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Abuse of Caucus [whiner's caucus]
Self | 22 Feb 2011 | Natural Law

Posted on 02/22/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Natural Law

An alarming trend is developing in the Free Republic Religion Forum in which a caucus identifier is being claimed for non-existent or impossibly defined groups. With the caucuses being self defined we see nonsense like the Sola Scriptura Caucus. Of course it doesn’t mean all Scripture, only the thread initiators or Forum Moderators definition of Scripture. Jews who believe in the Scripture of the Old Testament are excluded. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are excluded even though they believe in the sufficiency of their own versions of Scripture. The not so transparent purpose of these faux caucuses is clearly to exclude a group of FReepers in a modern day repetition of “Whites Only” and “Irish Need Not Apply” prejudice. If this is allowed to stand what will we see next; caucuses so narrowly defined so as to only include one’s bridge club or to exclude an individual FReeper? How about a caucus designation for everyone but citizens from New York? How about a men’s only caucus? How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs? And what is being discussed in these faux caucus threads? Critical doctrinal issues such as ruggedized aircraft, home schooling, and civil unrest in Egypt. Give me a break!


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Religion & Culture
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To: lastchance

I’m not inclined to let them know

that I know that.


451 posted on 02/23/2011 8:30:15 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

INDEED.


452 posted on 02/23/2011 8:35:40 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
It’s not only RCs but all who are wasting time by being rude instead of focusing on Christ’s words. Quix, you too do that when you straightaway start personal attacks, you were the reason I wanted to stay away from freerepublic completely

How kind of you !!!

453 posted on 02/23/2011 8:39:58 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Hey lets face it we have a better sense of humor and the ability to laugh at ourselves !

And are also FAR more competitive.

And you don't know enough Dominicans. Two weekends ago we had an alleged retreat too much time of which was spent mocking ourselves and each other.

454 posted on 02/23/2011 8:53:18 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: the_conscience

Your post at 429: EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I quote you:

You’re either worshiping the true God or you’re worshiping a god of your own making. That’s the message of Scripture.

Those not in Christ are all idolaters, full stop. And even Christians will from time to time be tempted to focus their gaze on something other than God, which is idolatry. See 1 Cor 6:10, Eph 5:5, Col 3:5.

My suggestion is to put aside the philosophical construct that you normally use and try to understand the biblical philosophical construct. You may not agree with it but at least you’ll understand its position.

### end quote ###

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2678253/posts?page=429#429


455 posted on 02/23/2011 9:08:19 AM PST by Joya (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house ...)
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To: Natural Law

Here’s the point, which is old and pretty much outdated, some people show up as trolls, don’t reply to their comments. I would honestly provide a link to dealing with internet trolls here:

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll-tactics.html

There are trolls everywhere, and honestly, just because some troll wants to post offensivsly, with stupidity, or both, doesn’t mean shutting down some forums. In addition, if someone violates the rules of posting (i.e. no profanity, no personal attacks, no racism or violence in posts, repeatedly, make note of the username and report it) If some post turns out to be a little rediculous and not worth one’s while, ignore it, and don’t respond. I’ve seen plenty of trolls in my day, and just because they can say some rediculous remarks doesn’t mean shutting down the group.


456 posted on 02/23/2011 9:15:33 AM PST by Morpheus2009 (I pity the fool - Mr. T)
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To: Mad Dawg
Paul leaves no one in doubt as to what he is saying. There is no interpretation to be made. He states clearly that the gospel which he preached was a direct revelation of Christ, not taught to him by man, nor received of him by man. We can choose to believe Paul or not believe him, but it doesn't change the fact that he states clearly where he received the gospel he preached and from Whom.

And I do agree with you. There is an 'official account'. It is in Chapter 1:11,12.

"But I CERTIFY you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Acts 15:11 is a fascinating verse, if you are ever bored and wish to see something in a new light, perhaps.

457 posted on 02/23/2011 9:16:30 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: don-o; Dr. Eckleburg

Lucky you Dr....hopefully that list will grow more and more!


458 posted on 02/23/2011 9:18:12 AM PST by caww
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To: RnMomof7

What special knowledge does one need in order to have an opinion about whether posters can make any caucus that they want?


459 posted on 02/23/2011 9:18:29 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Quix
Some have reported seeing birds and other kinds of animals

Um...some who?

