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The 70 Weeks of Daniel (Dispensational Caucus)
BibleProphecyBlog.com ^ | January 9, 2011 | Jack Kelley

Posted on 01/09/2011 10:20:14 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

Many believe that Daniel 9:24-27 is the most important passage of prophecy in all of Scripture. Almost every mistake I’ve run across in studying the various interpretations of End Times Prophecy can be traced back to a misunderstanding of this passage. Let’s begin the year with an updated and expanded study of this important prophecy.

Before plowing into it we’ll back up a little and review the context. Daniel was an old man, probably in his eighties. He’d been in Babylon for nearly 70 years and knew from reading the recently completed scroll of Jeremiah’s writings (specifically the part we know as Jeremiah 25:8-11) that the 70-year captivity God had ordained for Israel was just about over (Daniel 9:2).

The reason for the captivity had been Israel’s insistence upon worshiping the false gods of their pagan neighbors. Its duration of 70 years came from the fact that for 490 years they had failed to let their farmland lie fallow one year out of every seven as God had commanded in Leviticus 25:1-7. The Lord had been patient all that time but finally had sent them to Babylon to give the land the 70 years of rest that were due it. (2 Chron. 36:21)

The beginning of Daniel 9 documents Daniel’s prayer, reminding the Lord that the 70 year time of punishment was nearly over and asking for mercy on behalf of his people. Before he could finish his prayer, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and spoke the words that we know as Daniel 9:24-27. Let’s read the whole thing to get the overview and then take it apart verse by verse.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble. After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (Daniel 9:24-27).

No prophecy in all of Scripture is more critical to our understanding of the end times than these four verses. A few basic clarifications are in order first, then we’ll interpret the passage verse by verse. The Hebrew word translated weeks (or sevens) refers to a period of 7 years, like the English word decade refers to a period of 10 years. It literally means “a week of years.” So 70 weeks is 70 X 7 years or 490 years. This period is divided into three parts, 7 weeks or 49 years, 62 weeks or 434 years, and 1 week or 7 years. Let’s begin.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy (place)." (Daniel 9:24).

Sitting upon His heavenly throne, God decreed that six things would be accomplished for Daniel’s people (Israel) and Daniel’s Holy City (Jerusalem) during a specified period of 490 years. (I’ve inserted the word “place” after Holy at the end of the verse to clarify the fact that it refers to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.)

We should be aware that in Hebrew these things read a little differently. Literally, God had determined to;

1. restrict or restrain the transgression (also translated rebellion)
2. seal up their sins (as if putting them away in a sealed container)
3. make atonement (restitution) for their iniquity
4. bring them into a state of everlasting righteousness
5. seal up (same word as #2) vision and prophecy
6. anoint (consecrate) the most Holy place (sanctuary)

In plain language, God would put an end to their rebellion against Him, put away their sins and pay the penalties they had accrued, bring the people into a state of perpetual righteousness, fulfill the remaining prophecies, and anoint the Temple. This was to be accomplished through their Messiah (Jesus) because no one else could do it. Had they accepted Him as their savior their rebellion against God would have ended. Their sins would have all been forgiven, and the full penalty paid for them. They would have entered into a state of eternal righteousness, all their prophecies would have been fulfilled and the rebuilt temple would have been consecrated. It should be noted here that although it appears to have been accepted by Him, God never dwelt in the 2nd Temple, nor was the ark of the covenant and its mercy seat ever present therein.

"Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until The Anointed One the Ruler comes there will be seven weeks and sixty two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench but in times of trouble." (Daniel 9:25).

Here is a clear prophecy of the timing of the First Coming. When this message was given to Daniel by the angel Gabriel, Jerusalem had lain in ruin for nearly 70 years and the Jews were captive in Babylon. Counting forward for 62 + 7 periods of 7 years each (a total of 483 years) from a future decree giving the Jews permission to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, they should expect the Messiah.

To avoid confusion, it’s important to distinguish the decree that freed the Jews from their captivity from the one that gave them permission to rebuild Jerusalem.

