Skip to comments.Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad
Posted on 12/26/2010 8:41:08 AM PST by Colofornian
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* "Modern Mohammedanism has its Mecca at Salt Lake... Clearly the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, so closely followed as to exclude even the poor pretension of originality in his foul 'revelations.' " (The Women of Mormonism, Frances E. Willard, 1882, Introduction, p. xvi)
* "The student of Mormonism will be struck with the similarity of experience and claims of Joseph Smith and Mohammed." (The Rocky Mountain Saints, T. B. H. Stenhouse 1873, p 2)
* "even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" Gal 1:8
1. The followers of Muhammad and Joseph Smith both killed innocent "infidel" on the same date of 9/11. On September 11, 1857, Mormon militia massacred about 140 men, women and children under the authority of Brigham Young. However 17 very young children were spared and adopted into Mormon families. They were in fact sold to the highest Mormon family bidder and resold and traded many times afterwords. This event is called "The Mountain Meadows" massacre. Mormon leaders engaged in a deliberate rewriting of history to deny they were behind the murders. On September 11, 2001 Muhammad's followers, using the Koran as a guide, sent two airplanes into the World Trade Center killing 3000 innocent men, women and children. Muslims today have a PhD in rewriting history and preach in the mosques that Jews were actually driving the planes, not Muslim terrorists.
2. Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel. Galatians 1:6-9 says, "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed."
3. Both were given visions.
4. Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth. In the published account of his life, Joseph Smith related that he became very disturbed when he was a youth because of the "strife among the different denominations," and this "cry and tumult" led him to ask God "which of all the sects were right and which I should join." He was told that he must "join none of them, for they were all wrong... that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt..." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:8-19) N. J. Dawood says that Mohammed was also concerned with the fact that the Jews and Christians had "divided themselves into schismatic sects." In the scriptures given by Mohammed, we read: "Yet the Sects are divided concerning Jesus.... Truly, the unbelievers are in the grossest error." (The Koran, translated by N. J. Dawood, Surah 19, p. 34) In Surah 30, page 190, this warning appears: "Do not split up your religion into sects, each exulting in its own beliefs." In Surah 3, page 398, we read: "The only true faith in Allah's sight is Islam. Those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., Jews and Christians] were given disagreed among themselves through jealousy only after knowledge had been given them."
5. Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. Islam makes claim that Adam and Abraham were Muslims, a claim that is as ridiculous as it is undocumented from either history or archaeology. Mormons make the unsubstantiated claim that the church in the first century were Mormon.
6. Both wrote a book inspired by God.
7. Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?" Joseph Smith is claimed to have only grade three education.
8. Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
9. Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth.
10. Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
11. Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
12. Both claimed to be a final prophet of God.
13. Both claimed they were persecuted because of their pure faith.
14. Both were polygamists who had many wives.
15. Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated that polytheistic moon god called "Allah" and "Allah's three daughters" into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 350 known gods that were worshipped in Arabia and proclaimed the moon god to be the greatest and only God. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called "pyramidology" and the Masons and other magic systems.
16. Both received "after the fact corrective revelations" from God. Muhammad retracted the Satanic verses and Mormons retracted Smith's divine order mandating polygamy. But for Mormons it there is even a closer parallel. Sounds exactly like Muhammad and his satanic verses.
"As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi... which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated... I will shew unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, Preface)
17. Immediately after the death of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out from among the "faithful converts" as to who would succeed Muhammad and Smith. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to who is the one true splinter group of their prophet!
18. Mormons, contrary to the Bible, "baptize the dead" by gathering genealogies of all men who lived on earth. This contradicts the Bible: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." Tit 3:9 While the Bible says avoid focusing in Genealogies, the Mormon church makes it their central focus of mission. Mormons have even been criticized for baptizing, by proxy, the Jews had died in Nazi Holocaust camps. When lists of genealogies are collected, living Mormons are baptized, on behalf of, those on the lists, who have already died. In this way, Mormons view every man who lived, as being Mormons. In the same way Muslims claim that all men are born Muslims and when they learn the truth of Christianity, they are apostatizing from their first faith. Muslims re-write history by proclaiming Jesus and the Apostles were Muslims in a similar way Mormons baptize Jews (for example) with the expectation they will be Mormons in the next life. Yet gathering of large genealogical lists no more makes dead people Mormons in the next life, than re-writing history makes Jesus into a Muslim.
