Posted on 01/09/2011 10:20:14 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
Apparently the RM got his/her feelings hurt. My posts were removed.
A quick question: What does dispensationalism mean? Maybe I have the same beliefs without knowing the “proper” name for them.
This, to me, is an EXTREMELY valid point, ESPECIALLY with those that dogmatically oppose dispensationalism. They are against a rapture and tribulation period, because it disrupts THEIR lives. THEIR idea is that life is THEM and THEIR taking dominion over the earth. Its about raising THEIR families and THEM creating a “christian” world, that Christ will some day return to, already conquered and possessed.
I have friends in this camp. Their concern to me, seems to be more about their families and the things they want. Oh sure they’re christians, I have no doubt. But, they want strong families and strong churches, but I don’t see missions being an urgency. Oh, they believe in missions, but its more out of eventuality, instead of urgency.
What I see out of this then is that missions or presenting the Gospel is more about “being” a good christian and not near enough wanting to save souls from damnation.
One is about THEM, being good christians, the other is about seeing OTHERS as lost, and an urgency for the harvest.
Why be urgent if you view Christs return far off? Why be urgent if your view is about eventual dominion?
Everything that fits into a nice tidy box.
That God dealt mainly with Israel in the OT, but post resurrection became the church age. We take a literal view of prophecy and that prophecy is still to be fulfilled, with an upcoming rapture and tribulation period, followed by a 1000 year millenial reign, followed by Satan being loosed for a time and then a new heaven and new earth/ eternity.
Now, within dispensationalism there is a split amongst those who believe in a pre trib, mid trib or post trib rapture of the church.
Also, within dispensationalism, Israel is still in covenant with God and HAS NOT been replaced by the church, but gentiles have been brought into Gods covenant, but Israel will once again be Gods focal point during the tribulation period and afterwards.
Thank you for your quick reply.
Your description sounds fine to me. From what you said, I fit in just fine with this crowd.
Thanks again, mountn man.
Well then that settles that for me. Looks like I am a dispensationalist after all...at least based on the information posted here and those in my e-mail. Still there are questions about this pre-trib..Post. etc. I do tend to lean toward Pre-tribulation...I think at best we may "see" the positioning/alighnment on the world stage coming into view...but then that was also seen over the years as well................................................................................... I sometimes think God laughs with us as we try and figure out what He's up to.
Psalms 27:5 - For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
Here's a link that better describes it. I had to actually look it up last night just to be able to give the brief description that I did.
I don't care for words or titles to describe me, or belonging to this group or that group. I read the word of God, and see what IT has to say, and if I happen to fall into one group or another, so be it.
Giovanna pinged me, so I supposed I belonged here.
Thank you MM.
“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3“If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."
This Scripture speaks of the Rapture, when Jesus "comes again" and takes those who know Him as Savior back to where He has "(prepared) a place for (us)".
The New Jerusalem does not appear on the scene until the Millennial reign, when Christians will already be with Jesus on earth. Our "home", when the Rapture occurs, is in Heaven during the duration of the seven-year Tribulation.
Posted before I realized I had to be a caucus member and agree with the caucus to participate.
And sin does not end at the end of the Tribulation. Those people who accept Christ during the Tribulation, and survive those seven years, will go into the Millennial reign in their mortal bodies. They will not have received resurrected bodies as of that time and, while they will have received salvation and forgiveness of sin, they will be like people are now - they will have the capacity to sin.
They will also be repopulating the earth, meaning they will be having children and those children will have children who will be born into the world with a sin nature and in need of the same forgiveness and salvation that man has needed since the fall. Some of them will accept Christ's free gift of eternal life, and some won't. There will still be sin during the Millennium, it just won't be as interwoven into every single aspect of life like it is now, it will, for the most part be kept private and hidden, and with Christ in charge of all governments, sin will be dealt with swiftly and severely.
By the time Satan is loosed from hell for a short time to deceive the nations, there will be several generations of still-sinning man on the earth with no memory of the horrors and judgment that sin brought on the earth. There will be many people at that time who, again, like man has since Adam and Eve, choose to reject God in favor of Satan.
So while there will still be sin after the Tribulation and during the Millennium, at the end of the thousand year reign the point will be driven home yet again and for the final time that God is right, that the heart of man is "desperately wicked", and that God was correct all along in how He dealt with sin in providing man a way of reconciliation with Him and forgiveness and freedom from enslavement to sin and the eternal consequences for sin, and His righteous judgment of sin and punishment for sin.
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