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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ, Ensign, Jan 2009, 1622
Adapted from a presentation to the Seventy.
In the Doctrine and Covenants we read that Joseph Smith was called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ (D&C 20:2). The call of an Apostle is first to witness or testify of Jesus Christ. Old Testament prophets testified of His coming. The New Testament Apostles bore personal witness of Christs being and of the absolute reality of His Resurrection. This apostolic witness was the basis of their teaching. Ye shall be witnesses unto me (Acts 1:8) was Jesuss instruction to the original Twelve. Peter testified on the day of Pentecost to the Jews who had gathered out of every nation (Acts 2:5) that this Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses (Acts 2:32). Similarly, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that Jesus was seen of me also (1 Corinthians 15:8). The sure witness of Christs being and the reality of His Resurrection is the first pillar of apostolic testimony.
The second pillar is centered on the Saviors redemptive and saving power. Peter teaches that to the Lord give all the Prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins (Acts 10:43).
Without these twin pillars of testimony concerning Christ, there could be no Apostle. Such testimonies are born of experience, divine command, and instruction. For example, Luke writes that Christ showed Himself to the Apostles alive after his passion being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3).
How does the Prophet Joseph Smith fit into these apostolic requirements? The answer is Perfectly.
Joseph Smiths apostolic instruction began in 1820. Pondering the questions of religion, he soon found that there was no way to reason or argue ones opinion to an authoritative conclusion concerning the correctness of the various churches or their doctrines. Short of a divine manifestation, young Joseph could add only one more opinion to the already existing war of words and tumult of opinions (Joseph SmithHistory 1:10). But Josephs questions on religion were answered by the personal and physical manifestation of God the Father and His divine and living Son, Jesus Christan experience referred to as the First Vision.
Like that of the original Apostles, Josephs experience with Deity was direct and personal. There was no need for the opinion of others or the deliberations of a council to define what he saw or what it came to mean to him. Josephs vision was at first an intensely personal experiencean answer to a specific question. Over time, however, illuminated by additional experience and instruction, it became the founding revelation of the Restoration.
As apostolic as this manifestation of Christs being, existence, and Resurrection was to Joseph Smith, it was not the only thing Jesus wanted to teach him. The boy Josephs first lesson arose from the manifestation of Christs absolute, omnipotent, and divine power. Joseph learned firsthand at least one meaning of the redeeming and saving power of Christ when he prayed in the grove. As he began to pray, Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction (Joseph SmithHistory 1:15). With every bit of energy Joseph had, he began to call upon God to deliver him from the grasp of this enemy.
At the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction , I saw a pillar of light.
It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound (Joseph SmithHistory 1:1617).
Joseph Smiths confrontation with the adversary is reminiscent of an experience Moses had, about which the Prophet would learn some few years later. Unlike the boy Joseph, however, Moses saw Gods greatness first and then was confronted with the power of the adversary before being delivered from his influence. (See Moses 1.)
The difference in the order of events is significant. Moses was already far into maturity and had much knowledge and influence prior to this event. By displaying His magnificent power to Moses before he faced the adversary, the Lord helped Moses put his life into perspective. After experiencing Gods glory, Moses said, Now, for this cause I know that man is nothing, which thing I never had supposed (Moses 1:10). This incident enabled Moses to withstand the temptations of the adversary that followed.
Joseph Smith, on the other hand, was an inexperienced young man, who in his lifetime would repeatedly face adversarial power and the overwhelming problems it brings. By facing the adversary first, then being saved from his assault by the appearance of the Father and the Son, Joseph learned this indelible lesson: as great as the power of evil might be, it must always withdraw with the appearance of righteousness.
This lesson was critical in Josephs apostolic education. He needed this knowledge not only because of the personal trials that lay ahead of him but also because of the overwhelming opposition he would face in founding and directing the Church.
The boy Joseph went into the grove seeking wisdom, and wisdom he received. His apostolic instruction had begun. Among the great apostolic lessons of this First Vision were both the physical nature of the Savior and Heavenly Father and the initial and fundamental lessons relating to Their powereach a pillar of apostolic testimony.
Joseph Smiths early apostolic instruction continued with his translation of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon gave Joseph access to the fulness of the everlasting Gospel (Joseph SmithHistory 1:34), principles that were necessary to understand even prior to the organization of the Church. The Prophet was introduced to numerous plain and most precious (1 Nephi 13:26) prophetic and apostolic testimonies regarding the Savior, all of which served as models for him.
