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Abuse of Caucus [whiner's caucus]
Self | 22 Feb 2011 | Natural Law

Posted on 02/22/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Natural Law

An alarming trend is developing in the Free Republic Religion Forum in which a caucus identifier is being claimed for non-existent or impossibly defined groups. With the caucuses being self defined we see nonsense like the Sola Scriptura Caucus. Of course it doesn’t mean all Scripture, only the thread initiators or Forum Moderators definition of Scripture. Jews who believe in the Scripture of the Old Testament are excluded. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are excluded even though they believe in the sufficiency of their own versions of Scripture. The not so transparent purpose of these faux caucuses is clearly to exclude a group of FReepers in a modern day repetition of “Whites Only” and “Irish Need Not Apply” prejudice. If this is allowed to stand what will we see next; caucuses so narrowly defined so as to only include one’s bridge club or to exclude an individual FReeper? How about a caucus designation for everyone but citizens from New York? How about a men’s only caucus? How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs? And what is being discussed in these faux caucus threads? Critical doctrinal issues such as ruggedized aircraft, home schooling, and civil unrest in Egypt. Give me a break!


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: caucusaddedbyjr; caucusthreads; religionforum; religionforumghetto; whiner; whinercaucus; whinerscaucus
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To: caww

CONGRATS! CONGRATS!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


501 posted on 02/23/2011 12:19:40 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: sayuncledave

That sounds allot like the ‘denomination’ differences with those in the Protestant court. Catholics use differeing names just as Protestants do....the difference i think is the protestants are for the most part focused on the Centrality of Christ Jesus... Catholics for the most part are focused on their church name and the leadership over it...regardless of their standing regarding Rome they remain focused on the church and it’s teachings and rites. Christ Himself being secondary IMO.


502 posted on 02/23/2011 12:19:40 PM PST by caww
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To: 1000 silverlings

RIGHT! will add that.


503 posted on 02/23/2011 12:21:32 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Jim added the ‘whiner’ thread title. It was a good call.


504 posted on 02/23/2011 12:23:29 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

Working in Caesar’s household takes prayer~


505 posted on 02/23/2011 12:24:04 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: caww

Jim added the ‘whiner’ thread title. It was a good call.


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

One of the more anointed, accurate, discerning, brilliant, clarifying moves he’s made on FR in all its existence.


506 posted on 02/23/2011 12:31:29 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww

I agree. Now, if he would add a way for me to filter my “Latest Posts” page to exclude vaguely worded Religious threads, I’m good.


507 posted on 02/23/2011 12:35:36 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: Quix; topcat54
'People who’ve visited Heaven and returned to tell about it'

do you mean people recently?
508 posted on 02/23/2011 12:37:23 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

I’ve enjoyed such narratives over the last 30-40 years.

They seem to have been increasing in frequency as well as in detail and length of time spent in Heaven before returning.


509 posted on 02/23/2011 12:39:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Those who refrain from self-identifying as “Roman Catholics” tend to be from the more liberal branch of that church.”

However, since this is a conservative website, it would most likely be erroneous to assume that freepers who refrain from self-identifying as “Roman Catholics” are liberals.


510 posted on 02/23/2011 12:39:42 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Quix

That sounds blessed. To visit heaven and see the face of God. How did they come back?


511 posted on 02/23/2011 12:42:03 PM PST by OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
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To: daniel1212

Absolutely it takes prayer...and courage I might add. More than once my stomach did flip-flops before entering those meetings. I knew I was walking into a lions den. We were up against some powerful figures...the Pres. of the Chamber was also one of the top dogs of the local Nuclear Power Plant..... The Vice Pres. President was head of the Industrial Development Association in the area. Both had strong tentacles throughout the community to those in high places.

So you can imagine going into this fray being new to the arena....interesting is I didn’t realize myself the clout I had among those there who I joined with in bringing this down. But I had “open door” into any company of my choosing in the community....which also ment an opportunity to communicate the truth to those who needed to know. Walking on eggshells hardly says enough!

So yes...no steps without communicating with the Lord who really was who was orchestrating the plays, and for those hHe was clearly using......and great courage given in the face of fear.


512 posted on 02/23/2011 12:42:23 PM PST by caww
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To: Natural Law
How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs?

There’s one I qualify for.

513 posted on 02/23/2011 12:53:49 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Natural Law

Aye, Aye!

HUA!


514 posted on 02/23/2011 1:00:19 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

That’s a study in itself.

Those killed in accidents . . . tended to see their bodies lying below them . . . and then kind of like slipped back into their bodies as one would put on a set of coveralls.