460 posted on 02/23/2011 9:24:40 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Natural Law
I am a 'Fisheater', an in your face Catholic

Well the sign in the sand for Christians is a "Fish"...your comment speaks volumes and explains allot on the manner you use to post...which has no manners whatsoever Imo. Doesn't sound like you're much on the right side of Christianity.

461 posted on 02/23/2011 9:26:18 AM PST by caww
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To: smvoice
Paul leaves no one in doubt as to what he is saying. There is no interpretation to be made. He states clearly that the gospel which he preached was a direct revelation of Christ, not taught to him by man, nor received of him by man. Am I disputing that?

There is no interpretation to be made.

That in itself is an act of interpretation.

462 posted on 02/23/2011 9:29:15 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: T Minus Four

People who’ve visited Heaven and returned to tell about it.


463 posted on 02/23/2011 9:37:26 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice
Whoops! Let's try that again:

Paul leaves no one in doubt as to what he is saying. There is no interpretation to be made. He states clearly that the gospel which he preached was a direct revelation of Christ, not taught to him by man, nor received of him by man.

Am I disputing that?

There is no interpretation to be made.

That in itself is an act of interpretation.

Acts 15:11 is a fascinating verse, if you are ever bored and wish to see something in a new light, perhaps.

Oh. Are you suggesting I have never read that verse before and have never thought about it?

464 posted on 02/23/2011 9:38:31 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

To take the Biblical words at face value

is an . . . interpretation?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm


465 posted on 02/23/2011 9:40:09 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww
"Well the sign in the sand for Christians is a "Fish"...your comment speaks volumes and explains allot on the manner you use to post...which has no manners whatsoever Imo. Doesn't sound like you're much on the right side of Christianity."

First, thank you for breaking Forum Rules to make a post about me.

Secondly, I am not going to accept judgment or critique from those who believe that the Beatitudes are simply examples intended for only for the Jews or preach that personal behavior is exempt from judgment for the elect. The treatment of catholics by the Pauline faux Christians on this site is appalling.

466 posted on 02/23/2011 9:42:42 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Mad Dawg

LoL


467 posted on 02/23/2011 9:50:27 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: don-o; caww
Upon advice of my adviser

Adviser? Most of us are capable of posting our own views with our own brains.

Who's your "adviser?"

468 posted on 02/23/2011 9:55:19 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

yes, it has a strange kind of hypnotic effect!!


469 posted on 02/23/2011 9:57:44 AM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: Quix
To take the Biblical words at face value is an . . . interpretation?

"Behold the lamb of God."

The minute some words are taken as figurative and others are taken "at face value", interpretation enters the picture.

From this we can see that to decide to take all or none of them "at face value" is also an interpretive act.

In everyday life, when we decide what is "figure" and what is "ground" we have interpreted.

So I answer: Yes.

470 posted on 02/23/2011 10:01:18 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Fair enough.

Thx.


471 posted on 02/23/2011 10:09:19 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg
Am I disputing that?

So we have conflicting interpretations of the passages from Galatians.

You seem to be disputing that in your previous post.

A clear writing, with clear explicit meaning, that is certified, isn't up for interpretation.

Oh. Are you suggesting I have never read that verse before and have never thought about it?

I'm not suggesting anything, Mad. That would be interpreting what I said. I never suggested that you had never read that verse before, nor thought about it. You're reading something that isn't there. Drawing implicit conclusions from explicit words fails every time it's tried. Unless one doesn't really mean what they say and say what they mean.

472 posted on 02/23/2011 10:09:44 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Cronos; kosta50; Kolokotronis; wagglebee; Natural Law; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ...

I’m calling “BABY RUTH”!


473 posted on 02/23/2011 10:14:20 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
Quix, you too do that when you straightaway start personal attacks, you were the reason I wanted to stay away from freerepublic completely

Well then you are not cut out for the discourse here if you havent brought a white hanky to dust off your rubberized bible , got tin foil for your replacementarian ideas and like pottery

474 posted on 02/23/2011 10:18:31 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Natural Law

I'm going to the gym. Smile at Fluffy; he will make it all better.

475 posted on 02/23/2011 10:21:18 AM PST by Tax-chick (All that, plus a real-meat cheezburger and wine.)
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To: netmilsmom; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg

all you have to do to be happy and dont worry, is stay off caucus threads that aren’t all about you


476 posted on 02/23/2011 10:22:18 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: smvoice
This is a classic example, just classic. It simply couldn't be better.

