Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

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"ONLY GOD IS WORTHY OF PRAISE. Yet the LDS have a hymn about Smith, singing his praises. That is disgusting. Disgusting indeed.

The LDS seem to worship Smith. But of course they will deny it and claim they are just Christians like the rest of us. But that claim is becoming more and more lame as more Mormon doctrine is revealed."

Mormons are to Christianity as RINOS are to Conservatism.

Of course we need look no further than Romney and Reid to see that.

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Amen WV! And I join you in prayer for Jeff’s salvation and encourage all the other inmans to do the same.

I'm in! Jeff, I just prayed for your rescue.

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You are really going to defend the Book of Abraham? LOL! Come on then, do it. Don't post links, just say it in your own words.

Do you believe it is what Joseph Smith said it was? Do you believe the pictures mean what Joseph Smith said they mean?

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Reminds me of people who claim to be reincarnated....Notice how they were NEVER just a poor dumb money digger in a future life, but Napolean or some Queen or King.

Every scrap of paper or tin brought to Smith turned out to be an artifact beyond value from a biblical prophet !

I do wonder, though, if we're all wrong about reincarnation perhaps Smith is among us. ;)

[Godzilla]

You never win, and you never admit that we had this discussion before.

Oh we've discussed this on several occasions, however your interpretations are severely 'challenged' regarding who won or lost.

Lurkers, My page on FR. . .

Chews up drive space as an vehicle of mormon proselytizing.

As for Jesus making it clear, he made it clear that Divorce is adultery, he said nothing about polygamy.

Lurkers will note - scriptural interpretation is poorly developed among some mormon apologists. In this instance, it is further compounded by a blinding obedience to a dead prophet.

Lurkers will note, within the context of divorce, Jesus also clarifies the context of adultery (woops, DU missed that one, didn't he). Here is what Jesus REALLY said -

Mat 19:9 KJV - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mar 10:11 KJV - And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Luk 16:18 KJV - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

Jesus stated only ONE condition for divorce - marital infidelity. In Jesus' eyes, divorce under any other condition was invalid an the two were still married. Thus if one or the other marries under this invalid divorce, it becomes adultery.

What DU apparently fails to recognize is that for the case of the man, now 'married' to TWO women (ie polygamy) is not sanctioned by Jesus but repudiated as adultery.

BTW, good 'law abiding' prophet smith broke the law when he began mormon polygamy and that violation of the law continued until wilson's revelation.

Spin, spin and spin Du. LOL

[DelphiUser]

It may be for refutation rather than ridicule ... nut how you feel is your problem.

I never brought up feelings, I spoke of trust. I don't trust the LSM, and I think FR has lost trust with this move.

It was not done according to the rules, and the rules should be followed especially by those in charge of enforcing the rules.

IF the rules are not working, then change them, don't break them. Same for the constitution, amend it, don't just ignore it. Can't get the amendment you want passed? just obey it, it's the law of the land, or should be.

Not too many years ago, you didn't know the facts on how Smith dictated the BofM. It was hard for you to accept the fact that he put a divination stone in his hat and stcuk his face in the hat. You were oh so confident that he had the 'golden plates' right there in front of him and trasnslated them like some typical scholar.

I have never said Joseph smith translated the Book of Mormon like a "typical scholar". I am continually learning, I hope I never stop. some debates like whether or not I exist lose their attraction after a while though and when God speaks, debate IMHO ceases. I have received a witness directly from God. Do you honestly think I should listen to your "logic" over that witness? I think you would be very disappointed in me if I did.

I do find it odd that the facts had escaped you for all those years, even though you had been to and finished a mission stint. The way you handle such enlightening is one of the reasons I have zero respect for you and your 'scholarship'. I will acknowledge you do have a zeal though. And you are very clever.

The "Zero respect" makes everything else you said moot.

Facts Are.

Reality is.

We all deal with reality by creating a perspective with the facts (or what we think are facts) we have, and extrapolate our version of reality. The more we learn the more our perspective should match reality.

Jesus' perspective is reality.

I strive to be more like Jesus everyday. if that disappoints you then be disappointed. I'm not trying to impress you, just be more like Jesus.

Delph

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[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

lol

[NoRedTape]

"Mormons are to Christianity as RINOS are to Conservatism."

Good analogy.

Lots of mormons waking-up and telling their stories..........especially HERE.

[Godzilla]

speaking of the devil (666 post)

There is absolutely nothing that makes your ‘witness’ any more valid than MHG’s or even mine DU. It washes out in the end.

[reaganaut]

Thank you for posting that. I forgot that it had been HTML’d for FR.

[Tennessee Nana]

Zilla: Yep and so did Moses and Abraham etc communed with Jehovah!
True they did - but smith was a faker.

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Resty: They also said that in Moses and Abraham time!
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Really Resty ???

People said that Abraham and Moses were fakers ???

Well if that happened there will be a source somewhere from which you got that info...

The Old Testament of the Christian Bible maybe...

Please do enlighten us...

Waiting

Crickets

Cobwebs

Hurry up before my skeleton disintegrates...

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[Tennessee Nana]

Zilla: Yep and so did Moses and Abraham etc communed with Jehovah!
True they did - but smith was a faker.

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Resty: They also said that in Moses and Abraham time!
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Really Resty ???

People said that Abraham and Moses were fakers ???

Well if that happened there will be a source somewhere from which you got that info...

The Old Testament of the Christian Bible maybe...

Please do enlighten us...

Waiting

Crickets

Cobwebs

Hurry up before my skeleton disintegrates...

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[reaganaut]

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. However, i will still pray for your salvation.

Sometimes it is better to look the problems of Mormonism straight in the face rather than turn and run. A faith that cannot withstand criticism is a faith that is not worth having. Most LDS I know would rather be content then know the truth.

I have no problems with the LDS as conservatives, I do have a problem with them claiming to be Christians while promoting blasphemy.

[Elsie]

As this thread is about Joseph Smith, I would add this statement from him.

 

Yes; it is!  Here's another!

 

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God the Father

Our Heavenly Father, also called Elohim, stands in the exalted position above all beings.

 However, Joseph Smith says that “. . . he is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! . . . .If you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, form, and image of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked, and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another” (Documentary History of the Church, p. 305).

 

The  source is http://www.mormonwiki.com/Godhead 

 

 

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I know these taudry thought are untrue

Resty, are you denying that Joseph Smith took underage girls and other men's wives as his multiple wives? Are you really?

[MHGinTN]

How fitting that your spin got post # 666.

[ejonesie22]

It is undeniable fact, and it is because we DID NOT ignore the Mormon information that you keep posting ad nausuem that we know the book of Abraham is a fraud.

That it has to be “regurgitated’ comes from the fact that morg apologist like you will never give up the scam regardless of the facts being against you.

So until you quit peddling the fraud we will have to keep bringing on the facts.

[Elsie]

...Smith's prophecies are superior to the laws of the land.