Skip to comments.The Collapse of Cultural Catholicism
Posted on 01/28/2011 9:32:34 AM PST by marshmallow
Shery Weddell at the St Catherine of Siena Institute reports that 32% of Americans raised Catholic abandon the identity altogether by their mid twenties. An additional 38% retain the identity but rarely practice their faith. 30% of those who call themselves Catholic attend Mass only once a month. On a given Sunday only about 15.6% of American Catholics attend Mass.
What is the reason for these disastrous statistics? Basically because for the last forty years Catholics themselves have not taught Catholicism to their children. They've taught 'American Catholicism' which is a watered down blend of sentimentalism, political correctness, community activism and utilitarianism. In other words, "Catholicism is about feeling good about yourself, being just to others and trying to change the world." The next generation have drawn the obvious conclusion that you don't need to go to Mass to do all that. You can feel good about yourself much more effectively with a good book from the self help shelf, or by attending a personal development seminar. You can be involved in making the world a better place without going to church.
If only 15% of Catholics go to Mass on a given Sunday, look around and see how many of them are old. Even the 15% who are there won't be there for very long.
The solution is simple: we must return to the supernatural realities of the historic faith and evangelize like the Apostles of old. The big difference is that the Apostles knew their targets were pagans and the pagans knew they weren't Christians. We're dealing with a huge population of Americans (Catholics and Protestants alike) who are pagan but who think they're 'good Christians.' It is very difficult to evangelize people who already think they're fine just as they are. We don't know what we don't know, and the vast majority of poorly catechized, lazy and worldly Catholics aren't aware that there's anything wrong.
What will it take for us to wake up?
Just remember Christ never promised easy. I have many, many friends who are not Catholic. They are Christian down to their very marrow. I love and esteem them highly.
One of the favorite
manipulative strategies and demands of the RC's rises again
Basically, from where I sit . . . over and over again, whenever RC's begin to get bested at their own games, they want to roll up the sidewalks, empty the stands, stamp their feet like 2 year olds and go home. How impressive.
And this purportedly from the power-mongering cult that claims that "The gates of hell shall not prevail against the RCC."
What a pile of convoluted contradictory balderdash.
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I gather you’ve forgotten
I’m sure Jesus Himself must shake HIs head and mutter those words when He sees the folly of which we are capable.
Sorry, you are right
It was post 40 where you brought in predestination
Again, predestined as in foreknowledge.
Mary's "yes" was freely given.
Yes I agree. In fact my best friend is a Protestant. She never took issue with my catholic beliefs, and I never took issue with hers. We were simply happy that we had alot in common and left it at that. God bless her.
Do not post to me!!
And I started a thread with a song of worship that ended up in hundreds of debate posts.. thats life in the kitchen.. if ya can’t stand the heat in the kitchen .. well you know
it IS life.
Howver, I guess if RC’s aren’t wrapped in 12 layers of white hankys, foam rubber and rabbit fur,
they just can’t handle it.
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You better watch out Judith, someone may post some pictures and words in big font to you.
Heck, I MARRIED a protestant. Mo Synod Lutheran.
He ended up his last fifteen years, he was Catholic, thank God. He said he was sick of hearing that all his works were as filthy rags in the sight of God. I told him God loved him so much, that as much as I loved him, God loved him even more, and that was when he converted.
You mean, some STALKER?
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow , he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Of all the hateful, disgusting things that might be posted here on FR, that is one of the worst. I suggest in the strongest of terms that you apologize to her, and request that the post be removed.
Ohhh. That’s wonderful, Judith Anne. You’ve brought tears to my eyes.
The meaning is clear and those words condemn anyone who believes in them.
If Rome doesn't mean it follows "another Christ" and if Rome doesn't pray to a "co-redeemer," then Rome should change its vocabulary to catch up to the rest of the English-speaking world.
Actually, I hope the post stays up there. I hope all lurkers see it.
Calvin is sick, and twisted.
I believe them. Are you saying I am condemned?
I believe Jesus Christ.
For by they words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by they words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." -- Matthew 12:36-37
Then look in the mirror, and repeat the scripture.
