Skip to comments.Abuse of Caucus [whiner's caucus]
Posted on 02/22/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Natural Law
An alarming trend is developing in the Free Republic Religion Forum in which a caucus identifier is being claimed for non-existent or impossibly defined groups. With the caucuses being self defined we see nonsense like the Sola Scriptura Caucus. Of course it doesnt mean all Scripture, only the thread initiators or Forum Moderators definition of Scripture. Jews who believe in the Scripture of the Old Testament are excluded. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovahs Witnesses are excluded even though they believe in the sufficiency of their own versions of Scripture. The not so transparent purpose of these faux caucuses is clearly to exclude a group of FReepers in a modern day repetition of Whites Only and Irish Need Not Apply prejudice. If this is allowed to stand what will we see next; caucuses so narrowly defined so as to only include ones bridge club or to exclude an individual FReeper? How about a caucus designation for everyone but citizens from New York? How about a mens only caucus? How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs? And what is being discussed in these faux caucus threads? Critical doctrinal issues such as ruggedized aircraft, home schooling, and civil unrest in Egypt. Give me a break!
“As far as “annoying pictures” go, I’ve seen Roman Catholics get extremely “annoyed” at the following photo. Does that mean we shouldn’t post it? “
Misguided Muslims are deserving of prayer and blessings, just like Proddy heretics who are misled by Calvin.
Yo, quixie, where's the video of his trip? Musta had a cell phone cam with him, no?
Jesse DuPlantation is a fraud. There's a sucker born every day. Then there are born again suckers who eat up this junk. Did you send him money or something?
All of those questions are the result of poor reading comprehension. They misrepresent The One Universal Church.
Jesse DuPlantation is a fraud.
Unless he repents, that will be his only "glimpse of heaven". I could only watch a few minutes of it before I was embarrassed for him and the legions of myrmidons filling the auditorium. How can anyone lie like that and appear so sincere. It can only be from true delusions or lots of practice.
Visions of Elmer Gantry. I try to watch these yahoos every so often just to keep abreast of who’s fleecing the flock. It is absolutely painful. It’s like listening to Vogon poetry. I’m convinced that no one indwelt by the Holy Spirit would have anything to do with these people.
I’m not following you on how you think that those who argue against idolatry are claiming more than one god. Can you spell that out for me a little more?
And I agree we all have some idolatry in our heart but it comes down to basic presuppositions. Of course as a biblical Christian I believe we need to hold to the basic presuppositions of Scripture. The basic presuppositions of Scripture are Creation, Fall, Redemption and future glorification. Jesus is the center of the story. If the gaze remains upon Jesus and his impact on these presuppositions whatever other idolatry is left in our heart is not imputed to us because we trust in the righteousness of Jesus.
As to the Muslims, they fail to acknowledge Jesus as their righteousness.
Do you know where I could find that homeschooling thread that was ‘sola scriptura’ caucused? I’ve tried keywords ‘homeschool’, ‘homeschooling’, ‘sola scriptura’, etc, without luck.
"Misguided muslims" may be in need of our prayers, but what blessings would you confer on them while they remain "misguided?"
Thankfully, I've seen Roman Catholics on this forum denounce JPII's satanic smooch of the Koran, a book that demands death for Christians and Jews.
It's a profound sadness that those people are in the very smallest of minorities on FR. Most RCs defend JPII's blasphemy, just like they defend the rest of Rome's liberal agenda.
lol. Even when the truth is spoken by a member of their own church, Roman Catholic STILL apologists deny it.
lolol. The Religion Forum is still here.
It’s a Festivus miracle!
At some point in these BIBLICALLY MULTIPLY PREDICTED END TIMES,
The Lord Himself will begin to strike ministers and evangelists who's god is money--DEAD IN THEIR PULPITS--INSTANTLY--BOOM--WHAM--FLAT ON THE FLOOR DEAD.
At some point, He will also do that with a number of folks who've derisively mocked ministers and evangelists who's hearts were truly toward God in spite of some pretty glaring flaws.
FWIW to the discerning and wise . . . if there are any such around.
I believe it was this one: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2678185/posts (based on posts within the thread).
It appears that the caucus designation was removed at some point.
The Mormons multiple Bibles. Are you one of them?