I asked, for clarification:
Are you suggesting I have never read that verse before and have never thought about it?

I was trying to understand why you said "new".

Out of that QUESTION, YOU spin admonishments to ME not to read into things!

"Are you suggesting ...?" is or can be a yes or no question. So who is reading what into what?

A clear writing, with clear explicit meaning, that is certified, isn't up for interpretation.

Again, that's an act of interpretation. And what does "certified" mean in this context?

My argument to Quix may explain what I mean:

[Quix:] To take the Biblical words at face value is an . . . interpretation?

[Me:] "Behold the lamb of God."

The minute some words are taken as figurative and others are taken "at face value", interpretation enters the picture.

From this we can see that to decide to take all or none of them "at face value" is also an interpretive act.

In everyday life, when we decide what is "figure" and what is "ground" we have interpreted.

So I answer: Yes.


477 posted on 02/23/2011 10:22:41 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
this is a silly caucus

The neat thing about a caucus thread is that you can vote with your mouse and leave

478 posted on 02/23/2011 10:24:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Natural Law

LOL!

Cue “Jaws” music.


479 posted on 02/23/2011 10:26:21 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Quix
People who’ve visited Heaven and returned to tell about it.

Well, here we part ways. That may be true or not but a) there's no way to know and b) there's nothing I need to know about heaven that I don't already know. It could very well be a tool of the enemy so I count it as such until I know better.

480 posted on 02/23/2011 10:27:43 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: xzins
The neat thing about a caucus thread is that you can vote with your mouse and leave

Wait!

What about my fear of abandonment?
At long last, have you no sense of shame?

WHINE!

;-)

481 posted on 02/23/2011 10:28:31 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Abandonment? :>)

I suspect that you being alone will happen the same time as Limbaugh has no audience, as Obama gets humble, as Gates panhandles in Cincinnati....

LOL


482 posted on 02/23/2011 10:33:08 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: rogator; WPaCon; MarkBsnr; kosta50; Natural Law; Judith Anne; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; metmom; ...
Emphasizing the connection with the particular church rather than the Roman Church is IME common among very liberal Catholics and liberal bishops, many of whom actually see Roman Catholic as a derogatory term.

Good to know.

Those who refrain from self-identifying as "Roman Catholics" tend to be from the more liberal branch of that church.

483 posted on 02/23/2011 11:11:14 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Good afternoon, Dr. E. To the quoted remark, respectfully, not necessarily. There are numerous Rites within the Church. Someone within one of those may identify themselves, say, as a Maronite, or a Byzantine Catholic, as an example. Those appellation do not indicate anything derogatory for anyone. They merely more accurately describe the Rite to which that person belongs, within the Church. Just a for-your-information.


484 posted on 02/23/2011 11:40:54 AM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Quix

Dat you Quix? - or just someone just aping your stuff?


485 posted on 02/23/2011 11:41:17 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: caww

Seeking “fiscal conservatism” apart from “social conservatism” is counterproductive to the former, and supposing the latter can take place as before apart from revived evangelical faith is imagination. Those whop are not ruled from within must be ruled from without. God0controlled or gov and gun controlled. One can be overall moral without faith, as God has given man an innate sense of morality, but that “golden compass can easily point south, and never goes to far north.


486 posted on 02/23/2011 11:41:58 AM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: sayuncledave; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; metmom

***There are numerous Rites within the Church. Someone within one of those may identify themselves, say, as a Maronite, or a Byzantine Catholic, as an example. Those appellation do not indicate anything derogatory for anyone. They merely more accurately describe the Rite to which that person belongs, within the Church.***

Sounds like a bunch of little sectlets to me. It seems that I read somewhere that there are 30,000 sectlets within the Roman Catholic Church!


487 posted on 02/23/2011 11:49:54 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Then I would ask when Siniaticus was first produced and when was the copy available today produced?

Were these books in the original?


488 posted on 02/23/2011 11:51:30 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: sayuncledave; rogator
There are numerous Rites within the Church. Someone within one of those may identify themselves, say, as a Maronite, or a Byzantine Catholic, as an example. Those appellation do not indicate anything derogatory for anyone. They merely more accurately describe the Rite to which that person belongs, within the Church.

