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The Collapse of Cultural Catholicism
Standing on My Head ^ | 1/27/11 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 01/28/2011 9:32:34 AM PST by marshmallow

Shery Weddell at the St Catherine of Siena Institute reports that 32% of Americans raised Catholic abandon the identity altogether by their mid twenties. An additional 38% retain the identity but rarely practice their faith. 30% of those who call themselves Catholic attend Mass only once a month. On a given Sunday only about 15.6% of American Catholics attend Mass.

What is the reason for these disastrous statistics? Basically because for the last forty years Catholics themselves have not taught Catholicism to their children. They've taught 'American Catholicism' which is a watered down blend of sentimentalism, political correctness, community activism and utilitarianism. In other words, "Catholicism is about feeling good about yourself, being just to others and trying to change the world." The next generation have drawn the obvious conclusion that you don't need to go to Mass to do all that. You can feel good about yourself much more effectively with a good book from the self help shelf, or by attending a personal development seminar. You can be involved in making the world a better place without going to church.

If only 15% of Catholics go to Mass on a given Sunday, look around and see how many of them are old. Even the 15% who are there won't be there for very long.

The solution is simple: we must return to the supernatural realities of the historic faith and evangelize like the Apostles of old. The big difference is that the Apostles knew their targets were pagans and the pagans knew they weren't Christians. We're dealing with a huge population of Americans (Catholics and Protestants alike) who are pagan but who think they're 'good Christians.' It is very difficult to evangelize people who already think they're fine just as they are. We don't know what we don't know, and the vast majority of poorly catechized, lazy and worldly Catholics aren't aware that there's anything wrong.

What will it take for us to wake up?


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To: ex 98C MI Dude; RnMomof7
I pray that you return to the Church.

I pray she doesn't. LOL! IF she thinks she is saved now, and IF she thinks that allows her to preach to others and tell them they're in danger of hellfire for being Catholic, then I do NOT want her back. That's some kind of personality.

151 posted on 01/28/2011 5:06:49 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
I pray she doesn't. LOL! IF she thinks she is saved now, and IF she thinks that allows her to preach to others and tell them they're in danger of hellfire for being Catholic, then I do NOT want her back. That's some kind of personality.

How Christian of you :)

152 posted on 01/28/2011 5:11:38 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Judith Anne; RnMomof7
He said he was sick of hearing that all his works were as filthy rags in the sight of God.

All men love their own music and prefer to believe they're playing all the instruments themselves.

True peace comes from loathing our sin and loving Christ's covering of it.

153 posted on 01/28/2011 5:12:05 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Exactly..


154 posted on 01/28/2011 5:15:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Judith Anne

LOL. YOU brought up the mirror, Judith. Is your memory that faulty?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2664899/posts?page=128#128

Yes, men are saved BY God’s grace alone THROUGH faith alone IN Jesus Christ alone.

It’s part of Rome’s shame that it doesn’t believe nor teach that simple Scriptural fact.


155 posted on 01/28/2011 5:15:51 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

lol. Since they capitalized the “c” in “catholic.”


156 posted on 01/28/2011 5:17:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
How Christian of you :)

I'm debating posting about the last time someone said that to me...

157 posted on 01/28/2011 5:20:30 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Biblical truth has always been offensive to some.


158 posted on 01/28/2011 5:21:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Quix

Losing that one, too?


159 posted on 01/28/2011 5:22:35 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

YUP.


160 posted on 01/28/2011 5:23:02 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And you didn’t look in the mirror and repeat those scriptures, either, did you?

You said, “There’s only one reflection in that mirror — Jesus Christ.”

If you look in your mirror and see Jesus Christ, then you are worshipping yourself. That is what I expect, after reading the OPC on all the open Catholic threads.


161 posted on 01/28/2011 5:29:15 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Not at all.


162 posted on 01/28/2011 5:29:59 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Alex Murphy

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhh

They’re thinking . . .

Probably expecting a special message to flutter down any minute on a white hanky to bail them out . . .

Probably something about St Peter declaring in a special prophecy that FR would be

TOTALLY THEIR’S some day.


163 posted on 01/28/2011 5:30:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

It seems to go with the territory . . . or landscape . . .

or the DAFFYNITIONARY . . . or the White Hankys . . .


164 posted on 01/28/2011 5:31:23 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne

I didn’t say I worshiped myself. I said Christ was in me and I in Christ.

For Roman Catholics to be so skeptical of that fact is very sad indeed.


165 posted on 01/28/2011 5:32:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; Quix

Your post breaks the rules of Free Republic by making personal statements about another FReeper.

Try to abide by the rules. They exist to help all of us.