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Our kids are getting an amazing Catholic education!
"Specifically," it is the slant of the story that says the "collapse of cultural Catholicism" is a bad thing.
It's not. It's progress.
"Cultural Catholicism" elected Obama, applauded Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical and excused pederast priests.
I just thank God that the OPC is going down the toilet, as we speak.
Do Roman Catholics use mirrors a lot? Part of the sideshow?
I know what those words of Christ mean. They mean there is no "alter Christus" nor is there any "co-redemptrix."
Men are justified by Christ on the cross alone which means salvation is unmerited, unearned and undeserved. No good works of men can warrant the free gift of grace. Therefore sinners are redeemed by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
Those words do not "condemn;" they echo the word of God. They are truth and life.
There's only one reflection in that mirror -- Jesus Christ.
Bless you and your late husband. The Church is the One True Faith, and those that follow an interpretation of a man one and a half millennia after the complete Revelation of our Faith are lost. May they be found.
Hey! My son was 98G and served in Korea, too. He was Elint translator and loved it. Sadly, Clinton was the president at the time, so he chose not to stay.
PS, 2nd ID, second to NONE!
When I look in the mirror, I see a sinner in need of Lord Jesus Christ, the Risen Son of Almighty God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I don't know how anyone looks in the mirror and sees Christ, unless they are deluded.
You should’ve made this a Catholic Caucus, it is an excellent article.
The RCC just couldn’t compete with the “Americanism” they openly despised for much of our history. Once the the flock left their respective ethnic ghettos and became happy assimilated white folks, neither the Novus Ordum hokum nor any “conservative” counter movement could bring them back. It doesn’t help that most Catholics by ancestry happen to be raised in regions of the country where religious fervor of any kind is frowned upon.
You misread the article. It favored such a collapse. Which is what all orthodox faithful favor.
A Korean ‘Goof’! He was SIGINT, as ELINT is strictly non-voice. When did your son go through Goodfellow AFB?
Don’t loose your time with YOPIOS. They can’t even agree among themselves if Saturday or Sunday is the Lord’s Day, or if Jesus Christ is God 100% equal to the Father.
We will all be spoken of in the past tense one day.. the question is where will we spend that future past??
I don’t know. He went a number of places for training, four in all I think, maybe 5 including a year in Monterrey, CA;
I don’t know what he did, and I don’t know where all he went. I do know that he got a lot of things to pin on his shirt, and a lot of really nice letters from people I’ve never heard of, and I know he had a wonderful time. He did send some pictures of him hanging out of a two man helo by his feet. I asked him where his parachute was and he said they don’t give them to people in a helicopter. I said that does it I’m calling the freaking president! He said, please Mom, don’t call the president.
About a year after he left, the CIA was calling our house asking me where he was, they wanted to talk to him. I said, “Who is this?” and the woman said, “It’s the government, ma’am.” I said “Who governement?” She said, “CIA” but she had the kind of voice you can’t believe. I know the NSA and the DIA both tried to recruit him, and he declined because he didn’t want to live in DC.
As far as what he did, I KNOW that Elint was part of it, along with translating, but he didn’t want to kill me, so he didn’t tell me. Or his wife.
Don't Catholic churchs have Mass on Saturday to "fulfill" your Sabbath" obligation"?
So who is confused here?
or if Jesus Christ is God 100% equal to the Father.
The "mirror" allusion was regarding our good works or our condemnation, remember? It is just plain sad that Roman Catholics believe their good works are their own when they are actually Jesus Christ within them and they in Him.
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" -- Colossians 1:27 "But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." -- 1 Corinthians 15:10
"That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus." -- Philemon 1:6
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" -- Colossians 1:27
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." -- 1 Corinthians 15:10
If you do not perceive Christ in you, you should return to your Bible and look for Him.
I pray that you return to the Church.
All Protestants believe in the Trinity.
You have ceased to make sense.
The cross alone?
God’s grace alone?
Through faith alone?
Come on. Straighten out your brain. Quit looking in the mirror. You WILL answer for any hate.
ROTFL since when does an open thread become "ours" or "yours"?
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