Many were given the option of coming back or staying in Heaven. Some were not. Those given the option who came back returned because of family needing them etc.

Some who were just GIVEN the experience a la the Apostle Paul . . . like Roland Buck . . . just ‘woke back up in his body sitting at his desk with the velum sheet listing the 120 items God had told him would happen in the future—held in his hands.’

The most interesting was Jesse Du Plantis who seemed to come and go in a kind of gondola capsule with an angel riding in it with him. No memory of the travels in it, however, just in getting out of it in Heaven and getting back in it in Heaven to return to earth. His narrative is on YouTube. His is the only one I’ve ever read with that detail.


515 posted on 02/23/2011 1:00:43 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian

Most of the uninjured non-death-by-disease types of visits also included Christ guided visites to hell.


516 posted on 02/23/2011 1:01:36 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
That sounds blessed. To visit heaven and see the face of God. How did they come back?

Amtrak.

517 posted on 02/23/2011 1:04:17 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: caww

Respectfully, caww, our leadership is Jesus Christ. If I may be so bold, NYer had a great article about them, better than I can recount at the here & now. It can be found here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2676567/posts.

NYer’s article will explain better, though I will simply say, no, no denominations here. Anyway, have a day.


518 posted on 02/23/2011 1:04:17 PM PST by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
The most interesting was Jesse Du Plantis who seemed to come and go in a kind of gondola capsule with an angel riding in it with him.

The Lady Gaga of funkadelic spiritism.

519 posted on 02/23/2011 1:06:30 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; T Minus Four

Most of the uninjured non-death-by-disease types of visits also included Christ guided visites to hell.

One of the more interesting was an atheist MD . . . DR Eby or some such, IIRC . . .

Heart attack victim . . . A not very Christian childhood Episcopalian MD was resucitating him—11 times—rather an unusually high number of such attempts.

Every time the “Episcopal” MD would bring Dr Eby around, Dr Eby would be SCREAMING BLOOD CURDLINGLY LOUD:

“I’M IN HELL, GET ME OUT OF HERE! HELP! I’M IN HELL! GET ME OUT OF HERE!”

Episcopal MD found that rather disconcerting and annoying and finally, in exasperation, remembering faintly something from Sunday School, screamed back:

“OH, PRAY TO JESUS AND SHUT UP!”

That resucitation took and Dr Eby went on to live and then recount his experience in hell. He became a staunch Christian.


520 posted on 02/23/2011 1:09:53 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: topcat54

May the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rebuke such an ignorant perspective.


521 posted on 02/23/2011 1:11:14 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
I am very skeptical of near-death experiences of any kind, by anyone. Here, I found this and this explains my position very well:

Are books such as 90 minutes in Heaven and 23 minutes in Hell biblically based?

522 posted on 02/23/2011 1:24:18 PM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian
May the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rebuke such an ignorant perspective.

Are you a Lady Gaga fan?

As for Jesse, I hope God is merciful on this scam artist/false teacher.

523 posted on 02/23/2011 1:45:01 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; T Minus Four
Christ guided visites to hell.


524 posted on 02/23/2011 1:47:06 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; Lera; marbren; ...

Perhaps you’d benefit from The Lord giving you such a tour.

I’ll ask Him if He’d be willing to oblige.


525 posted on 02/23/2011 1:49:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: topcat54; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; Lera; marbren; ...

I guarantee it will take such derision right out of y’all—or anyone—in a flash.


526 posted on 02/23/2011 1:50:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; T Minus Four
SCREAMING BLOOD CURDLINGLY LOUD:

Never happened.

27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'
30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him,'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' " (Luke 16)
You’ve been snookered.
527 posted on 02/23/2011 1:50:20 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: topcat54

It’s sadly comforting when y’all display so brazenly such Biblical ignorance.


528 posted on 02/23/2011 1:51:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: topcat54

I agree.


529 posted on 02/23/2011 1:52:46 PM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; T Minus Four
I’ll ask Him if He’d be willing to oblige.

You gonna take a personal trip in Jesse DuPeePee’s cocoon with his angel bud?

As my wife says, “You ain’t been had until you’ve been had by a Christian.”

530 posted on 02/23/2011 1:54:46 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Quix; OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; T Minus Four
It’s sadly comforting when y’all display so brazenly such Biblical ignorance.

Only in the fantasy world of fundamentalist Futurama is quoting the Bible a sign of ignorance. (BTW, Luke 16 is in the Bible.)

I take your "rebuke" as a badge of honor.