The Lord Himself will begin to strike ministers and evangelists who's god is money--DEAD IN THEIR PULPITS--INSTANTLY--BOOM--WHAM--FLAT ON THE FLOOR DEAD
Then I'd move away from some of your friends if I were you.
FWIW to the discerning and wise . . . if there are any such around.
You mean the alien abduction discerning and wise? Or the highway to heaven in a cocoon with angelic escort discerning and wise? Or the I'll believe anything I read on the Internet that supports Futurama no matter how nutty discerning and wise?
Let's get specific.
I read that link...but that simply states similar to Protestants who might follow ‘Calvins’ teachings..or ‘Luthers’...or others of the Protestant faiths. They are simply seperate names meaning differeing lines of faith in what they practice.
Again Catholics just names them differently but they still point to denomination differences.. yet centered in what each church parish adheres to in those rites. It still remains as well, church centered.
There certainly is a universal unity of believers in Christ...with Christ as the head...just as there was after Penticost...and later on we read in Revelations.... These churches were united by the spirit of Christ...with Christ as head, just as many Protestant and Independant Churches are today.
But in the Catholic churches it does seem to be more about either or submitting to Rome...or just on the fringe of that. So would the Catholic church members survive without the priests, rites and Rome?.... Whereas I do believe any Protestant members would surely survive without a church or the leadership within each as their memberships are a reflection of Christ to the world.. and that light is not dependant on an institute or it’s leadership rather in the person of Jesus Christ.
It’s Quix’s birthday! (or very nearly)
He may be one weird D00d, but he’s OUR one weird D00d!
Hold him up to the Lord. My Goodness he needs it!
THANKS TONS BRO.
Bless you, too.
Friday . . .
I forget when your’s is. I’m terrible about such things.
True enough but it aint easy sometimes.
Happy birthday and God bless.
May The Lord return such abundantly to you.
“Misguided muslims” may be in need of our prayers, but what blessings would you confer on them while they remain “misguided?” “
I would think that even a Presbyterian and a Catholic could agree that prayers and blessings for Muslims would be in hope that they are guided to the Light of Jesus Christ.
It's been awhile, but I've dusted off the microphone. Ladies and Gentlemen, put your hands together, as Alex Murphy sings again!
In The Forum
To the tune of "In The Ghetto" by Elvis Presley
As the guano flies
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little newbie handle is born
In the Forum
Will the liberal moan?
if there's one thing that he don't need
an objective set of morals that he won't heed
In the Forum
People, don't you understand
this country needs a helping hand
or we'll wake up Socialist some day
Read your Bible every day
"Do not steal" means what it says
will you simply turn your heads
and look the other way?
Well the thread turns cold
and the whiny little boy with the turned-up nose
he types with his feet, and his argument blows
In the Forum
And his anger burns
so he starts to roam the boards at night
and he learns how to covet
and he learns how to fight
In the Forum
Then one night in desperation
this FReeper man goes awry
He spams the threads, tries to break some hearts
bends the truth, but he don't get far
And makes Jesus cry
As the crowd gathers 'round, the angry young man
makes a home in the gutter, throwing temper tantrums
In the Forum
And the young man cries
on a cold and gray Chicago mornin',
another little newbie handle is born
In the Forum
But why do you say this of Pastor Duplantis? doesn’t he teach from the bible?
I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.
That is PRICELESS!!!!!!
Its not the Bible Im worried about. Its the heavenly voices and word of knowledge that supplies these hucksters with their ammo that concerms me. Theres probably a clinical name for it.
"The easily duped you will have with you always."
That’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are!
Thanks for your kind words.
I don’t recall Jesse saying why or if he was even told why.
It’s been my observation that God sometimes tells folks why and often does not. It’s not as though God is big on explaining HIS WHY’S to mortals.
In some cases, it’s been because prayer warriors, faithful servants in The Lord have prayed to be able to see Heaven and return—usually prayed many years for such.
In many cases, God says something like—I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND TELL THEM—TIME IS SHORT; GET READY; FORGIVE EVERYONE; HEAVEN IS WORTH IT ALL; HELL IS REAL; etc. etc. etc.
Sometimes it seems like a special tickle in Daddy God’s heart to just bless a treasured believer with such an experience.
That’s the range of things I’m aware of. I don’t pretend to read God’s mind well, if at all.
I like Jesse because he’s candid, down home real etc. Sure he likes spit and polish—that’s his background. But he’s been through being a rock star and the whole Southern Cajun experience and he’s not all that interested in phony stuff.
