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Joseph Smith: a witness of Christ [LDS Open - Merry Smithmas!]
Mormontimes.com ^ | Dec 18, 2010 | R. Scott Lloyd

Posted on 12/20/2010 8:46:50 AM PST by T Minus Four

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To: Normandy

C’mon Normandy, just name one single “truth” missing from the bible, necessary for salvation. Just one.


101 posted on 12/20/2010 3:02:00 PM PST by T Minus Four (Duh. We were talking about in the old days or not-so-distant old days)
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To: T Minus Four

Zipped through the Mormonism Research Ministry website and it is just terrific in delivering information directly and concisely.

 
Thought this was interesting:

Eight Mormon Myths

By Bill McKeever

Listen

Myth #1: The Mormon Church is the fastest growing religion in the world.

The sheer number of adherents to Catholicism and Islam make them far and away the fastest growing religions in the world by birthrate alone.

Myth #2: The LDS Church doesn't have a paid ministry.

All General Authorities serving the LDS Church in Salt Lake City are offered a living allowance for their full-time service. While it is true that those who minister in the LDS Church on a local level (such as the bishop) are not remunerated, Doctrine and Covenants 42:71-73 says they should be.

Myth #3: Reading the Book of Mormon will tell you all about Mormon doctrine.

The Book of Mormon fails to teach the unique doctrine Latter-day Saints feel is necessary to believe and practice in order to become Gods.

Myth #4: All of Joseph Smith's prophecies came to pass.

If that was true Jesus would have returned in 1891 (Documentary History of the Church (DHC) 2:182), The Civil War would have poured out upon all nations (D&C 87:1-3), the wicked of Smith's generation would have been "swept from off the face of the land" (DHC 1:315), and a temple would have been built in Independence Missouri by the generation living in 1832 (D&C 84:4,5).

Myth #5: Brigham Young never taught Adam was God.

Not only did Brigham Young teach that Adam was Michael the Archangel, the Ancient of Days; he also taught that Adam was "our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." He finished this message by saying, "Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation" (Journal of Discourses 1:50,51). Notice Young called this teaching a "doctrine," not a "theory" as most Mormons like to refer to it today.

Myth #6: The Book of Mormon has been proven by archaeology.

To date, nothing has been found to verify Book of Mormon sites. In fact, many within the Mormon Church are beginning to abandon the idea that the Book of Mormon is a book of verifiable history. No credible archaeologist outside of the Mormon Church considers the book to have any New World archaeological value.

Myth #7: Polygamy was necessary in early Utah because there were more women than men.

The fact is, there were more men than women in early Utah when polygamy was being practiced. Mormon Apostle John Widtsoe wrote on pages 390-391 of his book entitled Evidences and Reconciliations,

"The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more females than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church... The theory that plural marriage was a consequence of a surplus of female Church members fails from lack of evidence."

Myth #8: Joseph Smith died as a "lamb led to the slaughter."

The fact is, Joseph Smith died in a gun battle*using a pistol that was smuggled to him while incarcerated at Carthage jail. According to The Documentary History of the Church (published six years after the fact), Joseph Smith pulled this six-shooter from his pocket "and snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died" (John Taylor, vol. 7, pp. 102-103).

*Some Mormons have objected to the use of the term "gun battle." A "battle" can be a fight between as few as two persons. Add a gun and you have a gun battle. Journalists have seen no problem using this phrase to descibe all sorts of armed conflict be it large or small.


102 posted on 12/20/2010 3:02:36 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Vendome; Saundra Duffy

My new tagline. I got tired of Sandy’s old quote.

Courtesy ping to Saundra “The Destroyer” Duffy


103 posted on 12/20/2010 3:05:42 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four
Courtesy ping to Saundra “The Destroyer” Duffy

I think she said she never wanted to play any more...


 
 
 

Welcome to MORMONism 101!

While we are waiting to start; enjoy the artwork on our walls.
If some of it seems shifty to you, just look at it real close and it will stop moving,
but another location will then start to crawl on you.

Do NOT think our DOCTRINE is this way!

104 posted on 12/20/2010 3:07:16 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie

She said that. But I notice she didn’t have her screen name pulled.