531 posted on 02/23/2011 1:57:56 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RJR_fan; The Theophilus; Lee N. Field; 1000 silverlings

Ping to the party.


532 posted on 02/23/2011 2:01:12 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
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To: Mad Dawg
Actually, the classic response goes like this: of course my answer to your post will be the question of the body and blood of Christ. Then you will answer that is literal. And I will ask why the Lamb of God, the sheep, the door, the vine, etc. are all metaphors, but the body and blood are literal. Which will lead to the 'Upon this rock', Peter, popes, keys to the kingdom, etc. which will be met by tradition and doctrines, which will be countered by Sola Scriptura. And so the Carousel of Unity goes around and around. Scraping bottom, tilting to the right, and dragging towards the back.

Seeing what is not there, and denying what is clearly there can never be countered.

533 posted on 02/23/2011 2:09:58 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: topcat54; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

What slick use of potty language.

Impressive.

I think I’ll leave your . . . grossly flawed perspective and posts for a while.

They aren’t currently even mildly amusing.


534 posted on 02/23/2011 2:15:33 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
ABSOLUTELY INDEED. One of the more anointed, accurate, discerning, brilliant, clarifying moves he’s made on FR in all its existence

WOW. I'd have to go to the dog pound to see more butt kissing.

535 posted on 02/23/2011 2:34:05 PM PST by Hacksaw (Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” — H.L. Mencken)
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To: CynicalBear
Lousy attempt to sidetrack the conversation. I give you Ephesians (the Church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets), 1 Timothy (the Church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of truth)and Matthew 16 (the bestowing of the keys to Heaven to Peter) in order to lay out the authority.

You go off into some tirade about the Rock. I will quote my conclusion:

The keys are the final clue. Kings in those times gave the keys to the kingdom to their chief steward who looked after the day to day affairs for them. If the king went on a journey, the steward looked after the kingdom for him until he returned. Thus it is with the Church. They have the God-given authority, as Scripture affirms. The children of the Reformation do not.

And I will reaffirm what Scripture points out. Jesus gave the Church His authority on Earth. The children of the Reformation have none.

536 posted on 02/23/2011 2:40:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix

I think that you’re getting a tad pudgy around the middle and your roots need touching up. But the nose is positioned where I had imagined it to be.


537 posted on 02/23/2011 2:41:55 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: topcat54
*amtrak*

lol, the Silver Meteor

538 posted on 02/23/2011 2:44:57 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7; Quix; Larry Lucido
Just eliminate the Religion Forum altogether. It was a bad idea in the first place, and it has arrived at the place where it was always destined to anyhow.

"The tradition of Festivus begins with the Airing of Grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people!"

539 posted on 02/23/2011 2:49:04 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Where there's life, there's hope.

Certainly. I hope and pray for all Paulicians to reject their pagan ways and return to the Christianity of Jesus Christ, for instance.

540 posted on 02/23/2011 2:49:38 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Natural Law
How about I do not give a cr$p. As long as they are leaving me alone.
541 posted on 02/23/2011 2:52:22 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse, Lakota Sioux)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; rogator
Emphasizing the connection with the particular church rather than the Roman Church is IME common among very liberal Catholics and liberal bishops, many of whom actually see Roman Catholic as a derogatory term.

Good to know.

Those who refrain from self-identifying as "Roman Catholics" tend to be from the more liberal branch of that church.

Nice to see that your interpretation of posts is approximately as equal as your interpretation of Scripture. Notice the phrase: "Emphasizing the connection with the particular church rather than the Roman Church"?

Standing ovation. You've done it again.

542 posted on 02/23/2011 3:00:01 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix
The most interesting was Jesse Du Plantis who seemed to come and go in a kind of gondola capsule with an angel riding in it with him. No memory of the travels in it, however, just in getting out of it in Heaven and getting back in it in Heaven to return to earth. His narrative is on YouTube. His is the only one I’ve ever read with that detail.

Another fake and charlatan. Didn't he claim to comfort Jesus?

543 posted on 02/23/2011 3:02:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix
Most of the uninjured non-death-by-disease types of visits also included Christ guided visites to hell.

Most fairy stories are for-profit ventures.

544 posted on 02/23/2011 3:04:09 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix
It’s sadly comforting when y’all display so brazenly such Biblical ignorance.

Izzat so? You are the one spouting off about tours of heaven and hell. Any thoughts (!) on Dante's little sojourn?