When he conquered Babylon in 535BC Cyrus the Persian immediately freed the Jews. It had been prophesied 150 years earlier in Isaiah 44:24-45:6 and was fulfilled in Ezra 1:1-4. But according to Nehemiah 2:1 the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was given in the first month of the 20th year of his reign by King Artaxerxes of Persia (March of 445 BC on our calendar, about 90 years later). Exactly 483 years after that decree the Lord Jesus rode in to Jerusalem on a donkey to shouts of “Hosanna”! It was the only day in His life that He permitted His followers to proclaim Him as Israel’s King, fulfilling Daniel’s prophecy to the day! The Hebrew in Daniel 9:25 calls Him Messiah the Prince, denoting the fact that He was coming as the Anointed Son of the King and was not yet crowned King Himself.

In Luke 19:41-45, Jesus reminded the people of the specific nature of this prophecy. As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said,

“If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace – but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

He held them accountable for knowing Daniel 9:24-27.

A few days later He extended that accountability to those who would be alive in Israel during the End Times.

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel – let the reader understand – then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (Matt 24:15-16)

They will also be required to understand Daniel 9.

"After the sixty two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue till the end and desolations have been decreed." (Daniel 9:26).

First came 7 sevens (49 years) and then 62 sevens (434 years) for a total of 69 sevens or 483 years. The Hebrew word for Anointed One is Mashaich (Messiah in English). At the end of this 2nd period their Messiah would be cut off, which means to be executed or literally destroyed in the making of a covenant, having received none of the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promised Him.

Make no mistake about it. Jesus had to die so these 6 promises could come true. No one else in Heaven or on Earth could accomplish this. We can only imagine how different things would have been if they had accepted Him as their Messiah and let Him die for their sins so He could bring them into everlasting righteousness with His resurrection. But of course God knew they wouldn’t, so He had to do things the hard way.

Do you realize what that means? It wasn’t killing the Messiah that put the Jews at odds with God. After all He came to die for them. No. It’s that in killing Him, they refused to let His death pay for their sins so He could save them. This had the effect of making His death meaningless to them. That’s what severed the relationship.

Because of that, we now get the first hint that all would not go well. Following the crucifixion the people of a ruler yet to come would destroy Jerusalem and the Temple, the same Temple that God decreed would be consecrated. The Israelites would be scattered abroad and peace would elude the world.

We all know that Jesus was crucified and 38 years later the Romans put the torch to the city and the Temple destroying both. Surviving Jews were forced to flee for their lives and in the ensuing 2000 years I don’t believe a single generation has escaped involvement in a war of some kind.

After the crucifixion something strange happened: The Heavenly clock stopped. 69 of the 70 weeks had passed and all that was prophesied to happen during those 483 years had come to pass but there was still one week (7 years) left. There are hints in the Old Testament that the clock had stopped several times before in Israel’s history when for one reason or another they were either under subjugation or out of the land. And in the New Testament we’re also given hints that while God is dealing with the Church, time ceases to exist for Israel (Acts 15:13-18). But the clearest indication of the stopped clock is that the events foretold in Daniel 9:27 simply haven’t happened yet.

"He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the Temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." (9:27).

It’s vital to our understanding of the End Times that we realize two things here. First, the Age of Grace didn’t follow the Age of Law, it merely interrupted the Age of Law seven years short of its promised duration. These seven years have to be completed for God to accomplish the six things the angel listed in verse 24 for Israel.

And second, the Age of Grace was not the next step in the progression of God’s overall plan, but was a deviation from it. Once the rapture comes, nothing like the Age of Grace will ever happen again (Ephes. 2:6-7). Even when Israel accepts the New Covenant, as Jeremiah 31:31-34 promises, they won’t enjoy the same benefits the Church has enjoyed. The relationship the Church has with the Lord will never be repeated with any other group. Ever.

But before we try to understand the 70th week let’s review a rule of grammar that will help make our interpretation correct. The rule is this: Pronouns refer us back to the closest previous noun. “He”, being a personal pronoun, refers to the closest previous personal noun, in this case the “ruler who will come.” So a ruler who will come from the territory of the old Roman Empire will confirm a 7 year covenant with Israel that permits them to build a Temple and re-instate their Old Covenant worship system. 3 1/2 years later he will violate the covenant by setting up an abomination that causes the Temple to become desolate, putting an end to their worship. This abomination brings the wrath of God down upon him and he will be destroyed.

The most obvious way in which we know these things haven’t happened is that the Jewish Old Covenant worship system requires a Temple and there hasn’t been one since 70 AD when the Romans destroyed it.

