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Jewish Pentecostal Reaches Jews with the Gospel
The Christian Post ^ | January 15, 2011 | Eryn Sun

Posted on 01/18/2011 10:47:30 AM PST by wmfights

Two thousand years of history have shown the Jewish people that Christians are their worst enemies, a Messianic rabbi pointed out.

“Jews were told you must convert or be killed. If we ignore the history, we’ll never really understand why it’s so difficult to reach the Jewish people with the Gospel,” Jeff Friedman emphasized.

Friedman himself grew up hating Christians. While attending an Orthodox Jewish synagogue regularly in Brooklyn, N.Y., he said he had some brief encounters with Christians and found them offensive, according to Pentecostal Evangel, a publication of the Assemblies of God.

It wasn’t until he was in his late 20s that he began to understand Yeshua, or Jesus. And it was at the most unlikely of places – his hair salon.

After moving to Miami as part of his job as a government pharmacist, Friedman went to get a haircut one day in 1980 where he met Mitzi, his hairstylist. She was a Jewish woman who attended an Assemblies of God church.

“She saw an emptiness in me, and understood that,” Friedman recalled. “I didn’t understand it, so I tried to fill up the empty places with everything that the world had; all that did was leave me more hungry.”

Mitzi was able to tap into that, he explained to The Christian Post. She challenged me to read from the Scriptures – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Psalms – and she showed me the Messiah. For the first time in my life, I was challenged with this question, ‘Who is this Messiah?’”

A week later, Friedman came to faith in Yeshua after accepting an invitation to a Christmas party at the church.

“When I started to read the prophecies of God, it was inescapable. I discovered in the older covenant scriptures that this man that the gentiles call Jesus must be the Messiah,” Friedman said.

Now a founder of Jacob’s Hope, an outreach ministry for the Assemblies of God, and a licensed AG minister and Messianic rabbi, Friedman aims to bring this same hope to Jewish people around the world by providing humanitarian and medical aid, and sharing the Good News of the Messiah.

Friedman noted that although many people are supporting Jewish ministries that provide humanitarian aid – the Gospel is not shared, so people aren’t being evangelized. Jacob’s Hope is working to change this.

Jacob’s Hope currently serves in Belarus, Germany, Ukraine, Ethiopia, and Israel, providing humanitarian aid, food, and medical care; training and equipping local pastors and Messianic rabbis to minister more effectively to their communities; distributing Bibles, books, and equipment; building worship and job training centers; and lastly sharing the Gospel of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua to the Jewish people.

“Gentile Christians live in poverty all over the world, but at least they have faith – something to cling on to. But most Jewish people scattered all over the world have nothing and no one. They are spiritually and physically in poverty,” Friedman said.

Hundreds of Jews enter the centers of Jacob’s Hope every month, and a percentage of those people ask questions about why the missionaries are here and why they’re doing what they’re doing. The volunteers and workers have a simple response.

We’re here because of the Messiah, he declared.

Friedman also explained, “We tell them and have a sign that says that all the material they receive comes from Christians from America who love the people of Israel, the Jewish people.”

Over ninety percent of Jews have not heard a culturally relevant presentation of the Gospel. The hopeful Friedman, joining a growing number of modern Messianic Jews today, is seeking to help the Jewish people understand that the terrible things done to them “in the name of Jesus” were not done by true believers and the Messiah who loved them.

“It’s important that we put the Gospel back into its original Jewish context. This Jewish man Jesus, the greatest Jew who ever lived, who kept the law of Moses perfectly, who said 'I come to seek and save the lost sheep of Israel;' he loved the Jewish people.”

He shared his personal convictions from Romans 10 – “Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved.”

Friedman works alongside his wife, Vixie, as well as three other AG missionary couples including Chris and Shawna, Jeff and Tammy, and Michael and Judith.

The enthusiastic rabbi soon plans to take 20 health care professionals with him into Ethiopia for eight days in order to minister to thousands of lost Jews with hope for salvation.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach
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Friedman noted that although many people are supporting Jewish ministries that provide humanitarian aid – the Gospel is not shared, so people aren’t being evangelized. Jacob’s Hope is working to change this.


