Posted on 03/12/2011 11:25:57 AM PST by Amerisrael
ARAD, Israel - For the past seven years, the small Messianic Jewish community in the southern Israeli town of Arad has been harassed and persecuted by ultra-Orthodox Jews who accuse them of missionary activity.
The small desert town, with a population of 25,000 mostly secular residents, is home to a growing number of Israeli believers.
Yakim Figueras, pastor of one of the four congregations there, told CBN News that for years, religious Jews have subjected the believing community to sometimes daily cursing and harassment outside their homes.
"They come with either half-truths against us or complete lies…and they entice their own people and try to bring others against us," Figueras said.
On Wednesday, a demonstration organized by Yad L'achim, the aggressive anti-missionary organization, brought about 200 protesters to the home of Polly Sigulim. Their message was clear.
See also: http://roshpinaproject.com/2011/03/11/report-on-anti-messianic-jewish-demo-in-arad/
Yad L'Achim Advises Chinese on Cult Fighting http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130012
[how better to oppress followers of Yeshua/Jesus]
(Excerpt) Read more at cbn.com ...
“I’m talking about the books of Exodus and Leviticus. Read them and you find the building instructions and commands I speak of.”
Had you read it, you would know he was commanding a very specific group of people the assignment. You’re chastising modern Jews for not practicing rituals which are actually forbidden for them. They have no Kohen Godal.
By the way, you’re using the *exact* same logic Islamic extremists use to discount Jews as not valid, and breaking their covenant. Are you aware of that?
Yes I have darling, and I've read them in Greek, also. More than enough to understand that you can't respond to the points I raise so you resort to ad-hominem attack. People have always found the Gospel offensive and insulting. Certainly many of the Jews who listened to Christ did, that's why they tried to kill him virtually every time he preached. But he continued to preach the Good News, even with his last breath, and commanded his followers to do so also. There will always be a remnant of Jews predestined for salvation and they will respond to the Gospel. The Messianic Jewish community is a testament to that.
Greek? How would that help you understand the Torah in it’s native verse of Aramaic, or Hebrew?
Christ practiced Judaism during a time when Jews were under strife, and broke up into denominations of practice - that feuded. Christ wasn’t “preaching Christianity”. That didn’t come until his death. Learn history.
So calling you sweetheart is an ad-hominem attack but your posts have not been. Sorry don’t buy it. I don’t believe you have a working knowledge of Hebrew because you would not have this lack of understanding the Bible if you did.
I do not find the Gospels offensive. No one on this thread has said that. That was a silly thing to throw in.
Actually there has been response to every one of your “points”.
I have spent much time and energy over the years convincing fellow Jews that religious Christians are dear firm friends of the Jewish people and of Israel. Then someone like you comes along, and the old medieval mentality comes out again. You hurt the both the Christian and conservative causes.
It’s actually funny that people defending Jews for Jesus types would chastise Jews for not engaging in animal sacrifices like the Golden Calf.
If you’re really curious why Jews no longer sacrifice animals: http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
or these Torah portions:
Deut. 12:4-6
Deut 12:8-11
Deut 12:13-14
100% agree with you.
Christian Zionists are incredible support, so it’s sad when people like this validate the fears some Jews have about their motives.
I know, guys like this stick out like sore thumbs. People point to guys like this and say, “see I told you so”, when in reality this kind of attitude is not normative. Makes our job harder though.
It is natural that members of a group instinctively defend each other. And it is natural that American Christians would have little specific knowledge about social interactions in Israel, much less the actual motivations behind those interactions.
Christianity is not Judaism with a Messiah, it’s a completely different religion with a completely different understanding of God and indeed of creation. There’s no mystery why Christians and Jews talk completely past each other.
Sure, but there is something to the idea that there is a set of Judeo-Christian principles and beliefs in common.
What we’re talking about is a unique predicament pertaining to Messianic and Missionary Evangelism, respectively.
Giving preference to anyone who supposedly believes in Jesus as a prophet or saviour figure is dangerous and misguided. “Messianic Jews” are their own thing, with their own unique set of beliefs...Christians are shortsighted to give them a pass in denigrating the validity of Jews, under this mistaken idea that they are somehow brothers in christ. Messianic Jews often reject the Church, and reject many Christian doctrines.
The Jewish soul does not easily accept prohibited ‘strange worship’. Most Jews who claim to be Christian do not believe in the dogmas of classical Christianity, something even Christians understood until the past generation or two.
When someone says they are a Jewish Christian, I frankly disbelieve them without lengthy investigation. Perhaps they mistakenly believe they are Jewish, or perhaps they wish to assimilate and do not wish to be honest about their true beliefs. Sure, it happens that a Jew actually believes in classical Christianity, but it is much more rare than a non-Jew converting to Judaism.
Thank you for your reply, but that really was not my question...What I am asking is the Jews who believed in Jesus as the Promised Messiah of Israel before the Christ was introduced to the Gentile nations....
The Temple still considered all the Disciples of Jesus Jews so dod the Pharisees and every Jew in Israel remained a Jew when they believed Jesus was the risen Messiah...
My question is when did that stop?
When in time did the Rabbi’s say..We are now going to enact a law that says you are only a Jew if your mother is a Jew and if you deny Jesus is the risen Messiah of the world?
Jesus had the same problem, when he was on earth..The Pharisee’s thought he came with a *Strange Message* they looked at Jesus as a Jew who was just strange, because they were not looking for what he brought to Israel.....
They were looking for a *Warrior* from GOD who would free them from Roman Opression, they were not looking for a Messiah that brought love...They were still under the impression that the warrior in GOD could defeat Israel’s enemies, and free her from captivity....However Jesus said *Love* is going to free you, take that message to the Gentiles...That confused them...
Can you see that no other faith or belief system can impact the people of the earth like Jesus Christ...
People do not fear Muslims who try to convert them, although they fear the violence of conversion through Jihad but not Islam’s doctrines, no one fears Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Wiccan, Scientology, just Jesus Christ..
IMHO and I mean this resepctfully, if the Orthodox Jews were truly comfortable with what they believe, they would not fear Messianic Jews, or Christians at all...They would not fear there motives, they would not feel threatened in thier heart, soul and mind...But somehow *Jesus Christ* does affect them even if it is in the negative....
You will notice in Exodus Chapter 3 that Moses, the original Messiah, did not have this problem.
The difference between the Physical and the Divine...
People are trapped in the Physical and that is why the Divine is strange to them...
Well, certainly to MOST people!
Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
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12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.
Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD,[d] the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
Moses encountered the *Divine* as he was in the Physical.
If the majority of Israelites encountered what Moses did, they would of rejected *I AM WHO I AM* as it would of been strange....
Jesus said...The Kingdom of GOD has come to you, yet you fail to recognize it....
YAHWEH
“O Yahweh, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and infants, you have established strength because of your foes, to still the enemy and the avenger.” Psalm 8:1-2
JESUS
“But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David!’ they were indignant, and they said to him, ‘Do you hear what these are saying?’ And Jesus said to them, ‘Yes; have you never read, “Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise”?’” Matthew 21:15-16
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The story does continue in Exodus 4.
TaraP, Jesus was never recognized as a Messiah by Jews, that’s just revisionism.
Those Jews who essentially became apostates, and splintered off were never accepted within the Temple.
The answer to your question is both in the destruction of the Second Temple, and the formalization of Judaism under the oral tradition of The Talmud. With the creation of a diaspora, there was a need to form a consensus between Rabbinical thought. That said, the issue of the Messiahs arrival was never a grey area. There were many fake messiahs in Jewish history but they were easily exposed as shams.
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