Some say this prophecy was fulfilled during the Roman destruction but most believe it’s yet future, partly because of the term Abomination that causes Desolation. It’s a specific insult to God that has happened only once previously. Antiochus Epiphanes, a powerful Syrian king, had attacked Jerusalem and entered the Temple area in 168BC. There he had sacrificed a pig on the Temple altar and erected a statue of the Greek god Zeus with his own face on it. He then required everyone to worship it on pain of death. This rendered the Temple unfit for worshiping God and so incensed the Jews that they revolted and defeated the Syrians. This is all recorded in Jewish history (1st Maccabees) where it’s called the Abomination of Desolation. The subsequent cleansing of the Temple is celebrated to this day in the Feast of Hanukkah.

Paul warned us that in the latter days a world leader will become so powerful that he will exalt himself above everything that is called god or is worshiped and will stand in the Temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). In Rev 13:14-15 we’re told that he’ll have a statue of himself erected and require everyone to worship it on pain of death. In Matt 24:15-21 Jesus said that the Abomination that causes Desolation spoken of by Daniel will kick off the Great Tribulation, a period of time 3 1/2 years long that coincides with the last half of Daniel’s 70th week. The similarities between this coming event and the one from history being so obvious, most scholars are persuaded that one points to the other since nothing in the intervening years fits so completely.

Soon and Very Soon

A new leader will soon emerge on the scene, a man with great personal charisma. Following a devastating war in the Middle East he’ll present a plan to restore peace, by which he will quickly captivate and control the world. Since all true believers will have recently disappeared from Earth in the rapture of the Church, he’ll have no trouble persuading most remaining inhabitants that he is the promised Messiah, the Prince of Peace. He will astound and amaze them all with feats of diplomacy and conquest, even performing the supernatural.

When he claims to be God, all hell will break loose on Earth and 3 1/2 years of the most terrible times mankind has ever known will threaten their very existence. But before they’re all destroyed the real Prince of Peace will return and overthrow this impostor. He will set up His kingdom on earth, a kingdom that will never be destroyed or left to another.

Having given His life to finish transgression, put an end to sin, atone for wickedness and bring in everlasting righteousness, and having fulfilled all Biblical vision and prophecy, He will anoint the most Holy Place and receive all the honor, glory and blessing the Scriptures promise Him. Israel will finally have her Kingdom back and will live in peace with God in her midst forever. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.


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1 posted on 01/09/2011 10:20:15 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Deo confidimus; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/09/2011 10:21:45 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

GN,
Pretty well laid out. Thanks for posting!
ampu


3 posted on 01/09/2011 10:27:28 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: lookout88
I don’t believe in the rapture.

Then you're denying Scripture which means you believe God doesn't tell the truth.

We are here at this time for something.

We're here for something but that doesn't mean the Bible isn't inerrant and completely true and trustworthy. The fact that we're here for something doesn't negate the entirety of the Scripture.

5 posted on 01/09/2011 10:39:06 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Imnidiot
The only knowledge I get about the Rapture is from God's book.

Where do the deniers get their information?

7 posted on 01/09/2011 10:57:10 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Imnidiot
The Rapture Scriptures are pretty straightforward and clear and very difficult to understand any other way than the way they were written.

And as for when the time for the Rapture will be, Jesus told us very plainly that when we see the signs He gave for His return begin to happen, that our "redemption draws nigh". As has been documented on FR many, many times, we are now in the time when we are witnessing those signs given by Jesus happening all at once and in conjunction with each other.

So basically, there isn't much contention among those who take the Word of God as He wrote it: literally and without any additions or subtractions by man or any allegorizing of His Word into meaninglessness. It isn't confusing to us at all and there is no reason to "contend" anything.

10 posted on 01/09/2011 11:10:46 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Imnidiot

No problem and no hurt feelings.


11 posted on 01/09/2011 11:12:53 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Imnidiot
"Most everybody believes Jesus will come in the air to take us home..."

Actually, 'home' comes to us in the form of the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven at the end of the millenial reign. That is the place he prepared for us to dwell with him forever. This coincides with the resurrection of 'the rest of the dead'.

And it's probably a little over a couple of hundred years before the tribulation begins with Christ's return at the end when the first resurrection (aka 'rapture') occurs.

13 posted on 01/09/2011 11:25:00 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Generally OK but the author is wrong about the Age of Grace. It was always coming; Christ was the Lamb slain from (even before) the foundation of the Earth. He was always going to be sacrificed for sins because it’s the only way God can deal with our sin.