167 posted on 01/28/2011 5:35:06 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Yeah, they’ll probably hit the abuse button on you. They like to do that. Don’t worry, there are ways to get the point across.

Actually, I think I’m leaving the thread. I have something enjoyable to do. ;-D Hope you have a great evening!


168 posted on 01/28/2011 5:37:12 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Love it when y’all are so terminally wrong.

The Bible has something to say about folks choosing to unnecessarily take offense.

Biblical truth is vital for the living/ungraduated.

The BIBLICAL TRUTH IS that all our works of righteousness are as a used minstral rag. That’s SCRIPTURE.

Rebel against it at your own risk.

I’m skeptical y’all know much about the Love of Jesus.

Jesus’ LOVE AND TRUTH go hand in hand.

As John and Paula Sandford say in

TRANSFORMATION OF THE INNER MAN

Truth without love is brutality.
Love without truth is useless sentimentality.

It sounds like y’all have not a shred of a clue about me nor about my walk with God.

Biases tend to produce tunnel vision as through an thin straw. Rigid, RELIGIOUS biases can be the most blinding and the most deadly.


169 posted on 01/28/2011 5:38:54 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

a BROKEN

AND CONTRITE HEART

HE WILL NOT DESPISE.

THAT’S PLAIN BIBLE.


170 posted on 01/28/2011 5:41:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; Dr. Eckleburg

BTW,

I don’t think I have ANY wisdom of my own.

Any I have is all from The Lord.

Try again.

The utter fails might get amusing at some point.


171 posted on 01/28/2011 5:43:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

to be called a heretical fool by some folks is sort of an honor.


172 posted on 01/28/2011 5:44:04 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Judith Anne; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

I’d bet there are 15-30 RC abuse button hits per single Proddy hit.

Might even be as high as 50:1

However, we understand about the RC

compulsion to fantasize and concoct all manner of

Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling

farcical fantasies.


173 posted on 01/28/2011 5:46:17 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

amen


174 posted on 01/28/2011 5:46:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg

“And you didn’t look in the mirror and repeat those scriptures, either, did you?

You said, “There’s only one reflection in that mirror — Jesus Christ.”

If you look in your mirror and see Jesus Christ, then you are worshipping yourself. That is what I expect, after reading the OPC on all the open Catholic threads.”

{{{SNORT!!!}}}

That’s rich.

Looks like you struck a nerve, Doc.

Hoss


176 posted on 01/28/2011 5:53:11 PM PST by HossB86
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To: Judith Anne

Bless you and yours. They may hit the abuse button, but it shall be for naught. If they actually look at what they post, in comparison to what they are complaining about... well.

The Truth shall be known.


177 posted on 01/28/2011 5:54:21 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; RnMomof7

INteresting that you’d take it that way. Maybe many did.

I considered it a hypothetical statement.


178 posted on 01/28/2011 5:54:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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HOWEVER,

We do KNOW that

when in doubt

the

RC DEFAULT POSITION

IS TO TAKE AS MUCH OFFENSE AS POSSIBLE

AND TO WAIL AND WHINE AS LOUDLY as possible.


179 posted on 01/28/2011 5:55:37 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: marshmallow
With regard to the essay:

1. Is or was there really a "Catholic" culture, or is it more accurate to say that there were "Italian Catholic", "Irish Catholic", "German Catholic", etc. cultures? If a person's Catholic religion was tied at the hip with his ethnic background, as was true for a large number of Catholics, then as people became more homogenized into the American culture they may have lost their cultural connection to their church as well.

2. Being Catholic in America has always been more problematic than being Protestant. Lots of Catholics are made to feel inferior by their Protestant fellow citizens because either they came from "southern Europe" where all those "lazy, criminal" types come from. Or they are agents of a foreign state, i.e. the Vatican. Or they are superstitious and sentimental with their belief in saints and reverence of Mary, etc. So lots of Catholics are taunted or cajoled into distancing themselves from their faith. They shouldn't be ashamed of it, but when huge numbers of their neighbors, schoolmates, etc. constantly harangue them then what do we expect them to do?

3. The Catholic Church is a single large institution. Any stain on the smallest part of the Church reflects on the Church as a whole. Those who sequester themselves in small "non-denominational" groups are only affected if their particular cult is infiltrated by a jackal. As a large, long-standing organization the Church can accomplish amazing things on a global scope. However, its members can also make horrible decisions on a global scope as well. The faithful need to be reminded of the great good that the Church has accomplished despite the errors of its members.

4. Fraternal and sororal organizations such as the Knights of Columbus need to be reinvigorated. Catholics who get together on a regular basis to socialize and do good works (Calvin forfend!) are more likely to attend church on a regular basis.