545 posted on 02/23/2011 3:06:11 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Natural Law

Natural Law:

As long as the various Protestant groups represented here or other groups designate a thread as “Caucus” to discuss their own Theological positions and propose them for discussion and that thread does not get into a “compare and contrast”, then by all means I could care less as there is really nothing in most of those various traditions that interest me, and I would conjecture, most Catholics here.

There are few Traditional Anglicans and maybe some Lutherans who have some interesting things as those 2 groups have retained the Creeds and Liturgy and thus there is a better connection for charitable discussion between Catholics and Protestants from those Two traditions.

The only “Sola Scriptura” caucus thread that I saw that I questioned was the one regarding Egypt and its Christian population or lack thereof, etc. While the article mentioned that Egypt has a 10% Christian population, the article implied that what those Christians needed was American Protestantism, which in my view, was an implicit attack on the Coptic Orthodox Christians, who are probably 99% of the Christians in Egypt and have a history dating back to St. Mark in the 1st century.

Had the article in question stated there is chance to evangelize the 90% of Egypt’s population that is non-Christian, then I have no problem again, but it did mention the 10% of Egytians who belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church and thus the Eastern Orthodox should have been allowed to respond in that thread.

Still, if some group wants to form a caucus thread for discussing their own theology and tradition, go for it as from my perspective it actually helps because the threads labled Calvinist, Baptist, Joel Osteen, Pentecostal, Rapture/Dispensationalist caucus threads do not interest me at all. Period! and thus I save time.

Regards


546 posted on 02/23/2011 3:31:44 PM PST by CTrent1564
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To: T Minus Four; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ...

WEllllllllllllllll

I firmly believe such a perspective/attitude is Biblically and experientially wrong.

For those interested in considering the evidence:


Dr Richard Eby:

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaz3nMg43I

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVOl67VbN0I

first time I’ve come across the below. He comes across as quite Biblical and devoted to Jesus:

PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT . . . PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezmh8Im8HJM

PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcfrExMleCQ&feature=related

PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUTT PART 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh-g1CdwcnQ&NR=1

PASTOR LONNIE HONEYCUT PART 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCCu4MTfwSg

JESSE DUPLANTIS CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND:

PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1UMwZEUHk&playnext=1&list=PL816708F436BC1426

PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2igwF4NTR8Q&playnext=1&list=PL816708F436BC1426

PART 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOKfC5JoB14&playnext=1&list=PL816708F436BC1426

PART 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5todV21iDvU&feature=related


For those obsessed with contending over such with what come across to me as ignorant jerk-water opinions—knock yourself out. I may not reply.

For those who are willing to seek The Lord about what HE WOULD SAY TO YOU about such—Wonderful. May He speak clearly to you.


547 posted on 02/23/2011 3:35:11 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

You can stop yelling at me please. I already told you politely how I believe.

I don’t think it’s a “hill to die on” issue.

I’m not arguing with you or mocking you about it, I just firmly don’t believe in it.

Continue the discussion if you wish, but without me - we’ll catch up aain later bro :-)


548 posted on 02/23/2011 3:39:27 PM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

Wasn’t yelling.

As you wish.

Later.


549 posted on 02/23/2011 3:42:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MarkBsnr

>> I give you Ephesians (the Church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets),<<

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Nothing about Peter being the rock nor the pope there. Jesus is the cornerstone.

1 Cor. 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Hmm. Seems Paul would disagree about your concept of the foundation.

Check this site: http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisName/foundationtwo.html

Misconception #1—Apostles, along with Prophets, Are the Foundation of the Church.

This is probably the most serious misconception and is based on a faulty reading of Eph. 2:20 where Paul tells the Ephesian believers that they are being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets . . .. In the Greek, “apostles and prophets” is in the genitive case, the case which shows possession. It is like saying “the car of John Doe.” Although the car and John Doe are related, it does not follow that the car is John Doe or that John Doe is the car.

In the same way, it does not follow that the foundation is identical with the apostles and prophets or that the apostles and prophets are identical with the foundation. Paul is actually referring to the foundation which is laid by the apostles and prophets as is borne out in his 1st letter to the Corinthian Church; a church he, as an apostle, had founded.

In 1 Cor. 3:10-11, Paul refers to his founding of the church at Corinth and says, I have laid the foundation and another builds on it. What foundation did Paul lay for the church in Corinth? He says in vs. 11, For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid which is Jesus Christ. The foundation of the apostle Paul in Corinth was Jesus Christ.

>> The keys are the final clue.<<

An in Matthew 18 Jesus gave the keys and power to all the apostles.


550 posted on 02/23/2011 4:03:13 PM PST by CynicalBear
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