1 posted on 01/18/2011 10:47:33 AM PST by wmfights
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To: wmfights

“Two thousand years of history have shown the Jewish people that Christians are their worst enemies, a Messianic rabbi pointed out. “Jews were told you must convert or be killed...” Strange how Jews forget that whole Jews persecuting Christians thing.


2 posted on 01/18/2011 10:51:46 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: wmfights

“Jewish Pentacostal”? You guys just make stuff up now?


3 posted on 01/18/2011 10:53:03 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thought u might like


4 posted on 01/18/2011 10:53:13 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: wmfights

Keep it to yourselves, JfJs.


5 posted on 01/18/2011 11:16:13 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: vladimir998

It’s difficult to compare 37 years of persecution (from 33 to 70 AD) with almost 2,000 years of the same. It’s a sad fact that antisemitism is alive and well among some Christians to this day. In Europe if you mention the word “Jew” to your typical Pole, Hungarian, Frenchman, or Spaniard you may be shocked at the reaction. Certainly not universal, and it’s more the exception than the rule in America, but it hasn’t entirely died.


6 posted on 01/18/2011 11:19:11 AM PST by katana
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To: wmfights
To know the Messianic Jews is a blessing.
7 posted on 01/18/2011 11:30:07 AM PST by americanmother (I)
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To: vladimir998

Actually, Jewish people never cared about non-Jewish Christians, merely heretical Jewish people.

As a fan and defender of the Inquisition, surely you can undestand that.


8 posted on 01/18/2011 11:33:10 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: katana

So the typical Pole, Hungarian, Frenchman or Spainard is a Christian? Funny, but that attitude is exactly what this article is pointing out. The persecution of the Jews by “Christians” in the past and even today is largely done by those who are not actually Christians.

Unlike Judiasm, being born into a family that proclaims Christ does not mean you are a Christian. True Christians, by definition, cannot hate Jews. If you see someone who claims Christ, but who hates Christ’s people, you’re dealing with someone who has not been indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God and is, therefore, not a Christian.

And if that upsets some who claim Christ, but hate the Jews, that’s just tough. Your argument is with God, not me. Take it up with Him.


9 posted on 01/18/2011 11:54:01 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: katana

You wrote:

“It’s difficult to compare 37 years of persecution (from 33 to 70 AD) with almost 2,000 years of the same.”

Well, since there wasn’t 2,000 years of the “same” no I don’t find it so hard to compare.

“It’s a sad fact that antisemitism is alive and well among some Christians to this day.”

Among some, yes. And anti-Christian hatred is alive and well among some Jews.

“In Europe if you mention the word “Jew” to your typical Pole, Hungarian, Frenchman, or Spaniard you may be shocked at the reaction.”

Having been to Europe 8 times no, I don’t think most Europeans could shock me and I think they rarely think of Jews in the first place.

“Certainly not universal, and it’s more the exception than the rule in America, but it hasn’t entirely died.”

It never will.


10 posted on 01/18/2011 11:56:56 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Jewbacca

I can’t understand how truth can be heresy. Jesus Christ is the Messiah.


11 posted on 01/18/2011 11:57:38 AM PST by vladimir998 (Copts, Nazis, Franks and Beans - what a public school education puts in your head.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Why? If you’re certain that Judiasm is the correct way and not Christianity, why are you afraid of Messianic Jews preaching the Gospel? If your religion is worth defending, then do so.

After all, what did Gamaliel tell the other Pharasees when speaking of Peter and the Apostles, you know, the original Jews for Jesus?

“...Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.” Acts 5:38-39


12 posted on 01/18/2011 12:07:41 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: vladimir998

Obviously, opinions differ, just as Protestants think Roman Catholics are all wet for thinking mary was a sinless being and vice versa.

Legtimate disagreements.

Difference being, Jewish people grew up and stopped trying to impose their religion by force.


