Skip to comments.Pope exonerates Jews for Jesusí death
Posted on 03/02/2011 11:14:14 AM PST by T Minus Four
Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book. In Jesus of Nazareth-Part II excerpts released on Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death. Interpretations to the contrary have been used for centuries to justify the persecution of Jews. While the Catholic Church has for five decades taught that Jews weren't collectively responsible, Jewish scholars said on Wednesday the argument laid out by the German-born pontiff, who has had his share of mishaps with Jews, was a landmark statement from a pope that would help fight anti-Semitism today. "Holocaust survivors know only too well how the centuries-long charge of 'Christ killer' against the Jews created a poisonous climate of hate that was the foundation of anti-Semitic persecution whose ultimate expression was realised in the Holocaust," said Elan Steinberg of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants.
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Here is what I said. “Um no...that is just a stupid comment.”
Since the post stated two ridiculous things about The Catholic Church, that are not true, I think my comments were on point.
Have a good night.
OK thanks. I’d be interested to find out why. In my experience, FR has pretty much the least arbitrary censorship list of any site out there. People with pretty much any view are tolerated, unless they are leftists here to cause trouble.
I hate to play one pope against another but Peter did not agree with Benedict
Whoever wrote this - and anyone who believes that Benedict did anything new here - is a moron.
John Paul II did the same thing.
So did Paul VI
So did John XXIII
So did Pius XII
I bet there are a lot of morons out there who will believe this article’s implication that this is something new.
***Well, we all know that you werent taught correctly about anything to do with the Catholic Church...***
Mom was a genuine Roman Catholic. So if she wasn’t taught correctly, it stands to reason it was Romes fault, not hers.
Thankfully she was regenerated and now walks in the light.
By the way RB, have you heard the good news? That Jesus died for your sins?
We must remember that it was the Jewish leaders who insited the people by planting people in the crowds to stir them up. Rather like the Unions are doing now in our country.
I have no problem believing the Jewish religious/politcal leaders were responsible....they wanted Jesus out of the way entirely as they knew people were following Him and He didn’t have anything good to say to them about that which they were teaching the people.
People are easily mislead and the Jewish people in that crowd were also mislead...and purposely so. So No it was not the Jewish people who are responsible....
Rather as Uriel’ mentioned....we can each put our faces at the foot of the cross for it is our own sins that put Him there.
Wow, so I can stop bathing in the blood of Christian children to stop my skin problems?
Indeed the good sisters of St Mary of Namur were very clear that the Jews killed Jesus....
Peter pointed at the Jews as needing to repent .. only one Pope can be correct ya know.. so is it Peter or Benedict?
Mel Gibson already thinks he and his Holocaust denying father are more Catholic than the Pope regardless.
1) re: God will not condemn those who did not get that gift.
ANSWER: God gives the same gift to everyone, it's called grace.
2) re: "God will not condemn those who (through)no fault of their own hence the word invincible ignorance.That too is dogma
ANSWER: Invincible ignorance is a theological construct, a theory, with no dogmatic status whatsoever. No one is without fault for they all get the grace from God.
Besides, are you saying that all those who die outside of the Church are so dense so ignorant that God's Grace, "who can turn stones into son of Abraham" can't convert them?
It's funny how many people on this thread are hung up on the words. Teaching is not done by words alone.
Look at the actions taken by the Church and the absolutely consistent, resolute inaction against anti-Semitism, the supposed "perversion" of the faith, over a period of at least 16-17 centuries.
Expulsion of Jews from the Papal Sates by the Pope himself --- that's not a lesson for the flock that lives and property of the Jews are up for grabs? That's not teaching for you?
John 8...Yahshua tells it like it is...
It's always the fault of the person who left the church for not being *taught correctly* or *properly catechized*?
They should have known better. If they weren't being taught correctly, they should have somehow magically known that and it was up to them to make sure they got correct teaching from the church.
Rome and the Church is NEVER at fault.
***Peter pointed at the Jews as needing to repent .. only one Pope can be correct ya know.. so is it Peter or Benedict?***
It seems there is a fracture in Tradition.
So it used to be that the sins of all mankind that sent Jesus to the cross (this is what I was taught),
.......but now it’s only the sins of the Gentiles that sent Him to the cross?
I hope the Pope’s actual words have greater clarity than this reporter at explaining his meaning. If he meant that the Jews have no SPECIAL responsibility, I’m in agreement, but they are still generally responsible, as are the rest of us.
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. I could waste a whole boatload of official Church teachings on anti-semitism on you and it would have no effect. Honestly, I know what certain Catholics did in the past deeply hurt the Jewish. What I don’t understand why you feel the need to beat a dead horse. You seem hung up on decrees ect..like it’s the gospel.
