians are not having little Italians." Five years later, this has indeed proven to be the case. Most of the members of the church they started in their neighborhood were met through family-centric activities.

Celibacy is named after the earth goddess Celebe, whose priests castrated themselves during the hilarion, the "festival of joy." They believed that the sacrifice of their fertility made possible the fertility of the fields. The default setting for maximum human happiness and productivity is -- the normal family. I appreciate your sense of vocation -- but have you looked into non-Roman rites?

114 posted on 12/11/2010 12:03:09 AM PST by RJR_fan (The press corpse is going through the final stages of Hopium withdrawal. That leg tingle is urine.)
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To: RJR_fan
 
Celibacy is named after the earth goddess Celebe, whose priests castrated themselves during the hilarion, the "festival of joy."
 
 
OUCH!!
 

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 

115 posted on 12/11/2010 4:20:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I didn't put them there. I have no dog in this fight other than I maintain the church by it's nature does evil things. My point is that your deflection argument is invalid.
116 posted on 12/11/2010 5:25:08 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; TexasFreeper2009

Nope. Texas is spot on.


117 posted on 12/11/2010 5:56:58 AM PST by svcw
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To: svcw
LOL the strawman argument? Please. Atheist DO NOT claim to be a force for good and that they are the sole authority for their point of view. Nonsense to claim otherwise. When you appoint yourself as the moral authority ABND claim to be the voice of God, then running committing evil is hypocritical at best and down right evil at worst.
118 posted on 12/11/2010 6:10:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; TexasFreeper2009
Huh. In all the years of attending church I have never once heard any member say they are a force for good. I have heard them say there is none that is good but Christ. I have heard them say they are sinners Saved by Grace and each day they strive to do the best they can in those circumstances. I have never heard anyone say they speak for God. I have heard them say they study the Word. I have never heard anyone say they had moral authority. I have heard them say they are trying to live moral lives as they believe is to be lived.
As an atheist with “no dog in the fight” you are sure agitated by these discussions.
119 posted on 12/11/2010 6:15:32 AM PST by svcw
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To: svcw
Typical Catholic dogma. Do you have a reading disorder? I NEVER said I was an atheist. The Catholic Church claims to be infallible (Google that if you never heard it). They also claim that their Bible is the ONLY valid holy book as guided by God. It is there intellectually dishonest to claim when a priest does something wrong that they are “just human”. You cannot have it both ways.
120 posted on 12/11/2010 6:38:56 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: Vigilanteman

The ban on marriage was codified near the end of the first millennium AD. In the 11th century it was established that marriage was not allowed for the clergy. In the Lateran Councils of the 12th century it was ruled that clergy who illicitly got married were not married, that they could not receive the sacrament of marriage validly.

I don’t know if you realize that Cardinal Wolsey never married, but did have two children out of wedlock.


121 posted on 12/11/2010 6:52:27 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Well, I am not Catholic. And people are sinners.


122 posted on 12/11/2010 7:03:00 AM PST by svcw
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To: mad_as_he$$

‘The Catholic Church claims to be infallible’

In the way you have stated it, this is not true. The Church makes no claim of never failing.


123 posted on 12/11/2010 7:08:47 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Proof of the Church’s infallibility
That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant Reformation.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm


124 posted on 12/11/2010 7:17:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Hell did you even read the link you posted? LCS is correct.


125 posted on 12/11/2010 7:24:52 AM PST by svcw
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To: mad_as_he$$

‘That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma’

That is true, in certain limited circumstances, but it is not what you said originally.


126 posted on 12/11/2010 8:02:04 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: RJR_fan
During the era when the Roman rite mandated clerical celibacy (other rites -- and there are dozens, I think, do not.) the Jews had a contrasting practice. When a bright young man with pastoral gifts was asked to become a rabbi, the community also tried to find a bright young wife for him, taking up a collection for the dowry if necessary. The pastoral couple was then encouraged to have lots of bright young children.

I knew that Rabbis were expected to be married (which is one of the lesser-known ways that Jesus was a counter-cultural figure), but I didn't realize that the community would go to such lengths to find a wife for him. This is a very beautiful tradition - but one utterly foreign to Latin Rite Catholicism even from its earliest days.

