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Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ
LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender

Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

By Elder Dennis B. Neuenschwander Of the Seventy

 

 

 

Dennis B. Neuenschwander, “Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ,” Ensign, Jan 2009, 16–22

Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.

 

 

 

In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was “called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ” (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christ’s being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. “Ye shall be witnesses unto me” (Acts 1:8) was Jesus’s instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered “out of every nation” (Acts 2:5) that “this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses” (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus “was seen of me also” (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christ’s being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.

The second pillar is centered on the Savior’s redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord “give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43).

Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles “alive after his passion … being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3).

How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is “Perfectly.”

The First Vision

Joseph Smith’s apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue one’s opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing “war of words and tumult of opinions” (Joseph Smith—History 1:10). But Joseph’s questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christ—an experience referred to as the First Vision.

Like that of the original Apostles, Joseph’s experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Joseph’s vision was at first an intensely personal experience—an answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.

As apostolic as this manifestation of Christ’s being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Joseph’s first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christ’s absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, “Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction” (Joseph Smith—History 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.

“At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction … , I saw a pillar of light. …

“It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Joseph Smith’s confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw God’s greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)

The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing God’s glory, Moses said, “Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed” (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.

Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.

This lesson was critical in Joseph’s apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.

The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their power—each a pillar of apostolic testimony.

The Book of Mormon

Joseph Smith’s early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to “the fulness of the everlasting Gospel” (Joseph Smith—History 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous “plain and most precious” (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.

Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Savior’s divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.

The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christ’s Atonement. The Savior’s holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of God’s creations—past, present, and future. What an impression Jacob’s teaching of the “infinite atonement” (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.

The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.

During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: “Oh, my God! … All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned—it is I who tempted the wrath of God. … How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?”3

For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:

“The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught. …

“For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him” (D&C 3:1, 4).

These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. “Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words,” Joseph was told, “yet you should have been faithful” (D&C 3:7–8). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.

How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the “keystone of our religion”5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.

Continuing Revelation and Scripture

After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.

The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Savior’s ministry, including His role in the Creation. “The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: … I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things” (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, “And worlds without number have I created; … and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten” (Moses 1:33).

The book of Moses clarified Christ’s relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophet’s understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of God’s love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the “God of heaven … wept” (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: “I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. … Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?” (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37–39).

Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created “by the word of my power” (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing “to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that “this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time” (Moses 6:62).

The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.

Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was “in the beginning with the Father” (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He “suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent” (D&C 19:16).

My Testimony of What the Prophet Revealed

I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Savior’s ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moroni’s initial visit with Joseph, the Savior’s words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Savior’s Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.

What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:

“I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning me—having done this that I might subdue all things unto myself—

“Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment” (D&C 19:2–3).

Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that “the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.”6

Joseph Smith’s apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophet’s own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:

“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).

How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.

 

 

 

Notes

1. See Book of Mormon Reference Companion, ed. Dennis L. Largey (2003), 457–58.

2. See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley (1958), 128–29.

3. History of Joseph Smith, 128, 129.

4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.

5. History of the Church, 4:461.

6. History of the Church, 3:30.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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To: Kevmo
Actually, Jim, I think this is consistent with the rules that were discussed when the “new” religion mod took up the mantle.

While caucuses, devotionals, etc., were allowed it was stated at the time that a caucus TITLE or the content of a caucus THREAD could not be worded in such a way as to provoke others. “Joseph Smith: an apostle of Jesus Christ” is a bit of a red flag, wouldn’t you think?


I do not start caucus threads, I have not tried to keep up with rules changes, so do threads that break the rules get thrown in breaking news all the time, or are they just making an example of Mormons?

“Joseph Smith: founder of the Mormon movement” would be a title that wouldn’t provoke. It would just be a statement of fact.

The Relig Mod might remember all this. I’m pretty sure that I do.


I agree the title could have been a red flag and I would recommended that future posts by LDS take that into account, however, I didn't see a warning, or anything by the MOD, indeed PD seemed confused as to what happened. IMHO punishments work best if administered with full knowledge by the punished of what they are being punished for. JM$.02

Delph
1,101 posted on 01/03/2011 4:11:08 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: T Minus Four; restornu
I’m imagine you and the other LDS wish Resty would just shut up :-)

Shut up? No. I would never suggest such a thing.

However, if the anti-Mormon threads on Free Republic are "taking a toll" on her, it would be healthier for her not to respond to them.