Nothing by me, but your answer may be found here: The Popes Against the Jews, Part 6:- http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/02/popes-against-jews-part-6-show-so-far.html
An understanding of Luther’s attitude toward the Jews can be seen here: http://tquid.sharpens.org/luther_Jews.htm
Peter did change the Jews with Jesus death in Acts 2, but we are all guilty of killing Christ, as my flesh and our is at enmity against God, and is irreformable (Rm. 8:7) ( if that’s a word). Paul, like Moses (being a type of him), was willing to be damned for their sake, (Ex. 32:32; Rm. 9:3) but also condemned them a whole and said, “wrath is come upon them to the uttermost,” as they harshly resisted the gospel, (1Thes. 2:16) with blindness resulting as a judgment. (Jn. 12:35,36)
But God promised a yet future reversing of the curse, and so all Israel (a remnant that is left) shall be saved, to the glory of God. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/israel-chosenorforgotten.html)
Older news release: Pope Benedict on Jews (June 14, 1751)
Any post with an opening like that is an admission that you have no reply to the substantive issues raised.
As if additional confirmation were needed to give two confirmations to my previous post:
whole boatload of official Church teachings...You seem hung up on decrees
On the contrary, I explicitly stated the opposite:
Look at the actions taken.
I urged YOU not to be hung up on decrees and writings.
I know what certain Catholics did in the past deeply hurt the Jewish.
The question is not what individual Catholics did: individual Jews, individual Protestants or individual Hindus may have committed many wrongs. The question was what Catholic Church, as an institution, did and did NOT do for almost two millennia.
And you are asking why I mention that? Precisely because of people like you, who huff and puff and get all worked up but have nothing substantive to say and yet try wiggle out by talking about some nebulous "individual Catholics." Yeh, and concentration camps in Russia were just a mistaken behavior of individual communists.
Individuals make individual mistakes, When the same pattern of behavior is exhibited over 16-17 centuries, it is no longer a mere combination of individual behaviors but an organizational behavior.
So what did move you to twist my words and avoid the issue? Is that intellectually honest on your part? You don't have to reply to this post --- answer yourself, your Holiness.
Thanks, I have not seen this document before.
I thought Rome executed him. Jewish law didn’t allow for the execution.
The distinction between “the cause” and “the reason” seems to elude you.
While the Romans did the actual dastardly deed, the Jews were really responsible for falsely accusing Him, turning Him over, and demanding His execution. And they did accept responsibility for it.
Yes, in one respect, we are all guilty, as our sin is what caused it to be necessary in the first place, but the Jews did take responsibility for it.
Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."
Looks like Peter had a different opinion of who was responsible for Jesus death.
Which pope is right, I wonder?????
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
I will sleep so much better now knowing this. What a relief.
You can cynically laugh at this, after all, what does it it matter?! Well, it does. If you knew the every day casual, for lack of a better word, anti-semitism still alive and well, thriving in all parts of Europe, harmless to be sure, or almost harmless, I can testify to that personally, then you’ll appreciate the significance of the Papa’s statement. Maybe it’ll do some good if it’s read from the pulpit at my sister’s church next Sunday.
He willingly chose to die for our sins. To say that anyone killed Him would infer that they had power over Him.
They did not, and no one of this earth ever will.<
There you have it. Salvation.
Day late and a dollar short!
That was nice of him, the creep. But what about the Romans?
You beat me to it.
Jesus makes it pretty clear in John 19:11 that the Jews who turned him over to Pilate were responsible for his death.
You take yourself entirely too seriously, my friend.
It is only the distinction that is serious.
Thanks. Knew that (one of many) but Isaiah has the greatest prophesy. It’s the way it was spelled out.
Here's the Catechism of Trent (AD 1566) which teaches the same thing taught by today's Catechism which is exactly what the Church has been teaching for 2000 years and will continue to teach for all the time that separates us from the Second Coming: Christ died for the sins of ALL of humanity, represented by Jews AND Gentiles in the account of his Sorrowful Passion:
"[...]REASONS WHY CHRIST SUFFERED
The reasons why the Saviour suffered are also to be explained, that thus the greatness and intensity of the divine love towards us may the more fully appear. Should anyone inquire why the Son of God underwent His most bitter Passion, he will find that besides the guilt inherited from our first parents the principal causes were the vices and crimes which have been perpetrated from the beginning of the world to the present day and those which will be committed to the end of time. In His Passion and death the Son of God, our Saviour, intended to atone for and blot out the sins of all ages, to offer for them to his Father a full and abundant satisfaction. Besides, to increase the dignity of this mystery, Christ not only suffered for sinners, but even for those who were the very authors and ministers of all the torments He endured. Of this the Apostle reminds us in these words addressed to the Hebrews: Think diligently upon him that endured such opposition from sinners against himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in you minds.25 In this guilt are involved all those who fall frequently into sin; for, as our sins consigned Christ the Lord to the death of the cross, most certainly those who wallow in sin and iniquity crucify to themselves again the Son of God, as far as in them lies, and make a mockery of Him.26 This guilt seems more enormous us than in the Jews, since according to the testimony of the same Apostle: If they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory;27 while we, on the contrary, profess to know Him, yet denying Him by our actions, seem in some to lay violent hands on him.