13 posted on 01/18/2011 12:10:43 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: paladin1_dcs
I happen to agree with everything you wrote. But to many Jews the word "Christian" doesn't necessarily mean the same things as it does to you or me. It conveys images of pogroms and the inquisition, the perpetrators of which roundly claimed themselves to be "Christian". All I'm saying is that Jewish people have some historical basis for suspicion of Christian motives and we should understand that when we discuss our faith in theirMessiah.
14 posted on 01/18/2011 12:29:00 PM PST by katana
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To: paladin1_dcs

Christians are polytheists.

(How’s that sound? Want to go down this road?)


15 posted on 01/18/2011 12:51:39 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

For the record, I think Christianity is great for Christians. Faith is what it is: Faith, not Science.

So, let’s not argue amongst the Faithful who have no current animosity. You have yours, I’ll have mine, and we’ll have a nice cup of coffee.

But try to convert me, and I’ll smile, politely close that conversation and move on. If you’re unable to leave well enough alone after that, you’re rude, and I’ll ignore you and your bad manners.


16 posted on 01/18/2011 1:00:06 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Jewbacca
"Jewish people grew up and stopped trying to impose their religion by force"

I'm no scholar, so help me out here. Did Jews ever try to impose Judaism on anyone else?

I'm just historically ignorant on that one.

17 posted on 01/18/2011 1:06:00 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

No more than Moses was.

(Bring it.)


18 posted on 01/18/2011 1:38:29 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: Uncle Miltie

I can step in here on this one. To the best of my knowledge, it’s actually against the ideals of Judaism to try to force the worship of YHWH on anyone. After all, forced worship is worthless to One who can see the inner thoughts of a man.

The same is true of Christian ideals. The practice of forced conversions is not in keeping with the idea that God sees the inner thoughts of a man and a forced conversion is meaningless.


19 posted on 01/18/2011 1:44:06 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: Uncle Miltie

“. Did Jews ever try to impose Judaism on anyone else?”

Well, Jewish people obviously objected to fellow Jewish people who lapsed, became pagan, or Christian, and aggressive action was often taken.

But, I do agree, Judaism was never imposed by the sword on non-Jewish people like most other religions do.


20 posted on 01/18/2011 1:49:34 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Just how many of present day Christians participated in the Inquisition? Right, so Jews must sop using examples of an event centuries old.

Jews use the antisemitism card for unification purposes as admitted by many Jews as Alan Dershowitz.

One wonders if we asked the current Islamic residents in Palestine how the Jew is treating the non Jewish residents I would venture to say the Jews would receive no sympathy for past antisemitism. In reality, the current atrocious treatment of these non Jewish residents of Palestine precludes the Jew from pointing to the Crusades. Holocaust or any other similar examples without being labeled hypocrites..

21 posted on 01/18/2011 1:49:43 PM PST by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Uncle Miltie

While I would agree that we should not argue, and animosity is certainly not what I’m after here, would you also not agree that any faith, be it Christianity or Judiasm, which cannot take serious questioning is not worth keeping?

I say this because, all religion and theology aside, iron sharpens iron and even if we agree to disagree, we both are better off after defending our faith because it forces us to examine why we believe what we believe.


22 posted on 01/18/2011 1:53:04 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: 4mer Liberal

ping


23 posted on 01/18/2011 1:56:47 PM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: bronx2

No, they don’t have to stop using the Inquisition as a valid explaination of their suspecions towards Christians. Forced conversions are wrong. Period. Full stop. It doesn’t matter if it happened one hundred or five hundred or even two thousand years ago, what’s wrong is wrong and time doesn’t change that.

Now, I’ll grant you that it’s used more now as a crutch to stifle religious debate and stir up an emotional response than as a legitimate gripe, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was wrong.

As for how Israel treats the Muslim squatters on land that God Himself deeded to the Jews, they’re getting off far easier than the Canaanites did when the Israelites first occupied that piece of real estate.