That said, restornu strikes me a someone who is deeply devoted to Jesus Christ. Such devotion is what makes one a true Christian.

A witness from the Holy Ghost is priceless. It is understandable that restornu would get upset when something so precious to her is demeaned or discounted. I would simply advise her to remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:6.

1,102 posted on 01/03/2011 4:11:50 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Godzilla

“Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the CRIME of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again.”

If a Mormon believes one is still married in the afterlife, but his/her original spouse in this world has passed away and there has been a remarriage, which spouses make up the marriage in the next life? I am especially curious in the case of a remarried woman. This is not a baiting question I reeally am curious.


1,103 posted on 01/03/2011 4:14:56 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Logophile; Elsie

She is deeply devoted to the cult and teachings of Joseph Smith. That is quite a separate issue.

She even listed Joseph Smith first in her declaration to devotion. I think Elsie saw it.

Islam has a “jesus” and they call him isa or some such nonsense. It is not the Jesus of Biblical Christianity and you will actually find muslims who quite ardently defend this unScriptural “jesus”. Yes, they even go out and protest, thinking they’re defending the real Jesus. Though they are taught to deny everything about Him and in fact, abide by directly antichrist teachings and doctrine.

This is exactly why the Scripture tells us not to preach “another jesus” or “another gospel”. If I recall the Greek correctly, the word for “another” is basically “heteros”, which means “to mix with”. The Gospel of Christ mixed with anything else becomes a “heteros” teaching.


1,104 posted on 01/03/2011 4:20:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Normandy

As it the early days of the Church, the apostles are males.
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Why ???

Are the mormon women not “worthy” ???

Christian women are called to be apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists,

The Christian God is not a respecter of persons...

He saves and uses men, women, black, white, Jew, Gentile, etc..

he loks at the heart...not whats whats on the outside and underneath the clothes...

Oh silly Nana...

Thats in the Christian Bible...


1,105 posted on 01/03/2011 4:21:13 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

The point is, the deity of Christ serves as a good litmus test.


1,106 posted on 01/03/2011 4:23:01 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Normandy

As it the early days of the Church, the apostles are males.
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Christian women are called to be apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists,

and men too..

BTW did you see that plural word ???

“prophets”

You mentioned “the early days of the church”

So why do you not have “prophets” ???

Oh SNAP


1,107 posted on 01/03/2011 4:23:47 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SkyPilot

I am a descendant of Noah.
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You too ???

Me too...

:)


1,108 posted on 01/03/2011 4:25:45 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Kevmo; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator
It is a bit like pulling the rug out from under these poor, unfortunate souls who have bought into the heresy of mormonism and felt they were welcome to post on caucus threads here on FR.

Mormon caucus threads have of late IMO been posted with little regard for discussion, but as a way to proselytize without debate.

I doubt that the caucus thread was originally intended to further the "bunker mentality". Many mormon caucus threads were posted with subjects that while not directly showing overt antagonism, the covert antagonism is lurking beneath

Now, I'm not saying that disagreements among the other denominations don't get heated. However, I believe someone noted that these disagreements are among fellow believers in certain basic Christian tenets. I know of no Christian denomination represented here with the same basic tenets as mormonism.

It is a sect that from the very foundation was anti-Christian, as stated by prophet after prophet up until the last decade or so.

I really don't think the caucus issue is primary in the case of mormonism on FR but rather the attitude within mormonism that their belief is sacrosanct and that NO ONE has the right to question it. The mormons, and I speak from experience, have from the days of Joseph Smith been taught that they are a special people, and have been "persecuted" for the whole 180 years of the sect's existence BECAUSE of that "specialness".

The attitude is of entitlement, much like that attitude that we see today in the protected "special" classes that have grown up in America.

What you see in the discussion forum here is that regardless of the factual content of the material posted, there is an elitist reaction of "I don't give a damn WHAT the veracity of the post is, the fact that you SAID it is an attack against my church, my history, my family, my god"....on and on. And so, the attempt is made to sequester yet flaunt mormon beliefs under conditions that brook no objection.

One must understand that as stated in a speech at BYU by James Holt, March 12, 2010 ,

"This is not the purpose of interfaith dialogue from an LDS perspective; we don't seek ecumenism, we seek interfaith relationships and dialogue, but we do not seek ecumenism, because the purpose of it is to bring the churches together," Holt said. "That's not an LDS teaching, and we must be honest about it."

The dissonance of that statement with mormon demands to be called Christian is, to me remarkable, so why should mormons be granted caucus status on FR?