A missionary pastor sojourning [...] Most of the members of the church they started in their neighborhood were met through family-centric activities.

The Catholic priest does the same thing... but he does not do it through his natural children, he does it through his spiritual children. Indeed, part of the particular role of the Laity is to assist the priest and bishop in the work of evangelization by reaching out to people who the clergy are unable to reach directly. And not having a natural family allows the priest to give his complete attention to his ministry.

Celibacy is named after the earth goddess Celebe, whose priests castrated themselves during the hilarion, the "festival of joy." They believed that the sacrifice of their fertility made possible the fertility of the fields.

Perhaps so; however, Jesus Himself says that "there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]" (cf. Matthew 19:12 KJV). Certainly, Jesus was not speaking of literally mutilating oneself and becoming a eunuch - rather He spoke of renouncing marriage for the sake of the Kingdom. Thus the concept is not foreign to Christianity in general - East or West.

The default setting for maximum human happiness and productivity is -- the normal family.

Speaking now from a purely psychological perspective - the default setting for maximum human happiness is what was termed by the psychologist Erikson as "generativity" - contributing to the welfare of the next and future generations. Often this is accomplished through marriage and children, though not exclusively. The priest accomplishes it by providing for the welfare of his spiritual children. Incidentally, it is exactly because of this that priests who work in chancery offices are also assigned to some sort of pastoral ministry - it allows for this generativity.

have you looked into non-Roman rites?

I find the Eastern rites interesting and beautiful - but haven't considered switching to one of them. On a practical level, switching between rites in the Catholic Church is a complicated process. On a personal one, based on my own experiences and spirituality, I am quite certain that I belong in the Latin Rite.

127 posted on 12/11/2010 9:23:00 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The Church's claim on infallibility is limited to matters of faith and morals, and even then, only under certain conditions.

Outside of those particular conditions, there is no claim that any one person is infallible. And certainly, there is no claim at all that any clergy or laity are without sin - there have been many sinful priests, bishops, and popes (to the shame of Christ and His Church) just as there have been many holy ones.

This has been going on since the beginning of the Church: even Jesus chose a Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him, a Simon Peter who denied Him, a Thomas who doubted that He was resurrected - and the other nine weren't without their own shortcomings either.

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But Jesus preached a message of repentance and mercy: Jesus forgave Peter's denial and restored him to the position of feeding His flock; Thomas went on to preach Christ Crucified and Resurrected in India and was martyred for the Faith, and the others went on to preach the Gospel as well. The opportunity is there for people to become great Saints - we simply don't always take it.

128 posted on 12/11/2010 9:49:42 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: restornu
Hey, resty...do you think your post made a lot of FRiends amongst the FR Christians, especially among the Catholics?

When one decides to throw dung, one SHOULD try and hit the intended target.

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129 posted on 12/11/2010 9:52:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama’s talking trash and carrying a broken stic)
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To: greyfoxx39

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130 posted on 12/11/2010 10:29:40 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: greyfoxx39
Hey, resty...do you think your post made a lot of FRiends amongst the FR Christians, especially among the Catholics?

You Hateful, bigotted ANTIs just don't GET it; do you!?

When the C's & the P's fight; they leave us MORMONs alone!

--MormonDude(Learn a little TACTICs; why don't you!!!!)

131 posted on 12/11/2010 10:50:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: GCC Catholic

This wasn’t about Catholic or even the mainstream it was to remind the anti LDS to stop throwing stones you rememeber that saying

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

or what Jesus said

He who is without sin cast the first stone...


132 posted on 12/11/2010 10:52:22 AM PST by restornu (Doubt and fear is not of the Lord)
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To: greyfoxx39
When one decides to throw dung, one SHOULD try and hit the intended target.

This reminds me of that great Chinese philosopher, who wrote the reknowned book: Brown Spots on the Wall, by Who Flung Poo

133 posted on 12/11/2010 10:53:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: restornu
He who is without sin cast the first stone...


