I would suggest that you study what we actually say about our doctrines, and not rely on what others may say about us.
On the subject of deification, you might to start with the summary by Millet and Reynolds, Do Latter-day Saints believe that men and women can become gods? It states in part,
This doctrine is generally referred to as deification, and the LDS expression of this doctrine is often misrepresented and misunderstood. Latter-day Saints do not believe that human beings will ever be independent of God, or that they will ever cease to be subordinate to God. They believe that to become as God means to overcome the world through the atonement of Jesus Christ (see 1 John 5:45; Revelation 2:7, 11). Thus the faithful become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ and will inherit all things just as Christ inherits all things (see Romans 8:17; Galatians 4:7; 1 Corinthians 3:2123; Revelation 21:7). They are received into the "church of the firstborn," meaning they inherit as though they were the firstborn (see Hebrews 12:23). There are no limitations on these scriptural declarations; those who become as God shall inherit all things. In that glorified state they will resemble our Savior; they will receive his glory and be one with him and with the Father (see 1 John 3:2; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 3:18; John 17:2123; Philippians 3:21).
Are you familiar with the Lorenzo Snow couplet? Your recently departed prophet, Hinckley, played loose with the truth when asked in interviews about it, then taught it to the general council as if he was quite familiar with it. If you do know the couplet, then your above post is purposely deceptive. I don’t want to believe that of you, FRiend. You might want to study more closely the blasphemies your founder and subsequent ‘prophets’ have uttered as dogma of LDS.
I’m sure you know that your founder, Joe Smith, taught that God gained the attributes of godhood by living as a man like us, that after being appointed by a council of gods, the god of Mormonism later added The holy spirit and Jesus to the troika of gods over Earth. Shall I post the quotes which verify this is what your founders have taught as gospel of LDS?
In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)
I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)
"I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father [Mormons need to see the absolute lie planted here in a long teaching! Joseph MSith was a liar, conman, sexual predator of married women.], you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? ... Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? ... I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).
In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)
There is much more, dug right out of your religion's JOurnal of Discourses, the teaching of your religion's leadership. Bob Millett teaches or taught young people about to go on Mormon mission how to deceive and avoid answering the tough questions some might pose which expose the blasphemies at the heart of Mormonism ... and you want to quote his work as instructive of LDS inc? Why not read you own JOurnal of Discourses!
OK. Let's see what Brigham Young had to say.......
The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. (Journal of Discourse, Volume 11, Page 269, 1866) Brigham Young
Adam is God: Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! About whom holy men have written and spokenHE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. (Journal of Discourse, Volume 1, Page 50, 1852, and The Millennial Star, Volume 15, Page 769)
Jesus said in Matthew 22:30 "30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Either you believe Brigham Young or Jesus. You can't have it both ways.
Joseph Smith denies the divinity of God.
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man .it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see .and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).
The bible warns us of false prophets.
No Other Gospel
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under Gods curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under Gods curse!
“I would suggest that you study what we actually say about our doctrines, and not rely on what others may say about us.”
Sorry Logo. I have and do read what MORMONS say about MORMONISM.
So your premise is wrong. Everything I said stands. Show me the quotes, as I requested, or drop the pretense of mormonism agreeing with Christians.
PS - Is this the same Millet that tells people to avoid the truth and “lie for the Lord?”
You refer in the quote to the mormon heresy of what it means
to “become one” in John 17. As usual, it is just enough truth to sound accurate. It fails to hold up under examination.
The problem for guys like you is that you “enter the room”
with a Giant Curelom following you - a huge assumption - and
then you see it in the room and assume it was always there.
It followed you in boss.
If you start with the Bible, and read the context, you won’t come up with becoming a god, since Christ specifies what He means.
The context is very clear. Here it is...
Jesus prayed first that the Holy God the Father would keep them in Your Name (loyal to God) - the ultimate end of which would be unity among the 12 Apostles Christ was praying for specifically.
In verse 12, Jesus goes on to say to the Father that He (Jesus) had kept them loyal to God while He was with them (with the exception of Judas so that scripture could be fulfilled).
In 17:21, Christ extends his prayer for the 11 remaining Apostles to be extended to all believers with the purpose that the world would know by their mutual love and unity that they are Christs disciples. [dont miss that - it is an explantion of the oneness Christ is praying for the 11 and for all believers for all times].
Verse 22 that speaks again of this oneness is defined more fully in verse 23 as unity and love for each other - just as the Father and Son love each other.
22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
blessings to you,
Ok PD "lite", let me ask you a couple of questions so that we understand clearly what your statements mean exactly.
When you state "...what we actually say...", just who, exactly, are you referring to when you say "we"? Who is this "we" you are speaking of? The church, an average mormon, missionaries, who? I just want to know where the goal posts are.
Also, is it your contention/assertion that folks here are not being truthful when they state affirmatively that they have read and studied LdS doctrine when you imply that folks are posting hearsay?
If so, please post examples that prove that point. I'd be really interested in seeing them.
If you cannot, I would suggest that you are implying folks are being untruthful, hence, liars.
Let me inform you up front, I am an apostate ex-mormon who lived the doctrine quite intensely for some years. I did so with pure intent and left of my own accord due to some very conflicting and disturbing revelations about the doctrine, teachings and theology.