1,109 posted on 01/03/2011 4:27:43 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: reaganaut

Yes lots of women prophets...

Plus Deborah in the Old Testament was a judge over the whole nation of Israel...

MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people...

In fact she ruled more people and men than Tommy does now...

Oh noez...


1,110 posted on 01/03/2011 4:29:52 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

and Hey Deborah prophecied...

Tommy never has...

What does that mean ???


1,111 posted on 01/03/2011 4:31:08 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: DelphiUser

I do not start caucus threads, I have not tried to keep up with rules changes, so do threads that break the rules get thrown in breaking news all the time, or are they just making an example of Mormons?
***From what I can tell, this is the first instance. It probably isn’t “making an example of Mormons” as much as it is making an example of the first to offend. Being the first to offend is a rough deal — for instance Ananias & Sapphira, the guys who touched the ark of the covenant, the guy who took loot home on the first raid into the promised land, etc.


1,112 posted on 01/03/2011 4:38:05 PM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes it was just plain old domestic verbal abuse and threats of violence and death against his wife Emma Smith if she tried to stop Joey Smith from his ongoing one night stands and wholesale adultery...

he and some buddies had come up with the so called D&C 132 and claimed it came from their mormon god...

Emma had caught her husband in bed with a young girl...

IN HER OWN HOUSE...

thats the kind of scumbag she was married too...


1,113 posted on 01/03/2011 4:41:00 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SkyPilot; DelphiUser; reaganaut; Tennessee Nana
BTW, I am a descendant of Noah.

(Well, I can trump that! My Mormon relatives tell me that they can trace my genealogy back way further than even the so-called "pre-existence!...see below)

Mormon "scripture" -- adhered to by True-believing Mormons: Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be...For man is spirit. The elements are eternal and spirit... (Mormon Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33)

Why, how "New Age-ish" of Joseph Smith to label us ALL as going back in existence to be 100% on par with God's "beginning!"
How pantheistic to say how "eternal" the elements were; and that the spirits of men & women could not be created!

But wait a minute.

If our genealogy goes back to premordial spirit slime & goo along w/other spirits & elements...why did we need a "Mom God" in heaven to have sex billions of times with the Mormon god in order to have billions of spirit-babies???

Well...are you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?

Yup. Admit it...you thought of this before I did...

The Mormon god must have just been tellin' his wife she needed to have sex to keep churnin' out these spirit babies...knowin' all along, that the Mormon stork delivered them daily from the pre-mordial spirit slime & goo central!

I'm tellin' ya...But shh...(don't want to get the Mormon god in trouble over his Joseph Smith-like bedroom secrets)

1,114 posted on 01/03/2011 4:43:03 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: DelphiUser; Alamo-Girl; reaganaut; T Minus Four; Colofornian; Godzilla; SZonian
I think you may have made a mistake in posting this claptrap to Alamo Girl.

I doubt she has ever even seen a turnip truck, much less "rode in on one."

1,115 posted on 01/03/2011 4:53:42 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: F15Eagle

THE BOOK OF MORMON
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2:24
Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord. (Joseph Smith, 1830)

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives; 26–27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
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1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye dammed; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fullness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fullness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

8 Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.

9 Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?

10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not appointed?

11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father ordained unto you, before the world was?

12 I am the Lord thy God; and I give unto you this commandment—that no man shall come unto the Father but by me or by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord.

13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by thrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.

14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.

18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fullness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.

22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also.

24 This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

25 Broad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the deaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they receive me not, neither do they abide in my law.

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

27 The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall not be forgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit murder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be dammed, saith the Lord.

28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the law of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.

29 Abraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne.

30 Abraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose loins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the stars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.

31 This promise is yours also, because ye are of Abraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.

32 Go ye, therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.

33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.

34 God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.

35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, commanded it.

36 Abraham was commanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not kill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for righteousness.

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.

39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an appointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.

41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily,
verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.

42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery.
43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a avow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.

44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and give her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.

45 For I have conferred upon you the keys and power of the priesthood, wherein I restore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.

46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you bind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you remit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.

47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will curse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.

48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you give any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.

49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be with thee even unto the bend of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I seal upon you your exaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your father.

50 Behold, I have seen your sacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your sacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I accepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.

51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to prove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.

56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.

57 And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for Satan seeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his exaltation and glory.

58 Now, as touching the law of the priesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was Aaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that sent me, and I have endowed him with the keys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit sin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfill the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


1,116 posted on 01/03/2011 4:58:20 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Joey Smith was all things to all women...