105 posted on 12/20/2010 3:08:57 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four

 

And then I found this very interesting:

LDS and RLDS (Community of Christ): Differences & Similarities

By Bill McKeever

In 1844, Joseph Smith, prophet and seer and revelator of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, met an untimely death when he was killed in a gun battle at Carthage Jail in Carthage, Illinois. His early demise left the fledgling church with a political power struggle. Although numerous splinter groups were formed, a large number of Latter-day Saints decided to pledge their allegiance to Brigham Young. In doing so, Young led his followers to the Salt Lake Valley in what is today known as the state of Utah. Today, the LDS Church is the largest of the Latter-day Saint movements.

Joseph Smith's widow, Emma Smith, chose to remain behind with her three children. Many of those who refused to follow Young felt that a descendant of Joseph Smith must become his successor. In June 1852, the "New Organization of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" held its first conference. Though encouraged to become the head of the church, Joseph Smith III, the oldest of Emma's three sons, refused to do so until 1860 when The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS) was formed. He held this position for 54 years. For much of its history the RLDS chose a leader who was related to Joseph Smith (The LDS typically choose the senior member of the Council of the Twelve when there is a vacancy). In 1996 this tradition was broken when W. Grant McMurray became the first president who had no relationship with the Smith family. Under the leadership of McMurray, the name of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was officially changed to the Community of Christ (CofC) at its World Conference in 2000.

Members who belong to the LDS Church in Utah often refer to themselves as being Mormons, an early nickname attributed to the followers of Joseph Smith. Members of the CofC prefer not to be called by this title.

Both groups accept the Book of Mormon as part of its scripture; however, the LDS Church has made numerous "corrections" to their edition which have not been included in the CofC edition.

The LDS Church considers the following four books to be scripture: the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. The CofC has never recognized the Pearl of Great Price and insists that the Book of Abraham contradicts teachings found in the Bible and Book of Mormon.

The LDS Church teaches that God is a glorified, exalted human being and that there was a time in history when God was not God. The CofC espuses a deity who was eternally God and "independent of any external or prior cause" (Some Differences Between the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pg.1).

The LDS Church teaches that there is a myriad of Gods on various worlds. The LDS Godhead is tri-theistic, or composed of three separate and distinct Gods, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. According to its official website, the CofC states, "We affirm the Trinity - God who is a community of three person. All things that exist owe their being to God: mystery beyond understanding and love beyond imagination. This God alone is worthy of our worship."

Both groups believe men will be judged according to their works.

Both groups hold to baptismal regeneration.

Both groups believe in an open canon and "present-day revelation."

Whereas only males can hold priesthood authority in the LDS Church, the CofC authorized the ordination of women to the priesthood in 1984.

The LDS Church claims that men are Gods in embryo and that righteous Mormons can become Gods in the next life. The CofC does not teach that men can become Gods.

Utah Mormons believe that in order to become a God, the faithful member must participate in esoteric temple "endowment" ceremonies.  The Mormons only allow "worthy" members to enter their temples and participate in its rituals. The CofC owns two buildings called temples (Kirtland, OH and Independence, MO), and both are open to the public. The CofC "rejects the whole system of temple rituals, secret names, signs, oaths, and handshakes which the Church in Utah proclaims are essential to the ultimate salvation of man" (Fundamental Differences, 1960, pg. 230).

Utah Mormonism teaches that marriages performed in LDS temples can continue after death. The CofC teaches that marriage relationships pertain only to mortal life.

The CofC utilizes the symbol of the cross on its buildings, whereas the LDS Church has refused to use this symbol.

During the 19th century, the LDS Church in Utah strongly emphasized the practice of plural marriage as a requirement for exaltation. Although this requirement was officially abolished in 1890 (as a condition for Utah statehood), it is still taught that polygamy will be practiced in the hereafter. "Obviously the holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium" (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce McConkie, pg. 522,523). The CofC has always denounced polygamy although it does not deny that it was practiced. For instance, Robert B. Flanders, on page 209 of his book titled, Nauvoo: Kingdom on the Mississippi, wrote, "The Nauvoo Temple was the focus of religious innovations which revolutionized Mormonism. Ordinances for the dead, as well as novel and secret ordinances for the living, including marriage for eternity, plural marriage, and other extraordinary familial arrangements, were introduced by Smith and Young in Nauvoo for temple observance."