5. Instruction associated with First Holy Communion and Confirmation needs to be significantly beefed up. The instruction has to make it very clear why Catholicism is the best choice. Especially during Confirmation, the kids need to be forewarned about the attacks on their faith that will come from the atheists, agnostics, and Protestants. Their critical thinking skills need to be honed so they can see through at least a couple layers of the sophistry that will be firehosed in their direction.

6. They should be exposed to religious threads on FR so they can directly witness the "love and compassion" of their Protestant brothers and sisters.

181 posted on 01/28/2011 6:23:25 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

To whatever degree the RCC facilitates anyone

authentically drawing close TO GOD AND GOD ALONE

PRAISE GOD.

To whatever degree it facilitates folks engaging in idolatry, blasphemy, and sliding willy nilly to hell . . .

GOD FORBID AND CORRECT.

BTW, thanks for your sweet language. Very touching.

I’m sure Mother Mary was quite pleased.
/s


182 posted on 01/28/2011 6:32:56 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Thanks for being soooooooooooooo TERMINALLY WRONG yet again.

Thankfully, as Scripture says, I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED AND AM PERSUADED THAT HE IS ABLE TO KEEP THAT WHICH I HAVE COMMITTED UNTO HIM AGAINST THAT DAY.

When folks get outrageously and over the top indignantly, haughtily wound up

about a human RELIGIOUS organization--particularly such a duplicitous, convoluted, hypocritical, contradictory, UNBiblical . . . grossly flawed . . . human organization . . . it is evident to me that the organization has a greatly higher priority than God at the heart level. That kind of idolatry is frightful.

Very frightful . . . in terms of their soul's spiritual health.

BTW, I've served 4 years in the Navy. I've worked at a fire station. My wife was an RN. I don't know of a raunchier language'd 3 groups than those. However, thanks for being so terminally WRONG yet again.

AND being terminally wrong on key theological issues will be increasingly troublesome regardless of the label on the door or yard sign.

184 posted on 01/28/2011 7:14:17 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: lastchance

Thank you for your post 101, where you said,

Just remember Christ never promised easy. I have many, many friends who are not Catholic. They are Christian down to their very marrow. I love and esteem them highly.

= = =
Thanks for that reality statement, it’s heartening to me to read that you actually acknowledge that some who are not Roman Catholic can be Christian and that you love and esteem them highly.

May the Lord Jesus cause you to reap mightily the grace and respect that you sow.


185 posted on 01/28/2011 7:34:30 PM PST by Joya (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house ...)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; Quix
Are you going to play, heretical fool?

Are you familiar with what Yah'shua
thinks of those who call others "fool" ?
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,
shall be in danger of the council:

but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
186 posted on 01/28/2011 7:38:49 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
I am willing to face His Judgment for calling forth those who disbelieve in His Word.

I will be judged. And I am not ashamed for what I shall be judged for. I have much to answer for, as any must be.

188 posted on 01/28/2011 7:44:54 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thanks for your kind post.

I don’t think we’re in that Millenial reign period yet . . . .

however, I still think it’s a very hazardous thing to risk—particularly without sufficient cause.


189 posted on 01/28/2011 7:48:24 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

I gather tracking the same topic that many lines in a row is a challenge.

Tszao Gao!
So terrible!

My references were only to note that I was no stranger to bad language.

However, please do continue your rants. It helps lurkers characterize better the sorts of personalities who are so gah gah slavishly addicted to a grossly flawed

Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology And Reality Mangling fossilized, corrupted edifice of a pretend “Christian” organization.


190 posted on 01/28/2011 7:52:37 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

It is persistently the RC’s on FR who document their disbelief of The Word Of God.

Proddys are quite the contrary.


191 posted on 01/28/2011 7:53:32 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
Mat 5:23 "Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar,
and there remember that your brother has something against you,

Mat 5:24 leave your offering there before the altar and go;
first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

192 posted on 01/28/2011 7:56:11 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
And?

You assume I argue against my Brother. It is not so!

Shalom.

194 posted on 01/28/2011 7:59:56 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Alea Iacta Est)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

LOVE THOSE VERSES.

PRAISE GOD.


195 posted on 01/28/2011 8:12:53 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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Answer to what?

IIRC, I asked you a list of specific questions you haven’t touched.

I gather the saying

DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO

is a major dogma of the Vatican AIWSOTARM edifice!


197 posted on 01/28/2011 8:16:54 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: CTrent1564; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

I’m puzzled.

Are you trying to advertise that you have no clue what the criteria for a caucus designation is . . . or what?

BTW, thanks for your kind labels. It is encouraging to know that I’m hitting paydirt to that degree.


199 posted on 01/28/2011 8:21:01 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

PTL, THANKFULLY,

JESUS has a different perspective.


200 posted on 01/28/2011 8:22:56 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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