Until the wife of William Law slapped him for TSAing her and told her husband, who just happening to be the editor of the Nauvoo Expositor....


1,117 posted on 01/03/2011 5:01:01 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Utah Binger
didn't ask you my friend

Nobody asks -- this is a forum. You post something, I disagree with it and tell you why. If you disagree with what I write, you post back and tell me why. Or if you don't like responding to an argument, you can drag other people in and try to deflect.

1,118 posted on 01/03/2011 5:05:01 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SkyPilot
I am a descendant of Noah.

Wow! Me too! What a coincidence!

1,119 posted on 01/03/2011 5:05:41 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: SZonian

I know I don’t care what Joseph Smith said. But I completely agree that it is an assumption, a faulty one at that.


1,120 posted on 01/03/2011 5:06:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kalee

which spouses make up the marriage in the next life?
___________________________________________

all of them

every wife the mormon guy was married to...

plus any “worthy” mormon women whose husbands were considered “unworthy”

didnt pay tithe etc...

then its Hie Ho of to Kolob to be given a planet to rule with his harem of thousands ...


1,121 posted on 01/03/2011 5:07:29 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Im caught up...


1,122 posted on 01/03/2011 5:10:49 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

mormonic placemarker


1,123 posted on 01/03/2011 5:12:17 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Tennessee Nana

I am familiar with the thread, and this particular sequence. And my other comments; your response wasn’t to my previous comment about the purpose of caucus threads, so it wasn’t at all clear that your ridicule comment would be related to mine.

And relating it to my original post still doesn’t explain why you claimed that this thread was de-caucused because it ridiculed other beliefs. To the degree you might find beliefs ridiculed in this thread, it is because the thread was de-caucused, not the other way around. Cause and effect.


1,124 posted on 01/03/2011 5:15:45 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: DelphiUser
Speaking of the bleating of ...

Errors in the Bible? And yet your faux prophet didn't correct them when he retransalted into King Jmaes English the King James Bible, even with the thousands and thusands of words he added and subtratced from same!

Erros in the Bible? ... Like the use of the Latin name "Lucifer" found in the Bibles since Jerome but not in any Scripture prior to Jerome in the second century, yet your peepstone sexual predator of married women whne supposedly bringing forth the BofM (sounds a lot like a bowell movement doesn't it?) had Isaiah from 600 BC using the Latin name!

Errors? You wouldn't recognize deceit if it bit your big nose! Your peepstone false prophet has so much proven deceit that anyone looking deeply at your faux christianity sees a conman who duped and continues to dupe people liuke you whith fantasy works like the 'translation' of Egyptian papri.

Your of BofM used to teach the trinitarian nature of God, but that didn't work for the rot Joey & co. wanted to promote when he got his 'priesthood' and temple rituals going, so that was expunged. Your problem is, son, the original works from your liar in chief still exist to prove him a liar!

Drop back and punt, delph. You still have your faux testimony to spittle forth for us.

1,125 posted on 01/03/2011 5:16:01 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Logophile
Thin-skinned Mormons probably should not read critical articles.

Wise words.

1,126 posted on 01/03/2011 5:18:46 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Chuck you seem to be obsessed about the de-lousing...errr de-caucusing of this thread...

The original poster has never had such success...

Why cant you just relax and be happy ???

Even Tommy Monson could prophecy an ulcer in your future...


1,127 posted on 01/03/2011 5:20:21 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

well that’s something! An athiest as a Mormon. I suspect there are others as he... though they likely don’t make it known...

I was recently reading of a fellow who infiltrated Mormonism in order to report on the realities from with in ....have to go back and finish that, though I’m not sure where it is now? Ha!

It is very interesting though, reading the stories from those who left Momonism. Haven’t seen one yet that wasn’t a good read.


1,128 posted on 01/03/2011 5:22:52 PM PST by caww
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To: Godzilla

With delph, it is like he has a neighbor on either side of his house, and if you say ‘you cannot murder your neighbor’, he retorts that that means he can murder one or the other because you didn’t specify which neighbor he could not murder.


1,129 posted on 01/03/2011 5:29:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Zakeet

Thanks for the ping. I stay out of religious discussion because I come here for politics. HOWEVER, JR’s comment, “It’s breaking news to me,” is perfect. What nonsense— a title designed to lure in the unsuspecting, to deceive. I cannot abide the teachings of Mormonism. Let them proslytize elsewhere.