Indeed, the Book of Mormon prophets employ over 100 titles in their teachings of Christ, each of which helped Joseph understand the Saviors divine role.1 By virtue of these teachings, Joseph Smith became intimately acquainted with ancient prophets, giving him insight into the divine purpose of his responsibilities.
The Book of Mormon illuminates the universality of Christs Atonement. The Saviors holy sacrifice is not confined to the borders of the Holy Land of His day or even restricted to the apostolic world of the original Twelve. The Atonement encompasses all of Gods creationspast, present, and future. What an impression Jacobs teaching of the infinite atonement (2 Nephi 9:7) must have made on the mind of young Joseph, especially in contrast to Christian teachings at the time.
The Book of Mormon also introduces the universality of the Resurrection and other doctrines relating to it. Discourses on this doctrine by Lehi, Jacob, King Benjamin, Abinadi, Alma, Amulek, Samuel the Lamanite, and Moroni are all rich sources of instruction.
During the translation of the Book of Mormon, the Prophet received additional valuable personal instruction concerning the redemptive and saving power of Christ. In 1828 Martin Harris persuaded Joseph to lend him the first 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. When Martin Harris lost those pages, the Prophet felt an enormous despair.2 His mother, Lucy Mack Smith, recorded that Joseph exclaimed: Oh, my God! All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinnedit is I who tempted the wrath of God. How shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy from the angel of the Most High?3
For well over a month the Lord left Joseph in this terrible condition of remorse.4 Then came relief and the apostolic lesson. The Lord told Joseph:
The works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated, neither can they come to naught.
For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him (D&C 3:1, 4).
These words carefully describe what Joseph Smith had been experiencing. He had learned the exacting nature of the apostolic call and to whom the Apostle, at all cost, owes his loyalty. Although men set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words, Joseph was told, yet you should have been faithful (D&C 3:78). Joseph Smith had lost access to the plates for a season and had been taught an invaluable lesson. Subsequently, the plates were returned, and his position as translator restored.
How critical were the lessons provided by the translation of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith grew in his apostolic calling! The Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion5 because it contains so many prophetic testimonies of Christ and stands as a tangible witness of the Restoration.
After finishing the translation of the Book of Mormon in 1829 and organizing the Church in 1830, Joseph Smith had the opportunity to receive continuing apostolic education through the process of translating other scripture. This included three years of translating the Bible and, beginning in 1835, translating the book of Abraham. Joseph Smiths translation of the Bible expanded his understanding of the role of Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles. It also resulted in additional revelation, namely the book of Moses.
The book of Moses provided the Prophet with important knowledge about the Saviors ministry, including His role in the Creation. The Lord spake unto Moses, saying: I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things (Moses 2:1). Further, He said, And worlds without number have I created; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten (Moses 1:33).
The book of Moses clarified Christs relationship to the Father in the premortal existence and reinforced the Prophets understanding of the ascendant power of righteousness. One of the most beautiful of all the apostolic lessons that came to Joseph Smith in this revelation was the confirmation of Gods love. It was so different from the harsh, unforgiving, and judgmental personage so many believed God to be; the book of Moses reveals a God of infinite compassion. Enoch saw that the God of heaven wept (Moses 7:28) over those who would not receive Him. Wishing to know how it was possible, Enoch was given an answer that has a familiar biblical feel to it: I [have] given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father. Wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer? (Moses 7:33, 37; see also Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:3739).
Through the translation of the book of Moses, the Prophet also became more acquainted with the redeeming and saving power of the Savior. As the Lord said, this earth was created by the word of my power (Moses 1:32) for the purpose of bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man (Moses 1:39). Many long years before the Savior taught Thomas and the Twelve that I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me (John 14:6), He revealed to Moses that this is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time (Moses 6:62).
The First Vision in the grove, the translation of the Book of Mormon, the revision of the Bible, the revelation of the book of Moses, and the translation of the book of Abraham laid the basic foundation of the Church, largely through the rapidly expanding knowledge and testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith relating to Jesus Christ.
Revelations given to him and compiled in the Doctrine and Covenants contain a wealth of knowledge concerning the Savior. One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world. I am grateful to know that Jesus was in the beginning with the Father (D&C 93:21). I am grateful to know that He suffered these things for [me], that [I] might not suffer if [I] would repent (D&C 19:16).