24 posted on 01/18/2011 2:02:38 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: wmfights

The history of Christian and Jews is simply overstated and not entirely accurate as narrated. Sure there were many Christian misdeeds but the dynamic was not a monolithic become Christian or die for 2000 years. First of all the early Church 2000 years ago was almost all Jewish. This changed dramatically with the Talmud which decisively rejected Jewish Christians, Christians in general, Christ in very strong terms if not offensive. This is a neglected chapter in the sorrowful relations of Jews and Christians over the 2000 years. What part did the Talmud play in poisoned Jewish Christian relations and relations with Gentiles in general? There is always two to tango in historical conflicts. Christian attitudes towards Jews or misdeeds were not monolithic. They often differed from place to place with some places being worse than others and it was not always convert or die. For one thing Thomas Aquinas taught that a forced conversion was worthless. Sometimes you had differences between higher and lower clergy or interventions of the Popes to defend Jews. To be sure there were plenty of misdeeds but all the history has to be set forth. Plenty of times Jews were conspiring with Muslims or other enemies of Christianity and then weren’t there separate rules for dealing with Gentiles as opposed to fellow Jews? While this gentleman says he was taught to hate Christians, I never was taught to hate Jews.


25 posted on 01/18/2011 2:12:04 PM PST by Rampolla
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To: mountn man
Two thousand years of history have shown the Jewish people that Christians the Roman "church" is are their worst enemies, a Messianic rabbi pointed out.

Thank you for the ping.

YHvH's blessing on you and yours.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
26 posted on 01/18/2011 2:14:46 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: paladin1_dcs

Agreed. I’m just not here for a comparative religion debate. I have no problem that religious opinion is expressed forcefully here. People can even try to show how excellent and well founded their faith, principles and practice are.

If folks want to debate the fine points of theology, have a party.

I just think the overt attempt to convert people on FR is an inappropriate use of the space. Like in my post above, I know that Mormons are essentially obligated to try once to convert everyone they meet. But having been shut down politely, they leave you alone.

If folks want to operate in that spirit, I don’t object.

But I’ve been badgered by Jews for Jesus too much to tolerate it any more. Further, I paid for this site, as did each other full-on Freeper, and it is offensive to have my money used as a forum to abuse my beliefs; kinda like NPR.

So, let’s try for more ecumenicism, and less conversion, please. It will tend to promote harmony among a wide variety of strong conservatives without starting flame wars.


27 posted on 01/18/2011 2:49:22 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: paladin1_dcs

I think I’ll skip the “Prove to me Moses was a polytheist” argument, thanks.

:-)


28 posted on 01/18/2011 2:52:27 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: paladin1_dcs
"More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I think we can join forces, Christians and Jews, and look at who is killing whom, and fight them.

If a person of either Jewish or Christian persuasion can forgive, and doesn't demand punishment for inter-generational guilt, then we're pretty much past any difficulties.

Let's all go kill some Islamofascists before they kill us!

29 posted on 01/18/2011 2:56:36 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Agreed. I’m glad you could sense the jest in my “Bring it” quote.


30 posted on 01/18/2011 2:58:09 PM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: bronx2

“In reality, the current atrocious treatment of these non Jewish residents of Palestine”

If you believe that lie, there is no reason to discuss.


31 posted on 01/18/2011 3:27:34 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Will they “ speak-in-tongue” in a language older than Hebrew?


32 posted on 01/18/2011 5:00:36 PM PST by clbiel (Hey Islam! Satan's on the line- says he's not giving back your religion without a fight.)
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To: Jewbacca

IMHO....Jesus spoke with the Jews, not the gentiles, it was his desire that all people would come to faith in G-d and salvation through his life, death and resurrection....

However it was not *Automatic* that he Apostles knew how to
minister to gentiles...They were Jews and knew the Law of GOD, and it took some time and great debate with one another on how to approach a Pagan/Gentile World...

Saul/Paul was like General Patton..Not everyone can be a great leader...

Paul had a time with the people of Corinth, that place was a mess when he arrived there!

Just another school of thought....