I thought it was interesting that when The Lord showed him his mansion—all the details were just as Jesse would have picked out himself. DOH! God certainly knows the thoughts and intents of our hearts.
I find a LOT of RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS TYPES to be very . . . welllll . . . UNGODLY. I’m not here speaking of gross immorality though the effect is likely worse.
I mean askew from God’s heart and His priorities.
The pharisees were all ready to stone the woman. Christ had a different priority.
The pharisees were convinced they knew the Scriptures well and how to apply them and stoning was the only fitting option.
Christ had a different priority.
The publican thought he had prancing prayers down just right. God had a different priority.
The Magicsterical Sanhedrin was convinced it was infallable and could execute God’s judgment precisely correctly and righteously. God snookered them.
Throughout Scripture and history man has presumed to have successfully packaged God in man’s tidy little boxes. And, to have discerned precisely and exclusively correctly even God’s own packaging of Himself.
GOD HAS ALWAYS PROVEN BIGGER THAN THAT—than either one.
God seems to love to use the unlovely, strange, katty-wumpus and unesteemed to confound the wise. It seems to be a major hobby of His.
And, often He seems to seize on this or that core aspect of a believer’s heart after God and run with that and seemingly not pay much attention to a lot of other true garbage in the process . . . at least for many long years.
Sometimes it seems like the undealt with flaws are to remind the servant of God about how human they are. Sometimes it seems like they are to dare/challenge onlookers to focus on God’s priorities, avoid carnal fleshy, mean spirited judgment and focus exclusively on what God is doing in the situation rather than on the flawed vehicle God may be working through.
I see endless cat-calls on FR about all manner of folks. Generally, the harsh, critical, prissy, arrogant, mean-spirited judgments are much more of a stench to God than whatever they are criticizing.
Folks flinging such mud and such rocks have clearly never had their own crud rubbed in their faces sufficiently horribly to quit such spiritually destructive activities.
That could be quite frightful. Have they crossed a line where God no longer disciplines them? That would be pretty horrible.
Personally, I thin Jesse’s story can stand on it’s own.
When he returned from his Heavenly visitation, he was a bit late for his speaking in the large church where he was visiting. So he walks down the asile from the back up to the platform to speak. And, as he’s walking he thought the people were particularly odd in the way they looked at him and were looking at him, pointing at him and talking to those standing nearby—evidently about him. Something about that was unusual and strikinglyi so.
Then he gets to the platform and the pastor looks at him strangely. Come to find out, his countenance was literally very overtly glowing—giving off a very evident light that everyone in the room could see.
The naysayers on FR have no explanation for that. They can deny it; disbelieve it etc. but they have no explanation for that. It flushes all their catcalls and derisions right down the toilet. It proves they are wrong and Jesse was right. I think that’s hillarious.
Another cute tidbit . . . Maybe it was driving back from that engagement. I don’t recall . . . I forget the specifics but they were something like say a 3 hour or 5 hour or some such drive was involved. Along the way, Jesse gets to worshiping and singing and he and the car seem to be just engulfed in a glorious anointed fog sort of something. Anyway—after a bit, that dissipates and Jesse notices that he’s about at his turnoff to his home. And from the time he left to the time he arrives at his home, it’s about 30 minutes or some such has transpired—a total impossibility. His wife verifies the time stamps. I think Jesse had gassed up before leaving the distant city and had that or a phone call time as one time stamp.
I love it when God pulls stunts like that. And God seems to love it, too. However, He virtually never does it for rock throwing critical judgment, mean-spirit pharisee types.
From God’s perspective, evidently, they can go suck rocks.
"What you mean, 'we,' Kemo Sabe?"
BTW, some have claimed that the Scripture about the richman and Lazarus etc. speaks of an unbreachable gulf etc. etc.
Yeah, there is evidently a routinely unbreachable gulf . . . particularly before Christ’s Crucifixion & Resurrection.
However . . . Many folks were resurrected at that dramatic event . . . and evidently wandered around alive to die again . . . witnessing about God and The Resurrection and Heaven.
Certainly God can do whatever He wants consistent with His word.
A LOT of assumptionis and presumptions about what the Bible says are human inventions—just as the pharisees’ understandings were human inventions.