I am grateful for yet one other thing about the Saviors ministry that stirs my soul deeply. From studying the promises of Malachi, Moronis initial visit with Joseph, the Saviors words to the Nephites, and the visit of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple, I learn that God loves His children and has provided a way for each to return to Him. I know of no doctrine more just, no teaching that gives more hope than that of redemption of the dead. I am so grateful for the revelations that teach me that the Saviors Atonement reaches to those who have lived, loved, served, and hoped for a better day yet never heard of Jesus or had the opportunity to embrace His gospel. This knowledge alone would be sufficient to convert me to the gospel if I knew nothing else at all. Here, at least for me, is the ultimate testimony of Jesus Christ and His atoning sacrifice.
What, then, can be said of the incomparable saving power of Christ? That which Joseph Smith learned in the Sacred Grove about the power of righteousness overcoming evil foreshadows the final scene. So reveals the Lord:
I, having accomplished and finished the will of him whose I am, even the Father, concerning mehaving done this that I might subdue all things unto myself
Retaining all power, even to the destroying of Satan and his works at the end of the world, and the last great day of judgment (D&C 19:23).
Our own testimonies of the Savior are framed by the testimony and teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Is it any wonder then that the Prophet taught that the fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.6
Joseph Smiths apostolic testimony of the divine reality and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, as well as his knowledge of the redemptive and saving power of the Savior, can best be seen by the Prophets own beautiful, powerful, and succinct witness:
And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father
That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God (D&C 76:2224).
How grateful I am for the apostolic call of Joseph Smith.
4. The 116 pages were lost in June 1828. In July Joseph Smith received what is now section 3 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In September the plates were returned to the Prophet. See the historical introductions to D&C 3; 10.
This is newer than my resignation three years ago, or at least my last purchased copy of LDS scriptures.
Pretty sure this dates back before that. I was using my "mission" scriptures to look up JST examples, which have a copyright date of 1979. I think that is about the time they first included them.
You did not create the website, and I'm sure you didn't check them all any more than I did.
You are correct there. Thanks for not making a big deal about that.
Tell me though, really, how is it possible that they don't use the whole JST ? Seems like a slap in the face to Joseph Smith. He said God told him to do it, and it took him years, why just discard it like that ?
The common explanation is that Joseph never completed them. If you were following reaganaut and my side conversation, there are two published versions (non-LDS official, BTW) of the JST-side-by-side with the KJV, one from the '70s and one in the last few years. The selling point of the more recent one is that they gained access to the RLDS archives and extracted newly-found, non-published additional sections. To me that suggests that the 1970s version was incomplete, and therefore any earlier version was incomplete, too.
A secondary explanation that I have heard is that we choose to use the commonly accepted KJV in order to not alienate non-members. For example, some times someone brings in a non-KJV Bible and reads from it in a Sunday School class. Everyone else in the room is looking at the KJV, and looks puzzled at the non-familiar text. For the record, I enjoy comparing the various translations, to see how various people considered certain words or concepts.
I would suspect the actual answer includes both of these, as well as the animosity between the RLDS and the LDS, preventing easy early adoption.
We also don't use the parts we do have much. It is looked at as a study guide and not a compete text. But this last Sunday in the adult Sunday School class there was a lengthy reading from the JST in the appendix (I think it was from John 1 - we are studying the New Testament this year).
Actually, it was pulled because it was blasphemy.
I often ask and am allowed on caucus threads (mostly Catholic and Orthodox) because of my background in both of those faiths and my scholarship areas even though i am not actually a member of either caucus.
And it will probably be a cold day in Hell before I am invited or allowed in an LDS caucus thread.
To Whom It May Concern:
Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy
I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.
One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.
There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:
I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.
The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.
Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.
35. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
36. Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
37. They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
38. the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
HA ha ha!
POLYGAMY is STILL on the books!
MORMONism's book, anyway.
Just WHY don't you folks follow what GOD told you to do in D&C 132 instead of what the GOV'T tells you not to do?
My head might explode trying to keep track of it all. He butchered the bible.
I agree with Erasmus: “If I have a little money, I buy books. If I have any left over, I buy food and clothing”.
I also have large wish lists of books on amazon that I ask for for Christmas/Birthdays. lol
Wait another year or two and you should be able to pick up a used copy.