33 posted on 01/18/2011 5:33:57 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
So you are saying that only Roman Catholics were guilty of antisemitism? Didn't martin Luther write On the Jews and their Lies?
34 posted on 01/18/2011 5:37:26 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: paladin1_dcs
Indiscriminate use of the Inquisition /Crusades as an example of religious bigotry only serves to mitigate its effectiveness, and it is beginning to ferment anti-semetic responses. This carefree use of these historic instances from ancient history, especially those not occurring in this nation, does not serve the best interests of Judaism.

Perhaps to be more relevant we should cite the Know Nothing movement or Naivest activities of 19 Century America which has to be a proud protestant moment.

I am sure the Palestine non Jewish residents would have some question concerning the gift of God to the jack booted thugs who identify themselves as Jews.More Americans are beginning to listen and sympathize with the plight of these peoples especially when the Jews continue cite persecution from centuries past. The past is making prisoners of the Jew.

35 posted on 01/18/2011 6:05:57 PM PST by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: Uncle Miltie; paladin1_dcs
But I’ve been badgered by Jews for Jesus too much to tolerate it any more. Further, I paid for this site, as did each other full-on Freeper, and it is offensive to have my money used as a forum to abuse my beliefs; kinda like NPR.

No one forced you to open this thread and read it. Christians also contribute to Free Republic. Hyper sensitivity is a weak defense at best.

36 posted on 01/18/2011 7:17:24 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
So you are saying that only Roman Catholics were guilty of antisemitism? Didn't martin Luther write On the Jews and their Lies?

He learned his anti-semitism when he was a RCC Priest.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
37 posted on 01/18/2011 8:07:27 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: bronx2; SJackson; Zionist Conspirator

“I am sure the Palestine non Jewish residents would have some question concerning the gift of God to the jack booted thugs who identify themselves as Jews.”

You are delusional. I’ve been to Israel (not Jewish).

The only place where non-royal arabs can get ahead is Israel. Everywhere else, they’re not citizens and treated like garbage.

The problems in Gaza, et al, are directly the fault of terrorist arab leaders who refuse to live in peace with their neighbors, so they can keep a state of war and thus steal from their own people.

You’re a long time poster at FR. I can’t believe your still here sheltering such anti-semetic nonsense in your brain. It’s one of the few places where the MSM blockaid is broken.


38 posted on 01/19/2011 1:09:32 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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39 posted on 01/19/2011 5:17:18 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Nope. In fact, Judaism discourages conversion by non-Jews to Judaism, and makes conversion a long and difficult process to make sure that it’s for the right reasons, etc.


40 posted on 01/19/2011 6:20:25 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Uncle Miltie
But I’ve been badgered by Jews for Jesus too much to tolerate it any more.

I had enough of it, too. A few months ago, I encountered an aggressive one and nearly had him in tears. I got right back in his face and told him that it's Jews OR Jesus, not both.

41 posted on 01/19/2011 6:25:09 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick
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To: bronx2

The very fact that you refer to the Jews as “jack booted thugs” tells me plenty about your attitude and, frankly, I’m a little shocked at seeing something like this on FR. I may disagree with my FRiends here who are Jewish about matters of faith and theology, but I never forget that even if we disagree on this matter, the State of Israel is still founded on the same principles that our United States were founded upon. After all, they’re called Judeao-Christian ideals for a reason.

What you posted has no place on FR, belonging more on such “toleratant” sites as DU or the HuffPo. Furthermore, if you honestly believe that modern day Jews are truly as repressive and reprehensible as you seem to indicate, then I seriously begin to wonder about the condition of your own salvation, as this attitude is decidedly unChristian in nature.


42 posted on 01/19/2011 6:53:33 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Modern Judaism may discourage it, but that’s not what the Torah teaches. While the Torah is extremely strict in it’s conditions, it actually encourages those Gentiles who live among the Jews and who follow YHWH to keep the Law.


43 posted on 01/19/2011 6:56:45 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: paladin1_dcs

—from ¨The Pentateuch and Haftorahs¨, Dr JH Hertz, CH, Late Chief Rabbi Of The British Empire....

¨God had suffered the heathens to worship the sun, moon and stars as a stepping stone to a higher stage of religious belief. That worship of the heathen nations thus forms part of God´s guidance for humanity.