I think that the original poster made that point, as he was speaking of those outside the Maronite or Byzantine, etc. sects.

rogator: Those of us who prefer Roman Catholic (actually Latin Catholic) are emphasizing our connection with the Roman Pontiff rather than the (e.g.) Maronite or the Melkite Patriarch.

Thus his point that those who follow "the Roman Pontiff" self-identify as "Roman Catholics" and they tend to be conservative rather than those who are more liberal and refuse the appellation.

489 posted on 02/23/2011 11:54:39 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: 1000 silverlings; wmfights; netmilsmom
all you have to do to be happy and dont worry, is stay off caucus threads that aren’t all about you

Certainly seems simple enough.

490 posted on 02/23/2011 11:58:24 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: T Minus Four; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Such experiences were known throughout Scripture and mentioned by Paul.

As long as they are Biblical, I take them as the wonderful encouragement they invariably are.

They have often drawn me closer to God; encouraged my faith; increased my courage and my hope; firmed up my confidence in The Lord.

I don’t consider that bad fruit, at all.

The Bible also indicates that such experiences will be increased in the END TIMES . . . sons and daughters shall prophecy . . . dream dreams etc.

I figure God knows what He’s doing . . . discernment is required in some cases. In others, it’s obvious.


491 posted on 02/23/2011 11:59:10 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
FAIRLY UNOFFICIAL, SEMI-PROFESSIONAL WHINE RATING:

1. On RC scale ........... = 2.6
2. On Proddy scale .... = 6.6


[Well established norms are different]

492 posted on 02/23/2011 12:05:21 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: daniel1212

I can honestly say were it not for my faith I would not be involved in the political climate. AS my faith grew so did my understanding of our responsibility to our fellow man and the decisions being made thru our governing entities.

My first involvement was in our local Chamber of Commerce....what an education that was in how even there a stronghold can keep a community from growth as a few heavy hitters reap all the benifits. I was on the board and a part of a group who broke that hold in the community...it was like a chess-game being played before we brought that down.

But what was most remarable is how God entered these happenings and how many underestimated how He would use those seemingly least significant individuals to bring the final blows. It was thrilling to see the hand og God move there and be a part of. As a result today that community has continued to develope and grow because the stronghold was broken. It would not have happened apart from Gods use of His people... seeking His will and way.


493 posted on 02/23/2011 12:05:38 PM PST by caww
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To: Tax-chick; don-o; Alamo-Girl

Precious penguin.

Great pic, Tax-Chick.

Thanks.


494 posted on 02/23/2011 12:07:52 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: 1000 silverlings; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

BBBBuuuutttt

THEN

They’d likely feeeeellll DEPRIVED . . .

ignored . . .

cheated . . .

disinfranchised . . .

of their

SACRED WHITE HANKY VATICAN CULT WHINING RITUALS!

However could they make it through the day or week?


495 posted on 02/23/2011 12:09:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

....”You’re reading something that isn’t there. Drawing implicit conclusions from explicit words fails every time it’s tried. Unless one doesn’t really mean what they say and say what they mean.”.....

I have seen this happen frequently on the threads....and without a desire for true dialect rather a means to divert attention from the point being made. Generally means a point is pretty much moving to the heart of the matter so defenses go up...no matter how those defenses are spoken or articulated.


496 posted on 02/23/2011 12:11:10 PM PST by caww
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To: Natural Law

Is there a “Poster Sucked In To Reading Threads Because the Title Is So Damned Vague I Didn’t Know It’s Another Religious Thread” caucus?


497 posted on 02/23/2011 12:11:58 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Photobucket

498 posted on 02/23/2011 12:12:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

kissing toes and hating foes


499 posted on 02/23/2011 12:12:53 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Of course, that does presume

that folks have been able to . . . uhhhh . . .

stick their heads

OUT OF

the rabbit warrens of

the Vatican Alice In Wonderland School Of Theology, Reality Mangling, Chronic Professional Blaming, Wailing and Whining Cult

sufficiently far enough and long enough

to be able to begin to learn to tell the difference between

up vs down;

left vs right;

in vs out;

North vs South;

night vs day;

top vs bottom;

salt vs pepper;

God vs satan;

UFO personage vs the authentic Mary;

truth vs lies;

honorable vs dishonorable;

deception vs brazen truth;

love vs apathy or fear or hate;

etc. etc. etc.


500 posted on 02/23/2011 12:18:00 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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