Good point, that. I may give it a try anyway.
It's not a joke, it's a deadly deception.
Besides, it rarely takes long to scan an LDS caucus thread. There's the post, a couple of high-fives, sometimes a few pulled posts from people who wandered in.
Thirty seconds tops.
I LOVE it!
HAve you reseached PD's infamous List-o-Links?
It might have TWO orgs on it...
.I have never been in a Mormon Temple....
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Nor would you be allowed. The LDS temples are only for the select few who are deemed ‘worthy’ by obeying legalistic rules and paying a full tithe.
Thanks, but I didn’t ask for a definition of “burning in the bosom”. I asked what brought you to believe that the bible is true.
The stop snarking about him to the fourth wall.
Just don’t teeter on looking like those of the Westboro Baptist Church...
I was booted from caucus threads while I was still officially a member of the LDS Church. That’s when I knew I had to officially resign. It was the Mormons here on FR that helped me understand it was time to cut the strings once and for all.
Questions and disagreement just aren’t allowed within Mormonism.
If the Bible is true, Mormonism is false. If Mormonism is true then the Bible is false.
real simple there.
I must give the mormon church credit however, they only did it once compared to 7 (I think) times for the witnesses.
"President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit. . . . it was the will of God that they should be ordained to the ministry and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, for the coming of the Lord, which was nigh even fifty six years should wind up the scene." (History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182).FLDS/LDS Prophet Joseph Smith 1835. The fifty-six years were passed by 1891.
I have scanned many entries involving Mormans and politics, but so far, have not seen anything about Howard Hughes’ connection to the church. According to one biographer a Wall Street Journal reporter, Hughes’ constant companions were Mormans, right to the end of his life. Senator Bennet, Utah, has mentioned on the Senate floor, his years of working for Howard Hughes. A biography of former attorney and Secretary of Defense, Clark Clifford, mentions that Hughes had Clifford on retainer of fifty years, though he never laid eyes on the man. Then . . . there was the Morman will.
Tithing was not a mosaic law, Abraham followed it, so it was not fulfilled, besides the early Christians followed it too.
How would you know?
IMHO Regardless of what denomination you are, all Bible followers should be paying tithing to their church
So your opinion on the matter is final?
....which is exactly the case with Mormonism and occults. They create an environment of artificial love and acceptance which is ‘not real’....rather all members are mindful of the various requirements they are to uphold and what it must ‘look like’ in order to gain the respectability of their membership and leadership. It is a self-serving fasade with the focus on works and ritualistic hoops one must go thru to achieve the next level of acceptance and “enlightenment”....and along the way Jesus’ name is attached merely as an afterthought in order to legitimize those endeavors.
Some who are simply lost or seeking require a gentle hand, others, being fully blinded by the machinations of the Evil One, need a little more "encouragement"...
And for those who attack and malign my Savior, my disdain and full rebuke...
From Foxe's Book of Martyrs: "Hermenigildus, a Gothic prince, was the eldest son of Leovigildus, a king of the Goths, in Spain. This prince, who was originally an Arian, became a convert to the orthodox faith, by means of his wife Ingonda. When the king heard that his son had changed his religious sentiments, he stripped him of the command at Seville, where he was governor, and threatened to put him to death unless he renounced the faith he had newly embraced. The prince, in order to prevent the execution of his father's menaces, began to put himself into a posture of defence; and many of the orthodox persuasion in Spain declared for him. The king, exasperated at this act of rebellion, began to punish all the orthodox Christians who could be seized by his troops, and thus a very severe persecution commenced: he likewise marched against his son at the head of a very powerful army. The prince took refuge in Seville, from which he fled, and was at length besieged and taken at Asieta. Loaded with chains, he was sent to Seville, and at the feast of Easter refusing to receive the Eucharist from an Arian bishop, the enraged king ordered his guards to cut the prince to pieces, which they punctually performed, April 13, A.D. 586."
In James’s proclamation to the Gentiles being born again (found in Acts fifteen, IIRC) I don’t find delph’s specious assertion corroborated.
X <———[ Placemarker ]
We know that is standard Mormon Belief:
I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
Thank you for such a kind post that is a reflection of what I think Jesus Christ would post...
The Bible makes it perfectly clear that there is not gift of Biblical Apostles of Jesus Christ TODAY
Sorry. We’ll just have to disagree on the correct translation of these things.