19. Both the Islam and Mormon religions have those who follow the "original doctrine" of the founding leaders and like these founding leaders, are violent, polygamists, and have revelations justifying their evil actions.
20. Both Muslims and Mormons (and Jehovah's Witnesses) have progressive revelation. Jws call it "new light". Muslims call it "Nasikh". Jehovahs Witnesses were once instructed to celebrated Christmas, birthdays and salute the flag, but "new light" changed all that. Mormons like all Muslims, were originally polygamists until "The Manifesto" against polygamy came as a revelation to John Taylor, over 40 years after Smith's death, on the eve of the US government outlawing the practice of polygamy. New revelation always replaces older revelation that became inconvenient to the prophet.
I was informed, maybe wrongly, by other FReepers long ago that I should not post any anti Mormon stuff at the peril of my account.
IS this not acurate?
***Many Baptist churches do these same things, especially the independents.
I QUIT a Baptist church when they wanted to see my paycheck stub.....***
I have never ever heard of a Baptist church doing this! Been going there for the last 35 years. ( Note: I am not a Baptist but the wife and kids are Baptists.)
Usually small non aligned congregations, not SBA or the other one I cant remember the letters....
Glad to hear both Sentinel! As a nevermo, I can only relate to what I've read regarding the trust factor being damaged upon leaving mormonism. After all the teaching of the only true church - and being burned by it and all. Many exmormon sites have an abundance of atheists/agnostics. Good to have you finding a church home where you can fellowship with other Christians and heal. Being able to drink coffee during the sermon is bonus!
Remember, any church can call itself Baptist. There are many that are really small fiefdoms for the preacher and his family. The WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH comes to mind....
Might well ask whether or not these so-called links (of which, only 2 can represent OFFICIAL doctrine for the lds church) will speak to this. When you do dig in, you will find prophets and apostles thrown under the bus because their teachings of doctrine are not PC enough in todays era - and so they must write them off. Seekers will note - for a church that claims a living prophet - these were the teachings of the living prophets at the time. If they are as screwed up as mormons of today claim - how trust worthy is the doctrine and teachings of the church built upon those very same 'mouthpieces' of the gods?
***I QUIT a Baptist church when they wanted to see my paycheck stub.....***
“Good for you; but THAT tactic is NOT spelled out in their ‘scriptures’; probably the KJV of the BIBLE.”
Here it is! Strange! No forced giving!
“God is the source of all blessings, temporal and spiritual; all that we have and are we owe to Him. Christians have a spiritual debtorship to the whole world, a holy trusteeship in the gospel, and a binding stewardship in their possessions. They are therefore under obligation to serve Him with their time, talents, and material possessions; and should recognize all these as entrusted to them to use for the glory of God and for helping others. According to the Scriptures, Christians should contribute of their means cheerfully, regularly, systematically, proportionately, and liberally for the advancement of the Redeemer’s cause on earth.”
Even as bishop, I never devoted as much as 30 hours a week to church work. (Someone who spends that much time is probably doing it wrong.)
I tithe 10% on my net (not gross) income. I have never conducted or been subjected to a "tithing audit." (Do you mean "tithing settlement"?)
Fast offerings are voluntary contributions to help the poor. The amount given is entirely up to the giver; the cost of two meals per month is suggested. I try to give more, but no one has ever questioned or even commented on my fast offering.
As for guiltwell, I feel guilty when I offend others. In my opinion, guilt is entirely appropriate in such cases. Fortunately, the Atonement of Jesus Christ provides the means whereby I may repent of my sins.
Never heard of such a thing in my life.
I grew up IFB and that would never happen. It’s an honor system and besides, we don’t believe in 10% tithe. As far as I know there are no Baptist churches that believe in a literal 10% tithe and there are no Baptist churches who would have the temerity to ask for a paycheck stub.
Why? Well, you could read the parable of the woman who gave so very little yet it was all she could and from her heart.
God is interested in your intentions.
God has zero interest in proving yourself “worthy and well qualified”. That is strictly a Mormon concept and a Masonic concept, of which I belong to.