134 posted on 12/11/2010 10:58:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: svcw
Interesting that you give dates and names yet the information is considered innuendo by lds members.

This is common practice among Mormon apologists here. Chapter after chapter, verse after verse from their own literature and teachings and yet citing it some how makes the "citer" a hater and a bigot.

I could understand the charges of hate and bigotry if anti mormonism posters were pulling statements out of thin air.

135 posted on 12/11/2010 11:32:45 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: restornu; Religion Moderator
it was to remind the anti LDS to stop

Exactly. One would have to be deaf and blind to think that posting reams of allegations against Christians would possibly wash the stain of Joseph Smith from the world, along with his accomplices in the practice of polygamy.

NONE OF THESE YOU NOTED ARE CONSIDERED A "MARTYR" OR A "PROPHET", nor are idolized by brainwashed innocents and compared to Jesus Christ.

Those who rant against the "antis" and the Religion Moderator for the facts of mormonism being shown on FR seem to be unable to accept the fact that we are all fallible, but thanks to Christ, those who accept Him are saved. Joseph Smith never saved anyone, nor will he ever.

Once again, you are our "Player of the Week".


136 posted on 12/11/2010 11:50:35 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama’s talking trash and carrying a broken stic)
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To: greyfoxx39

Congratulations Resty!!!


137 posted on 12/11/2010 1:03:11 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie
Hmmm. From the RSV:

Galatians 5
12 I wish those who unsettle you would mutilate themselves!

138 posted on 12/11/2010 3:30:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: restornu; aMorePerfectUnion; greyfoxx39; GCC Catholic; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; mad_as_he$$; svcw; ..
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. or what Jesus said He who is without sin cast the first stone... [Restornu, poster of this thread]

By all means, Resty, let's REALLY pray for the victims & perps mentioned in this thread -- the many criminal culprits, the scandal jumpstarters, & if there's a few innocent among them falsely accused, them as well.

Here's, though, what I find interesting.

If any of you go to this thread posted today -- Diary of LDS apostle includes tales of bribing a Supreme Court justice...
...Here's the MAJOR difference between the corrupt (largely Christian) church leaders Resty has posted about --
--And the Mormon church leaders mentioned in the 1890s in the thread I've just linked to:

In that thread, it discusses how the highest Lds hierarchical church leaders were engaged in illegal polygamy, bribery of a Supreme Court justice, embezzlements, "chicanery," and cover-up of these crimes by its members of its top 15 leaders (what they call their "quorum").

So...do past or contemporary Mormons treat these men as scandalous corrupt leaders? Or are they almost "heroes" of their faith -- men who "stood up" to the govt. "imposing" upon "religious freedom"?

Answer? The Mormons tend to treat them as in the latter category!

You see Resty...when a Christian leader has been arrested w/enough evidence (& usually eventually convicted), do I rush in to defend them? (No)

How does that compare to Mormon criminals & frauds & the like? (What I've observed on these threads is how Mormon FREEPERS will suddenly become the perp's advocate!)

Historically, the Christian church has indeed been full of wheat & tares...& the tares have included:
* Inside heretics & errorists;
* Schism-kings;
* Scandal-mongers;
* Admin Abusers;
* People abusers;
* Violence-mongers, etc.

95-99% of those so accused (depending upon which era of history you're talking about) haven't been worth defending -- nor were most (or almost all) to be regarded as "heroes" of the faith.

Yet look at Lds "apostle" Abraham Cannon:

From the column posted @ above link: The diaries reveal how federal attorneys were routinely bribed through third parties. Church leaders spent considerable energies covering up the crime of an embezzler because that man — sympathetic to the church — was in a position to be a receiver of assets the church needed. In fact, Cannon records entries where the apostles were counseled to “keep secrets” from their enemies.... Cannon’s diary entry of Dec. 17, 1892, records that at the apostles’ meeting “… the brethren were told that our success in the Church suits was in a great measure due to the fact that we have a partner of Justice {Stephen J.} Field of the Supreme Court of the United States in our employ, who is to receive a percentage of the money if the suits go in our favor, and the property is returned to us.”...Justice Field was not the only person of influence tempted by the church.