CHRIST WAS DELIVERED OVER TO DEATH BY THE FATHER AND BY HIMSELF<> But that Christ the Lord was also delivered over to death by Father and by Himself, the Scriptures bear witness. For in as (God the Father) says: For the wickedness of my people I struck him.28 And a little before the same Prophet filled with the Spirit of God, cried out, as he saw the Lord covered with stripes and wounds: All we like sheep have gone astray, every one hath turned aside into his own way: and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.29 But of the Son it is written: If he shall lay down his life for sin, he shall see a long-lived seed.30 This the Apostle expresses in language still stronger when, in order to show how confidently we, on our part, should trust in the boundless mercy and goodness of God, he says: He that spared not even his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how hath he not also, with him, given us all things.31 *
THE BITTERNESS OF CHRIST'S PASSION
The next subject of the pastor's instruction is the bitterness of the Redeemer's Passion. If we bear in mind that his sweat became as drops of blood, trickling down upon the ground and this,32 at the sole anticipation of the torments and agony which He was about to endure, we must at once perceive that His sorrows admitted of no increase. For if the very idea of impending evils was overwhelming, and the sweat of blood shows that it was, what are we to suppose their actual endurance to have been? That Christ our Lord suffered the most excruciating torments of mind and body is certain. In the first place, there was no part of His body that did not experience the most agonizing torture. His hands and feet were fastened with nails to the cross; His head was pierced with thorns and smitten with a reed; His face was befouled with spittle and buffeted with blows; His whole body was covered with stripes. Furthermore men of all ranks and conditions were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.33 Gentiles and Jews were the advisers, the authors, the ministers of His Passion; Judas betrayed Him, Peter denied Him, all the rest deserted Him.[...]"
OK, wait right here. The protestants, Muslims, athiests and communists don't give a ripe fig what the Pope says. He's certainly not MY "Papa". My Father lives and reigns in heaven and I bow to no man.
Are you suggesting it's the CATHOLICS who are anti-semites in Europe and the Pope is attempting to rein them in?
If you’re shaping your views about Christianity and the Catholic Church based on Chick publications I pray for your soul. (I will anyway)
Sadly, you’ll have lots of company on these threads, you have some learning to do. See, now you know you can’t post directly to Chick links. You need to learn to take Chick-like positions and paraphrase the comic books. Some not too clever anti-Catholics post bits of the stuff word for word and google shows where they got it from, a “gotcha” moment.
I see you’re a “Christian”, no denomination. There are many “Christian” churches of one members here who “believe the Bible” like you. Amazingly they all seem to think they’re interpretations are driven by the Holy Spirit, but if that were true they would all come to the same conclusions and interpretations, which, as you might imagine is next to impossible.
There is one thing that seems to most unite them, they KNOW the Catholic Church is wrong, that they can agree on.
You’ve made a great start here though, you’ve linked to Chick, were shocked that Chick is banned and then posted a picture of Priests in what some deluded fools might think is giving a Nazi salute. This tactic has been tried many times before, try to catch up.
You might also want to experiment with HTML, you can use multiple multi colored fonts and really, really, really large text and even funny pictures and gifs to draw attention to yourself.
You’re going to fit in just fine.
“youve linked to Chick”
I posted a picture which resided on the jesus-is-savior server. Apparently that counts as a link, even though you wouldn’t know unless you right-clicked on the link and selected ‘properties’.
You can’t possibly be claiming that there weren’t MANY pro-Hitler priests?
By the way, I got the picture by searching google for “hitler salute by priests”. (There are MANY pictures, the one I posted was just the first)
If Google had banned “jesus-is-savior”, then I might have posted one of these:
Would you prefer that Google ban that website?
By the way, I got the picture by searching google for hitler salute by priests.
LOL, soon you’ll be googling “Catholics worship Mary” and “The Pope is the Anti-Christ”.
Yup, you’re going to fit in just fine here, you’ll have lots of friends.
Do you disagree that those pictures are accurate?
I see you’re new here, unless you used to have a different screen name.
The subject has been beaten to death, search the archives if you must.
Hopefully one day, you’ll come full circle in your journey into Christianity. Perhaps you’ll graduate from non-denominational church of one “Christian” who does google searches for Priests giving Nazi salute to a member of the Catholic Church!
But if you are going to smear the church in this way, you have to be careful. A lot of those photos have been cropped to give a false impression and many of them have false captions attached to them. For example, the photo you posted was from 1933. Often it is cropped to exclude the Protestant pastors on the right of the stage. You could have picked the better one for your purpose.
“You could have picked the better one for your purpose.”
What was my purpose?
I can't help you if you don't know. Good luck with it though.