1,130 posted on 01/03/2011 5:30:03 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Tennessee Nana

I didn’t particularly care about the de-caucusing of this thread. I found reason to respond to a few posts in the thread, and since it wasn’t a caucus thread, I did so.

Yes, this thread got a lot more posts than it ever would have if it had remained a caucus thread. Which means a lot more people may have read the thread — which certainly isn’t something I thought would be a good thing.

I don’t particularly think de-caucusing was a good thing. It could have languished in obscurity as all the other threads; if the title was deemed offensive, it could have been edited, and if the thread was offensive, it could have been deleted.

Which leads me to believe that all involved are happy with this thread’s progress, although it seems odd that the response to a thread with a blasphemous title was to make it the most popular thread of the new year.


1,131 posted on 01/03/2011 5:31:13 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Clara Lou

The funny thing is that, until people realised who bumped this to breaking news, they were upset that the original poster had made it breaking news, and thought it was getting way too much attention.


1,132 posted on 01/03/2011 5:32:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Apparently many disagree with you......


1,133 posted on 01/03/2011 5:34:31 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Kevmo

Reference post #215 ... nice to be in agreement with you, Kev.


1,134 posted on 01/03/2011 5:38:20 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: reaganaut

Not me....


1,135 posted on 01/03/2011 5:46:48 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: DelphiUser
I promise people they can have the same answer as mine if they will just follow the steps, I teach people to pray.


1,136 posted on 01/03/2011 5:48:36 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: reaganaut
Apostatizing from the Church God told me to join because of the arguments of men... Not an option.

Newsflash...it wasn’t God. More like Satan.

There are a few things you can count on satan never doing... Testifying of Jesus Christ coming in the flesh as Lord and Savior is one of them.

It wasn't him, it was God. The Bible says I can trust this witness...

The test is contained in First John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I know who answered my prayer, you were not there, Nice Try.

Delph
1,137 posted on 01/03/2011 5:49:21 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Paragon Defender; reaganaut; greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; Utah Binger; Colofornian; ...
But you parrot their propaganda so well. And I see you add a little of your own. How quaint.

Do you know what God's disciples said about people like you?

"Beware of the false teachers--men who come to you in sheep's fleeces, but beneath that disguise they are ravenous wolves."

Matthew 7:15

I am not one of your Mormon slaves "Paragon Defender."

I am a free man through Christ Jesus. I don't believe and worship by your false teachings. You and your fellow cult members can't hurt my family or my reputation. You can't call on your local "Mormon Bishopric." (which....by the way...'bishopric' is a made up secular word) to hurt me. You cannot harm my wife, or my business.

I have been reading Ravi Zacharias lately. In one book of his, he talks about God being the Grand Weaver in our lives. I have learned a lot from this. All of my failures and disappointments are part of God's plan for me, as well as the much of the success I have had by His plan.

In your sick cult, God "owes" you.

Don't deny it.

God owes me nothing. It is the other way around.

When will you realize that God is not our servant, but rather, you are a servant of God?

Mormonism is a cult, and your are trapped in it. The proverbial "they" can hurt you. You know it.

What is keeping you from the Truth? Is it your family? You live in fear. If you were to leave Mormonism, what would happen to you?

God calls each of us. Perhaps you need to seek His hand.

If you do, I guarantee you that HE will not let you fall.

If you stick to the road you are on, your will fall to ruin.

1,138 posted on 01/03/2011 5:49:31 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Jim Robinson
Of course they wouldn't object when Mr. Robinson himself made the change...he does own the site. Like any owner of a business he can make any changes he wants, at any time of his choosing. When you're the man at the top..it's a given.

Also there's a huge difference between the debates with catholics and those with Mormons. Besides Protestants and others get their fair share of bashing as well...so you're barking up the wrong tree there.

As for you wanting to see a more “charitable application” on the threads...FR offers other options for the softer side of discussion. It;s a choice to post or not...or for that matter scan by what one isn't interested in. We all do so at our choosing.....

Concerning those who oppose Mormonism's teachings....when Jesus cleansed the temple he used a whip....Christians can and will speak strongly against false teachings, especially when these are used to deceive and trap the unsuspecting....and further discredit our savior. He's our King...we are loyal to Him.

1,139 posted on 01/03/2011 5:54:41 PM PST by caww
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To: Tennessee Nana
Joseph Smith...does sit in judgment on us according to Brigham Young and others who tell us he must “certify” us into glory"

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1,140 posted on 01/03/2011 5:57:49 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: Elsie

That’s ‘Spiritualism’ Smith is directing people in...common in the occults and most likely his point of reference since he was entrenched in occult practices...as was his entire family. Some real freaky stuff they were involved in.