The LDS Church teaches that deceased persons can embrace Mormonism in the spirit world through "baptism for the dead." The CofC has never condoned such a teaching and does not practice baptism for the dead.

Until 1978, the LDS Church taught that the "Seed of Cain," those of African heritage, could not hold the Mormon priesthood since such people were not valiant enough for the cause of Christ when Lucifer rebelled against God in the "pre-existence." The CofC has never held such a view although Joseph Smith III claimed to have received a revelation which warned his Church to "not be hasty in ordaining men of the Negro race to offices in my church" since "all are not acceptable unto me as servants ..." (Reorganized Doctrine and Covenants 116:4.)

The LDS Church interprets the tithe as 1/10 of one's income, whereas the CofC bases the tithe on 1/10 of one's increase.

Both the LDS and CofC claimed God ordained their organization as the true restoration of fallen Christianity. The LDS Church continues to insist that it alone represents "the only true church" and more closely emulates primitive Christianity. The CofC has come to abandon this notion: "A majority of committee members held that this vision of the nature of the church was inadequate for the church of the present day. It does not conform to our best present understanding of the nature of God as revealed in the gospel of Christ, nor does it allow us to account for the fact that we continually experience the reality of authentic Christian discipleship in people from other traditions. Moreover, our past understanding of earliest Christianity has proved to be historically deficient: there is simply no evidence that a church existed in the first century that looked like ours. Therefore, the belief that we are the restoration of the primitive form of Christianity can no longer be sustained."


106 posted on 12/20/2010 3:14:25 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: T Minus Four

I think you are equivocating but that’s just me. /s


107 posted on 12/20/2010 3:16:11 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Vendome

I saw that, very interesting. It seems that the LDS church as we know it is a twisted side branch, even on that dead tree.


108 posted on 12/20/2010 3:16:26 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four

Well, what I find interesting is a branch of the original LDS Church, whose progeny started with Joseph Smith, has come closer to traditional Christianity and has very different or discarded tenets.


109 posted on 12/20/2010 3:19:08 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Vendome

:-)


110 posted on 12/20/2010 3:19:54 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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110


111 posted on 12/20/2010 3:20:10 PM PST by svcw
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To: Vendome

Interesting indeed.


112 posted on 12/20/2010 3:21:38 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four

Hi TMF,

Check this link out for an explanation about what was lost, and what was restored:

http://www.mormon.org/restoration/


113 posted on 12/20/2010 3:22:51 PM PST by Normandy
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To: Normandy
C’mon Normandy, just name one single “truth” missing from the bible, necessary for salvation. Just one.

I'll give you a hint: there isn't one.

114 posted on 12/20/2010 3:23:07 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Normandy; Paragon Defender

Oh PLEASE! Don’t you even know? Are you Paragon Defebder, no idea what you bleeive, just an empty list of links?


115 posted on 12/20/2010 3:24:49 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four

I can’t facepalm and spell at the same time


116 posted on 12/20/2010 3:25:19 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Normandy

OK, That’s all just very lovely. But here’s the deal. I am saved. By the grace of Jesus Christ alone, I am an adopted child of God and I am going to the one and only heaven when I die. The bible tells me so.

Am I wrong? What have I missed?


117 posted on 12/20/2010 3:29:41 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: Normandy

OK, I actually went through that. What did I miss?


118 posted on 12/20/2010 3:34:55 PM PST by T Minus Four ("vital truths ...were ... restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: T Minus Four; All

Oh PLEASE! Don’t you even know? Are you Paragon Defebder, no idea what you bleeive, just an empty list of links?


Lurker don’t believe what the anti-Mormon gang wants you to believe, that these links are empty. Far from it. They are full of truth.

Read ALL of their “issues” then check out my links. Find out for yourself. You want the truth right?


119 posted on 12/20/2010 3:39:37 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

You mean the links to unofficial and non affiliated lds sites, those links?


120 posted on 12/20/2010 3:44:33 PM PST by svcw
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