God does NOT fit in any box, no matter how big we think we’ve constructed it.
These sorts of experiences have been increasing the last 10-20 years. The better ones are all quite congruent. They depict the God of the Bible. They depict the Heaven of the Bible.
Yet, they also seem to be tailored to the individuals involved. What a surprise.
To my mind, Heaven and God are both vast and complex enough to slice and dice such realities and presentations pretty much however He wishes consistent with HIS UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN WORD.
He does NOT have to get my OK on it!
The key test to me . . . in addition to whether the experiences are consistent with Scripture’s core priorities or not . . . do they bring God glory—do they lift up God’s priorities—do they strengthen folks RELATIONSHIPS WITH GOD.
All the ones I have any interest in, do. AND THEY GREATLY DO SO in many cases.
At some point, those who throw rocks at such are the losers. They clearly lack discernment of the most minimal level and/or their biases are blinding them to some treasures FROM GOD. That’s dumb.
But I do not understand why he says the Holy Spirit was not in heaven. The Holy Spirit is God and is everywhere. This is the God of life and not death
The naysayers on FR have no explanation for that.
One word: Flatulence.
"Suddenly I felt a suction as if I was being pulled up out of the room. . .I heard a sound, Whoosh! And I was pulled up out of the room. . .I didn't know I had left the room and I was zooming along at a phenomenal rate of speed. . .in something like a cable car. . .Then I looked up. There stood another being. I realized that it was the blond-headed angel who had visited me. . . have an appointment with the Lord God Jehovah." (JD)Kinda like the last scene in Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. How many others have had a ride in Jesses E-Ticket heavenly cable car?
I don’t understand that either.
And there were things he didn’t understand.
I suppose it’s conceivable that HS’s theme of operation on the whole, His focus—is earth at present.
Yet, saying it that way would seem to me, to be at least in some senses inaccurate because I construe HS to hold the fabric of reality together and to permeate all that is.
But what do I know.
That’s one of those things I just put on a shelf and wait and see what God confirms or rephrases or whatever.
I don’t consider Jesse infallible even about his own trip to Heaven.
That is not what the scripture says, we Presbyterians believe in scripture not in any additional discoveries. What you are saying, if I read it correctly is not in scripture. How can people see the face of God and come back to earth and live?
I don’t think he saw the face of God as we think of seeing the face of God.
He may have seen the area or in front of the area where God’s face would be, so to speak.
I forget precisely what he saw in that area . . . but there was no focused clearly discernable facial features of God’s face seen, IIRC.
Out of more than 25 such incidents, I don’t recall any others.
There may have been one or two mentions of some sort of vehicle without any clear description of it’s design or nature but I wouldn’t swear to that.
Folks seem to forget . . . Jesse affirms the basic cardinal doctrines of the faith as well as that Jesus came in the flesh etc.
AND the fruit of his ministry for The Kingdom of God is considerable—including helping the poor etc.
He fills the Scriptural standard of what TRUE RELIGION UNDEFILED is, in terms of the operations of his organization, as far as I can tell.
Certainly the enemy digs up all the rocks he can to throw at such.
Can we all experience this wonderful experience of being carried up to heaven or being filled with the Holy Spirit? Has the Holy Spirit ever filled you inside and used you to conduct His work?
You, sir, are an AR-TEEST!!!!
What a strange question for a Christian to ask.
Scripture says . . .
“. . . severally AS HE WILLS . . . “
” to seek the best gifts . . . if tongues, then interpretation . . . prophecy . . . “
without Love . . . all is a tingling cymbal and a clanging gong.
Last question . . . yes.
I don’t know what God’s criteria are for Heavenly visitations.
His Word does say . . . we have not, because we ask not . . . or ask amiss.
“Billy Graham said we all needed refilled daily
‘cause we all leak.
And . . . a lot of folks let the cares of daily life take precedence over Holy Spirit’s leadings and nudgings.
So it could have been Satan for all we know, the angel of light.
In fact I think Satan is a blonde, Lucifer.
Sounds like a RUBBERIZED story.
cause we all leak.
Hate to break this to you brother, but that is the Roman Catholic formulation.
It is the difference between infusion (RCism) and imputation. That is why they go to confession, play with their prayer beads, make pilgramages to obscure artisian wells, etc. They need to top off the grace that was given to them at Baptism. The grace that leaks out with every little sin they commit.