There is none worthy, no, not one. So if God doesn’t make the disctinction of a anyone being better than the other, for any reason, why then should it make sense to prove you are worthy.
Clearly you are not worthy and proof of your honesty by usurpation of your free will to decide “what” you want to give, how much of it and when is not worthy of God and is a concept of obligation by man to man.
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. 42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
BTW, I went to Southern Baptist all over The South for years and I never heard of this practice proving yourself to another by showing your paycheck stub.
It’s stupid, without basis and ignores that may have a cast down, baby clothing, food, money, etc.
But you can give what you would and you would give what you can because the spirit compels you. Not because some man goaded you or shamed you to prove you are worthy or even a good Christian.
You need only prove yourself to God.
All the rest is bragging rights and God doesn’t care for that either.
I believe MHGinTN had something more succint on this subject a few days ago.
Nice try though. He’s a Southerner and he won’t buy what you are selling either.
If you want to name the church that requires this I would be happy to investigate myself but I’m calling Bravo Sierra on this one.
I'm Jewish. I really don't know much about the Mormons except for the hospitality they showed me when I visited their place. I have a copy of their book, which I've only looked at a little. Just let's say that our book has a lot more witnesses and archeology. But since I thought they were nice people anyway I did try to learn a little bit about their history when I got back home. This is nearly 20 years ago so maybe my memory has faded a bit. My recollection thought is that these folks were persecuted from pillar to post, and sometimes they fought back. A quick look at the Wiki articles now reinforces this.
If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look. This started as some sort of comparison between Islam and Mormonism; and surely I can find the "smite them at their necks" stuff in the Koran. Until someone leads me to such passages in the Book of Mormon, I guess I'll remain shocked by the hatred some of my fellow FReepers show for this group.
Good point. There are many cults that masquerade as Christian churches, and that is not limited to the Baptists alone.
And they should be held to the same doctrinal standards as everyone else who claims to be part of the body of Christ.
And Mormonism is apart from Biblical Christianity and not even close to Christianity doctrinally.
****Usually small non aligned congregations, not SBA or the other one I cant remember the letters....****
The only church I can think of other than Mormons that require 10% would be the Seventh Day Adventists (SDA). Many of the other churches wish the congregation would voluntarily give 10% but don’t require it.
“I was informed, maybe wrongly, by other FReepers long ago that I should not post any anti Mormon stuff at the peril of my account.
IS this not acurate?”
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It used to be that way a very long time ago, but that changed several years back. I have pinged Greyfoxx39 as she was part of the ‘mormon war’ here on FR. She can fill you in as I was off FR at the time.
Good to hear, fellowship is important for spiritual growth even though our salvation is not dependant upon it.
And it is very hard to trust after coming out of a cult. I have some friends who attended a cowboy church (the husband was saved at one from Mormonism) for many years and spoke highly of the movement.
***If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look.****
Google the words — blood atonement — and you will get plenty. Please note I did not say for you to google MORMON BLOOD ATONEMENT, but only the words— blood atonement.
Your attributions of hatred, when we have done/said nothing hateful speaks more negatively about you than us.
Also, why do you care? You are Jewish, and they reject Jesus as Messiah, so you don’t have a dog in this fight.
You assume that all Mormon doctrine can/is found in the Book of Mormon, or even the D&C and that is simply NOT true. Mormons believe in ‘continuing revelation’ and blood atonement comes not from their scripture but from their ‘prophets’.
However, we would be more than willing to provide quotes from their prophets (also considered scripture) about the doctrine.
****If it is Mormon doctrine to slit non-believers throats and someone can point out where I might find this in any of their writings I will certainly have a look.****
I showed you where to look and you throw a hissyfit.
I just can’t please some people!
“This isn’t really my fight or my issue, except that your HATRED is shocking to me.”
People are drawn to some TV shows for that very reason!
It would appear that your post itself is quite judgmental and hateful. I find your usage of capitals hateful.
Well, that is obvious. I (and other inmans) however DO know alot about Mormons and their doctrines. Many of us haven't just 'met' nice Mormons, we lived that religion, we taught those doctrines and we believed them. And then we found out the truth - that Mormonism is all a lie.