Mohler takes on 'theistic evolution'

Associated Baptist Press ^ | January 13, 2011 | Bob Allen

[balch3]

Nail meet hammer. Dr Mohler is an intellectual giant.

[Goldsborough]

Giants do not exist.

[Grunthor]

The argument that Darwin is right and that evolution is how we became thinking, feeling humans is unimaginative, unproven hocum.

Young earth theory...ditto.

[RnMomof7]

My Pastor believes in theistic evolution ... it seems to be a popular PCA heresy these days

[stormer]

[PetroniusMaximus]

“My Pastor believes in theistic evolution ... it seems to be a popular PCA heresy these days”

Chalk it up to intellectualism in the denomination.

[11th_VA]

This has the potential to be a ‘Five Figure’ thread !!!

[onthelookout777]

Some helpful resources:

http://www.icr.org/

http://deanbible.org/andromeda.php?q=f&f=%2FAudio+Files%2FWHBC+Guest+Speakers+and+Conferences%2FChafer+Theological+Seminary+Pastors+Conferences%2F2010+-+Chafer+Theological+Seminary+Pastors+Conf

[balch3]

thanks!

[BenKenobi]

So we have observations of monkeys becoming people?

[stormer]

I don’t think so, but what has that got to do with evolution?

[angryoldfatman]

Sorry Ben, you’ve got to know the pedantic trap that being set here.

Stormy here will say that we didn’t come from monkeys; instead, we and monkeys come from a common ancestor.

Which for all intents and purposes was a monkey, but to the pedant it wasn’t a monkey because hey, monkeys didn’t exist yet. Some bugaboo ancestor existed that has bones lying in a tarpit somewhere waiting to be found. And it looks strangely like a monkey.

[angryoldfatman]

Like this ancestor.



Oh wait, except it's not an ancestor. It's just another monkey... er, ah... lemur.

[Ira_Louvin]

The scientific theory of evolution has shown that modern humans and “monkeys” share a common ancestor, it does not state that monkeys became people.

Your misrepresentation of science only makes you look foolish. Doesn’t the 9th commandment say something about bearing false witness?

[PastorJimCM]

We have come to realize that only adult species can produce offspring of its kind. Recently scientists in England ‘discovered’ that the chicken came first - the egg just cannot appear. Biblical Christians knew that from Genesis 1 - thousands of years ago.
All scientists know the first and second Laws of Thermodynamics; thus, they realize that life CANNOT come from non-life. They also realize that things move from order to disorder not the other way around.
EXCEPT in their theory of evolution - which they have not been able to repeat in the lab. So much for science.
Also, in the Greek language there are at least three words for life - one refers to the body, one to the mind, and one to the spirit/soul of man.
Evolutionists only speak of ‘bios’ the body. They don’t even have answers as to how we acquired our minds and the ability to think abstractly. They don’t have answers to the heart (conscience or enthusiasm and vitality in life.)
I believe that takes a much bigger leap of faith to believe in evolution than it does to belive in God and special creation.

[James C. Bennett]

What does the Second Law of Thermodynamics have to do with your assertion that 'life cannot come from non-life'?

Recently scientists in England ‘discovered’ that the chicken came first - the egg just cannot appear.

It only takes common sense. If the egg came first, how could it hatch without a chicken having incubated it? You don't need mythology to figure that one out.

[BenKenobi]

So then there’s no observations of monkeys becoming people.

Thank you.

[aruanan]

The scientific theory of evolution has shown that modern humans and “monkeys” share a common ancestor, it does not state that monkeys became people.

Well, you're a bit wrong for two reasons. First, the "scientific" theory of evolution at one time claimed that the orangutan was the ancestor of the mongoloid race, the gorilla the ancestor of the negroid race, and the chimpanzee the ancestor of the caucasian race (that was back before any of us alive now were born). After further study showed that to be impossible they started positing that both the great apes and humans had a common ancestor. It was later posited that various representatives of zinjanthropus were ancestors of something that was the ancestor of something else that was the ancestor of the modern human. But just remember, there's a whole lot of positing going on, not because the evidence requires it, but because presuppositions made necessary by certain forms of the theory required it.

[BenKenobi]

Evolution isn’t a scientific theory. Scientific theories are based around observational evidence.

Faith, however doesn’t require observational evidence. So the faith of Darwinism trumps the science of speciation.

[Persevero]

“it seems to be a popular PCA heresy these days”

It seems to be making some inroads into the OPC also, via “Framework Theory.”