So here's the challenge Resty: I repudiate the criminals mentioned in this source you posted.
Furthermore, I challenge you to do the same ... starting with Lds "apostle" Abraham Cannon. Do you repudiate Lds "apostle" Abraham Cannon for his bribery & other chicanery -- & his fellow "apostles" & First Presidents -- for what they did in the 1880s & 1890s?

By all means, take the time to investigate.
* You already know they were illegal polygamists.
* Cannon's diary admits they had a Supreme Court justice on the payroll.
* His diaries show fed attorneys were routinely bribed by third parties representing the Mormon hierarchically quorum.
(So really, what's left to investigate that Cannon has not already "confessed" via his own hand?)

Therefore, my challenge will not go away.

I will remind you of it over & over again until you respond in a manner that doesn't sluff it off.

139 posted on 12/11/2010 4:17:59 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
But, but, but i have seen many a Catholic on FR claim that the LDS is a cult - not a religion.

I understand you challenged Resty but I will openly and freely denounce the sins (if they are real) in your post committed by Mormon leaders.

140 posted on 12/11/2010 5:20:33 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

It the Mormon jesus and Mormon god were not so radically different from the Judeo-Christian God and Christian Jesus, you could call the LDS a cult. But the astonishing identity of the Momron god as once a man who had to gain the attributes of godhood, and the Mormon teaching that their jesus and satan are spirit brothers and the jesus of Mormonism was a polygamist, well, the LDS is a different religion despite their deceitful use of Christ’s name in their title.


141 posted on 12/11/2010 5:40:39 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Colofornian
Dear Colofornian,

Please remove me from your ping list.

Thank you,


sitetest

142 posted on 12/11/2010 6:32:58 PM PST by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
My sincere thanks for the info.

With all the raving moonbats which haunt these threads, it is tough to get straight data.

Yes, I am aware that Cardinal Wolsey had two children, a son and a daughter. I was not aware that they were born out of wedlock or that his marriage (or lack thereof) was never sanctioned by the church.

You are probably aware that his century or so later counterpart Cardinal Richelieu in France had a reputation for being a Lothario type and was heavily involved in the political intrigue surrounding the court of Louis XIV.

Wolsey, on the other hand, greatly regretted his involvement in the political intrigue surrounding the court of Henry VIII and devoted his final days trying his best to serve God and his fellow man. That, of course, doesn't make him some kind of a saint, but more of a tragic figure who at least realized where he went wrong and tried to get back on the right path.

143 posted on 12/11/2010 7:21:22 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

On the other hand, his successor as Chancellor, Sir Thomas More, had even larger problems.


144 posted on 12/11/2010 8:48:56 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Vigilanteman

Also I apologize if my airing of your umteen times great grandfather’s ‘dirty linen’ annoys you, but it is in Wiki’s biography of him.


145 posted on 12/11/2010 8:56:59 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: greyfoxx39; Religion Moderator

Once again you take things out of context, as well as distort and are making this personal!


146 posted on 12/11/2010 10:53:15 PM PST by restornu (Doubt and fear is not of the Lord)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Vigilanteman

But Wiki is not always reliable and the edit tool allows the whims of men to swing...


147 posted on 12/11/2010 10:59:28 PM PST by restornu (Doubt and fear is not of the Lord)
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To: restornu
Oh Resty, if you are going to go for a romp in the cow field at least take your shoes off before traipsing through the house...
148 posted on 12/12/2010 2:19:30 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu
Once again you take things out of context, as well as distort and are making this personal!

Oh??

Just WHAT is...

1. Out of Context
2. Distorted
3. Personal?


We await your lack of response...

149 posted on 12/12/2010 1:48:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: restornu
But Wiki is not always reliable and the edit tool allows the whims of men to swing...

(Ya just GOTTA love the setup lines I get!)


 
 

2 Nephi 3:12 Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins write; and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together,

2 Nephi 3:18 And the Lord said unto me also: I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.

Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 27   Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 31    Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together

Diaboli virtus in lumbas est.          Diaboli virtus in lumbas est.

150 posted on 12/12/2010 1:51:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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