I guess you're the minority here, trying to stand up against a dozen of us single handedly at times.
I'm sure you were just busy and not waiting until you though T.P. had me stumped to answer.
Yep...and nice seeing you round and about...as always.
You mean "Word" of wisdonm, of course. Got it right here: Word of Wisdom
I have a news flash - the part about meat being used sparingly is pretty dang funny. If you broke a levitical law you had to make a sin offering of a slaughtered animal. That would be ironic .
Priest: OK next! Gimme the ox. What's the sin it's covering?
Mormon penitant: I had seconds at the BBQ. And I drank a six pack of Dr. Pepper
I never said not to pray at all. We are not to pray if something is true or not. Prayer is a conversation not a measurement of truth. I don’t need to pray to know the BoM is false. That can be discovered intellectually.
And don’t give me that, you know as well as I do that the ‘burning the the bosom’ or feelings is how the LDS gain their testimony.
I know Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and some Aramaic and have done work on the DSS. I know Jesus lived and died for me because I have studied the Bible, the MSS, and the external sources and have weighed the evidence of the Historical Jesus and the reliability of the Bible. Therefore, if the Bible is reliable and it tells me that Jesus lived and died on the cross for my sins then I believe it. Objective truth.
Your radio analogy makes no sense. Moroni’s promise is designed to elicit a certain response and if you don’t get that response it implies it is YOUR fault.
No a charlatan will convince people to pray about something that doesn’t need to be prayed about and tell them that if they don’t get a certain response then they aren’t doing it right.
Again, NOWHERE in the Bible are we told to pray about doctrine or if something is true or not. NOWHERE EVER. That is your first mistake. I prayed to know the truth no matter what it cost me and it cost me my Mormonism.
So, yes I would tell people investigating the LDS NOT to pray, because it is a way that SATAN deceives them and it is not biblical at all.
CAn't you WAIT?
My mouse needs anew battery!
Just FYI, Smith made it from Genesis 1 to the last book of his heavily edited version of Revelation. He completed his work.
So the only books I am buying these days tend to be things you cannot find on the internet. Biographies, specific science texts, etc. If it is reference, though, I struggle to purchase.
BTW, I am a descendant of Abraham with the genealogy to prove it. [Delphi user]
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Oh guys. Get a load of THIS claim. ROFLMAO
THEY only did it with GOD; while JS mingled with godS!
That in it's self is deceptive, because the Jesus Christ of mainstream Christianity has no apostle named Joseph Smith.
If the title would have said Joseph Smith: An Apostle of (the Mormon) Jesus Christ I doubt there would have been a problem.
There is a great divide between the Mormon jesus and the Christian Jesus Christ.
War? You exaggerate. No blood has been spilt; no harm has been done to us or the Lord's work.
I frequently disagree with what is written about Mormons and Mormonism here. Rather than complain about being mistreated, it is better to set the record straight. I appreciate the opportunity that Free Republic offers us to respond to attacks on our faith.
Restornu, what anti-Mormons do and say about us is far less a concern to me than what some Mormons do and say in response. Thin-skinned Mormons probably should not read critical articles.
Protestants, as I understand it, believe that there was a falling away, or apostasy from the the original church, or else they would not have broken off from Catholicism.
I understand that Catholics believe that the keys of the kingdom have been with the Roman Catholic Church from the beginning until now.
As far as the three Nephites are concerned (and John the Beloved), they were separated from the world by God for a particular mission. They are to tarry until the Lord comes, doing a special work.
They poke a stick at a pit bull and then complain when it snaps at them!
He’s made that claim on FR before, years ago. Sadly, I think he actually believes it!
“Jesus should have packed heat”
.rather all members are mindful of the various requirements they are to uphold and what it must look like in order to gain the respectability of their membership and leadership
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There is a guy named Shawn McCraney who wrote a book called “Born again Mormon” where he tells that even though he was an active Mormon he eventually became an atheist but still did what he was expected and was accepted just fine.
After he got saved, and started talking about Jesus and grace, he was shunned and told he wasn’t a ‘good Mormon’ anymore. Eventually he left.
It is an interesting read.
I was booted from caucus threads while I was still officially a member of the LDS Church.
***Ok, that’s something I had not considered. I’m glad you were shown the light of truth through this exercise.
Well that makes sense. As with everything LDS, it is all about the numbers...