Ephesians 1:4 KJV
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

1 Peter 1:19-20 (King James Version)

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


14 posted on 01/09/2011 11:47:21 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Right on Gio! Good lesson. I’m waiting for The Gathering!
Please God, let it be soon.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 12:05:28 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever!)
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To: F15Eagle; GiovannaNicoletta
Generally OK but the author is wrong about the Age of Grace.

I agree with you.

I believe that Job speaks of Grace in Job 19:25-28.

I also believe that the "church" age is erroneous as well.

Ekklesia first occurs in Deuteronomy 4:10.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
16 posted on 01/09/2011 12:11:32 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Religion Moderator

In light of the fact that Iscool was responding to a poster who made a choice to engage on a thread designated Caucus, well aware of the type of response he would get, I’d like this thread to remain a Caucus.


18 posted on 01/09/2011 12:46:39 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Iscool

Meant to ping you on this, Iscool.


19 posted on 01/09/2011 12:48:20 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: topcat54

Why are you posting on a Dispensational Caucus thread?


21 posted on 01/09/2011 2:11:06 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Iscool; topcat54

Do not post on caucus threads unless you are a member of that caucus.

If you don’t agree with the caucus label, send a FR mail to the Religion Moderator.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 2:54:18 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Lee N. Field
Are you a member of this caucus ?

25 posted on 01/09/2011 2:56:47 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

To anyone interested in this subject, check out the book, “The Coming Prince” by Sir Robert Anderson.


26 posted on 01/09/2011 3:01:35 PM PST by Arcy
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To: Arcy
I've heard of this book before. Thanks for the reminder!

I'm looking it up now....

27 posted on 01/09/2011 3:06:26 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

THX FOR THE PING.

Looks like a good topic . . . If I ever get caught up.


28 posted on 01/09/2011 3:31:53 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: lookout88; All

The only reason we are still here is to finish the job God gave us as Christians to do...present the Gospel until the fulness of the Gentiles is completed. God knows when the numbers are all in...

However, any one else notice the numbers of those who will even listen have dropped substantially over this past decade? The push now seems to have gone overseas as many in America continue to drink the kool-aid of deception.


29 posted on 01/09/2011 4:06:52 PM PST by caww
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Giovanna,

I am not sure I would call myself a dispensationlist, but I do believe in much of this article, though there are differences of opinion in the Christian Community even among dispensationlists it seems.

It’s rather like the differences between those who say they are Calvinists and Armenians....there are certain things from both I tend which seems to sit well with me..not to mention the Evangelical.

And so I do request I might be a part of this thread for I am here to learn and ask questions which might clarify some things. I will await your response.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 4:13:38 PM PST by caww
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To: Admin Moderator; GiovannaNicoletta
Do not post on caucus threads unless you are a member of that caucus.

If I stepped beyond the caucus guidlines, I apologize...Please let this thread continue as a caucus thread...And yes, I am a member of this caucus...

Thanks

31 posted on 01/09/2011 4:35:01 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: caww

“However, any one else notice the numbers of those who will even listen have dropped substantially over this past decade?”

From what I’ve seen, many are those who believed it 20 or 30 years ago, and when it didn’t happen in 4-5 years, they gave up and now fight against it. Such is the case with one writer who has been against it for years. I think it’s Dave McPherson.

Because things didn’t happen when they thought they should.


32 posted on 01/09/2011 4:52:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Now that’s an interesting thought. Never looked at it from that perspective but you may be right. But then they did set dates and times in opposition to our being told not to do that....had they remained open God’s time and with His purposes in mind they might not have walked away...troublesome that they would too...makes one wonder what type of commitment they made to Him in the first place.

We humans so want to control all aspects of our life and the hereafter I think! Makes us fools. Better a co-operative approach with God.


33 posted on 01/09/2011 5:06:20 PM PST by caww
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
"Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and your Holy City to finish transgression, to put an end to sin,..."

Does this happen at the end of the tribulation? If so, does sin start up again when Satan is loosed from his prison?

34 posted on 01/09/2011 6:39:53 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0

The tribulation period is the last of the seventy weeks: the seventieth week.

Satan is not loosed until the end of the Millenial Reign and only for a short season, then banished completely.

Revelation 20 (King James Version)

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


36 posted on 01/09/2011 7:04:40 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: topcat54; Imnidiot; lookout88

This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Dispensationalist Caucus” meaning if you do not currently hold dispensationist beliefs DO NOT post on this thread.