But as for the Israelites, God had given them first hand knowledge of Him through the medium of Revelation. It is for this reason that idolatry was for them an unpardonable offence; and everything that might seduce them from that Divine Revelation was to be ruthlessly destroyed.

Hence the amazing tolerance shown by Judaism of all ages towards the followers of other cults, so long as these were not steeped in immorality and crime. Thus the prophet Malachi declares even the sacrificial offering of heathens to be a glorification of God (Mal 1:11).

Equally striking is the attitude of the Rabbis toward the heathen world. War had been declared against the Canaanites not because of matters of dogma or ritual, but because of the savage cruelty and foul licentiousness of their lives and cult.

But the Rabbis never regarded the heathens of their own day as on the same moral level with the Canaanites. Their contemporary heathens in the Roman and Persian Empires obeyed the laws of conduct which the Rabbis deemed vital to the existence of human society, the so-called ´seven commandments given to the children of Noah´. They wisely held that in their religious life these heathens merely followed the traditional worship which they had inherited from their fathers before them, and they could not therefore be held responsible for failure to reach a true notion of the Unity of God. Such followers of other faiths – they taught – were judged by God purely by their moral life. ´The righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come,´ and are heirs of immortality, alongside the righteous in Israel.
A later midrash proclaimed: ´I call heaven and earth to witness that, whether it be Jew or heathen, man or woman, freeman or bondman – only according to their acts does the Divine spirit rest upon them. And in the darkest days of the Middle Ages, Solomon ibn Gabirol, the great philosopher and Synagogue hymn writer, sang
´Thou art the Lord,
And all beings are thy servants, Thy domain;
And through those who serve idols vain
Thine honor is not detracted from,
For they all aim to Thee to come.´

This is probably the earliest enunciation of religious tolerance in Western Europe.¨


44 posted on 01/19/2011 8:37:24 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

That is incredibly interesting, but one thing that I noticed that I have a problem with is that it seems certain Rabbis down through the ages have shifted their focus away from what the Torah actually says and more towards what other Rabbis have said that it means. Perhaps you or some of the others here who are knowledgable of such things could help me with this.

For example, I know that the Priests, as descendants of Levi, have authority to weigh matters pertaining to the Law, much like the Judges did, and I have heard that Rabbis, as a sort of subset of the Levitical tribe, were to be teachers of the Law, but no where have I seen in the Torah where Priests or Rabbis have authority to add to or take away from the Law.

Or, more bluntly put, if the Rabbis are exercising their authority correctly, why do they say that the Jews do not need to sacrifice for the remission of sin when the Torah is explicit in this regard? I understand that there is no Temple currently, and that in the past the Jews had to deal with not having a Temple, such as when they returned from their exile in Babylon to Jerusalem and found the Temple destroyed, but their reaction was always similar. They immediately set about rebuilding the Temple so they could perform the required sacrifices. Why has that changed now and, more importantly, by what authority did the Rabbis and/or Priests change it?

Can you help me with this?


45 posted on 01/19/2011 9:35:53 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: SJackson

THX THX


46 posted on 01/19/2011 10:08:33 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wmfights; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ..

PRAISE GOD!

Worth reading the OP (Original Post)

God used another AoG person—a hair stylist—to knock the ball outta the park.


47 posted on 01/19/2011 10:11:05 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: paladin1_dcs

I’ll give an Amen to that.


48 posted on 01/19/2011 10:37:42 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 01/19/2011 10:38:56 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
God used another AoG person—a hair stylist—to knock the ball outta the park.

May I suggest, instead of focusing on the denomination of the person, focus on the outcome.

I don't think God is keeping a score card of how many souls each denomination brings in. He's keeping a score card of those saved. Humility celebrates the one being saved, arrogance celebrates the one "doing" the saving. (Of course, only the Holy Spirit can save one)

My interest in this thread is not that one denomination is accomplishing something over others. I'm neither Pentecostal or AoG. I celebrate that God is using people to reach others for his kingdom. I celebrate those people allowing God to use them.

50 posted on 01/19/2011 10:55:43 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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