Just as his “burning in the bosum” instructions...he took the occults instructions..slathered it with a heavy dose of scripture, and called it Mormon teaching...when in fact it is directly linked to the occult.


1,141 posted on 01/03/2011 6:01:57 PM PST by caww
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To: T Minus Four

[snicker]


1,142 posted on 01/03/2011 6:09:38 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: caww

Excellent response, caww.


1,143 posted on 01/03/2011 6:14:32 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Chuck either we are a free people or we are not...

A caucus is like a private church...

you can sit in a church and boast about we-four-and-no-more in private...

Whose to know ???

However if you put extremely loud speakers in the windows and scream your hate of other beliefs into the street passerby are going to come in and argue with you...

well until the police arrive and send them off and tell you to keep it down...

or if you publish in the newspapers that all Christian churches are an abomination, the readers comments are going to be indifferent to your supposed Joey Smith given right to insult the God of the Christian Bible...You WILL get much well chosen curse words..

No media or form of communication in America is solely one way...

As Senator Hillary Clinton so rightly said “we have a right to debate. We will debate.” or something like that...

While you have a right to say anything in your home...

Yelling fire in a theatre when there is no fire will get you in trouble...

Telling Christians that the unbeliever and pagan Joey Smith has said Christianity is an abomination will not go unchallenged...

Chizeling in stone at an Salt Lake intersection the same bigotry and hatred does not endear the mormons to real Christians..

and demanding a caucus in order to violate the religious rights of Christians to exercise our free speech rights and practice our right to worship: and in order to protect foul blasphemeous articles that the demonic mormon Joey Smith was chosen by the LORD Jesus Christ to be one of His apostles will not go unrefuted and unchallenged..

This is the United States of America in 2011 not Brigham Youngs theocratic ditatorship in the Utah Territory in 1844-76

We dont have a state religion of mormonism like Joey Smith prophecied...

the whole world never did go after Joey Smith...

and Joey Smith never did meet Jesus and get to be His prophet or apostle...

Ive never started a caucus thread in my life...

I believe too much in the Constitution...and I like open aired bickering...

Other people have just as much right as I to worship how they please...

They just dont get to attempt to hijack Christianity and spit on my God and my Savior, the LORD Jesus Christ in front of me without my objecting strongly and in any way I can...

Mormonism is not Christianity...

Its a foul imitation and sick distortion from the lustful evil mind of Joey Smith for the sole intention of gaining women, money and abusive power over other people...

While mormons have a right to believe their LDS nonsense, they dont have a right to attempt to align their Satanic rituals with the practice of Christianity without being called out on it...

For many hundreds of posts now you have continued to complain, whine and gripe about the “de-caucusing” of a thread that did not earn the privilege of a caucus to begin with...

One has to wonder why you wont just leave it alone...especially since you have already said years ago that you personally are NOT a mormon...

but carry on ...its your keyboard...and your time...


1,144 posted on 01/03/2011 6:15:42 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


1,145 posted on 01/03/2011 6:19:07 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Zakeet

Nice beak and receding chin. And hairline, as well. He really was a homely twerp. No wonder that he overcompensated and created his own religion.


1,146 posted on 01/03/2011 6:24:57 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: T Minus Four
Go start your own conservative political forum and then PD can add you to his List-o-links.

LOL...you are so sharp today...had razor blades for lunch?

1,147 posted on 01/03/2011 6:26:15 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: Paragon Defender; Zakeet

Not even close PD, if you knew your theology, you would know that.

BTW, were you the one that tipped off Spammy (Greg West)?


1,148 posted on 01/03/2011 6:28:24 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
As Senator Hillary Clinton so rightly said “we have a right to debate. We will debate.” or something like that...

Hillary Clinton quotes are always my favorite choice to buttress an argument in a conservative forum.

1,149 posted on 01/03/2011 6:28:48 PM PST by NautiNurse (ObamaCare uses Bernie Madoff theory of economics)
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To: TaraP
I know Jesus very well.....I don’t know who you know very well....

It was ONLY eight replies back; and you think THAT is what I typed?


And it appears your knowledge of the BIBLE is a bit shallow, too.

I typed NOTHING about JESUS at all!

1,150 posted on 01/03/2011 6:29:20 PM PST by Elsie
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