37 posted on 01/09/2011 7:25:55 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: F15Eagle

You didn’t address my question. If sin is present at the end of the millennium, how could it have ended at the end of the tribulation?


38 posted on 01/09/2011 7:42:51 PM PST by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 01/09/2011 8:52:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Apparently the RM got his/her feelings hurt. My posts were removed.
A quick question: What does dispensationalism mean? Maybe I have the same beliefs without knowing the “proper” name for them.


41 posted on 01/09/2011 9:26:01 PM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: caww; F15Eagle
We humans so want to control all aspects of our life and the hereafter I think! Makes us fools. Better a co-operative approach with God.

This, to me, is an EXTREMELY valid point, ESPECIALLY with those that dogmatically oppose dispensationalism. They are against a rapture and tribulation period, because it disrupts THEIR lives. THEIR idea is that life is THEM and THEIR taking dominion over the earth. Its about raising THEIR families and THEM creating a “christian” world, that Christ will some day return to, already conquered and possessed.

I have friends in this camp. Their concern to me, seems to be more about their families and the things they want. Oh sure they’re christians, I have no doubt. But, they want strong families and strong churches, but I don’t see missions being an urgency. Oh, they believe in missions, but its more out of eventuality, instead of urgency.

What I see out of this then is that missions or presenting the Gospel is more about “being” a good christian and not near enough wanting to save souls from damnation.

One is about THEM, being good christians, the other is about seeing OTHERS as lost, and an urgency for the harvest.

Why be urgent if you view Christs return far off? Why be urgent if your view is about eventual dominion?

Everything that fits into a nice tidy box.

42 posted on 01/09/2011 9:49:10 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Imnidiot
Dispensationalism is believing that God deals with man in progressive stages or dispensations.

That God dealt mainly with Israel in the OT, but post resurrection became the church age. We take a literal view of prophecy and that prophecy is still to be fulfilled, with an upcoming rapture and tribulation period, followed by a 1000 year millenial reign, followed by Satan being loosed for a time and then a new heaven and new earth/ eternity.

Now, within dispensationalism there is a split amongst those who believe in a pre trib, mid trib or post trib rapture of the church.

Also, within dispensationalism, Israel is still in covenant with God and HAS NOT been replaced by the church, but gentiles have been brought into Gods covenant, but Israel will once again be Gods focal point during the tribulation period and afterwards.

43 posted on 01/09/2011 10:04:56 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

Thank you for your quick reply.
Your description sounds fine to me. From what you said, I fit in just fine with this crowd.
Thanks again, mountn man.


44 posted on 01/09/2011 10:14:39 PM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Good teaching!

You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. AMEN!!
45 posted on 01/09/2011 10:36:08 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mountn man
Israel is still in covenant with God and HAS NOT been replaced by the church, but gentiles have been brought into Gods covenant, but Israel will once again be Gods focal point during the tribulation period and afterwards.

Well then that settles that for me. Looks like I am a dispensationalist after all...at least based on the information posted here and those in my e-mail. Still there are questions about this pre-trib..Post. etc. I do tend to lean toward Pre-tribulation...I think at best we may "see" the positioning/alighnment on the world stage coming into view...but then that was also seen over the years as well................................................................................... I sometimes think God laughs with us as we try and figure out what He's up to.

46 posted on 01/09/2011 10:37:17 PM PST by caww
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Psalms 27:5 - For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.


47 posted on 01/10/2011 4:26:42 AM PST by mitch5501 (fine!)
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To: caww; Imnidiot
DISPENSATIONALISM

Here's a link that better describes it. I had to actually look it up last night just to be able to give the brief description that I did.

I don't care for words or titles to describe me, or belonging to this group or that group. I read the word of God, and see what IT has to say, and if I happen to fall into one group or another, so be it.

Giovanna pinged me, so I supposed I belonged here.

48 posted on 01/10/2011 6:27:43 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

Thank you MM.


49 posted on 01/10/2011 10:57:01 AM PST by caww
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To: GourmetDan
Jesus said:

“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."

This Scripture speaks of the Rapture, when Jesus "comes again" and takes those who know Him as Savior back to where He has "(prepared) a place for (us)".

The New Jerusalem does not appear on the scene until the Millennial reign, when Christians will already be with Jesus on earth. Our "home", when the Rapture occurs, is in Heaven during the duration of the seven-year Tribulation.

50 posted on 01/10/2011 3:06:31 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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