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Ultra-Orthodox Jews Harass Israeli Believers
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Posted on 03/12/2011 11:25:57 AM PST by Amerisrael

ARAD, Israel - For the past seven years, the small Messianic Jewish community in the southern Israeli town of Arad has been harassed and persecuted by ultra-Orthodox Jews who accuse them of missionary activity.

The small desert town, with a population of 25,000 mostly secular residents, is home to a growing number of Israeli believers.

Yakim Figueras, pastor of one of the four congregations there, told CBN News that for years, religious Jews have subjected the believing community to sometimes daily cursing and harassment outside their homes.

"They come with either half-truths against us or complete lies…and they entice their own people and try to bring others against us," Figueras said.

On Wednesday, a demonstration organized by Yad L'achim, the aggressive anti-missionary organization, brought about 200 protesters to the home of Polly Sigulim. Their message was clear.

See also: http://roshpinaproject.com/2011/03/11/report-on-anti-messianic-jewish-demo-in-arad/

Yad L'Achim Advises Chinese on Cult Fighting http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130012

[how better to oppress followers of Yeshua/Jesus]

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TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: israel; jews; messianics; persecution
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1 posted on 03/12/2011 11:26:03 AM PST by Amerisrael
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To: Amerisrael

They should follow Jesus’s Example.

Turn the other cheek, words are words, ultimately in the Jewish tradition, they will have to declare peace otherwise they aren’t orthodox at all.


2 posted on 03/12/2011 11:31:21 AM PST by dila813
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To: Amerisrael
Yeah, a few years back a Purim package was left on the doorstep of Messianic family in Israel. It had a bomb in it. The family's son found it and was badly injured:

The suspect, a violent anti-missionary:

3 posted on 03/12/2011 11:37:12 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Amerisrael

“Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother...But just as then the child born according to the flesh persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so also now.”

—Galatians 3:25, 26, 29.


4 posted on 03/12/2011 11:39:08 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: dila813

Remember, G_d only gave us 4 cheeks.


5 posted on 03/12/2011 11:44:37 AM PST by PeteCat
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To: Amerisrael
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What is up with the hats?

6 posted on 03/12/2011 11:58:25 AM PST by dragonblustar (The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.)
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To: dragonblustar
The Shtreimel.

The story is that it was the headgear of Polish and Russian nobles in the 17th century.

In some Orthodox groups only the rebbe wears one.

7 posted on 03/12/2011 12:02:43 PM PST by x
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To: x

Thank you!


8 posted on 03/12/2011 12:08:46 PM PST by dragonblustar (The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen.)
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To: Amerisrael

Messianic faiths come in many forms, including some groups who are actually replacement theologists, and even some doomsday prophecy missionaries.

In other words, they go to Israel, defy Israel’s laws against missionary work, and prostyletize Orthodox Jews by telling them they’re going to hell if they don’t change their beliefs to worshipping Christianity.

Now consider these groups are populated and in some cases, antagonizing Israel’s Jews, in the very regions which are the most controversial to live in, and daily life is under the threat of those who want to exterminate you. So these missionary groups are fueling an already volatile situation, and what they often represent is not really Christian Zionism, but something else entirely.


9 posted on 03/12/2011 12:21:39 PM PST by harmonium
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To: harmonium

Jewish Objections to Jesus...

http://www.jewishvoice.org/site/PageServer?pagename=find_JewishObjections


10 posted on 03/12/2011 12:25:41 PM PST by tflabo
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To: harmonium; All

The Parable of the Tenants

Matthew 21v33 “Hear another parable. There was a master of a house who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and built a tower and leased it to tenants, and went into another country. 34 When the season for fruit drew near, he sent his servants [3] to the tenants to get his fruit. 35 And the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first. And they did the same to them. 37 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”


11 posted on 03/12/2011 12:53:10 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Obadiah 1
10 Because of the violence against your brother Jacob,
you will be covered with shame;
you will be destroyed forever.
11 On the day you stood aloof
while strangers carried off his wealth
and foreigners entered his gates
and cast lots for Jerusalem,
you were like one of them.
12 You should not gloat over your brother
in the day of his misfortune,
nor rejoice over the people of Judah
in the day of their destruction,
nor boast so much
in the day of their trouble.
13 You should not march through the gates of my people
in the day of their disaster,
nor gloat over them in their calamity
in the day of their disaster,
nor seize their wealth
in the day of their disaster.
14 You should not wait at the crossroads
to cut down their fugitives,
nor hand over their survivors
in the day of their trouble.

15 “The day of the LORD is near
for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head.
16 Just as you drank on my holy hill,
so all the nations will drink continually;
they will drink and drink
and be as if they had never been.
17 But on Mount Zion will be deliverance;
it will be holy,
and Jacob will possess his inheritance.
18 Jacob will be a fire
and Joseph a flame;
Esau will be stubble,
and they will set him on fire and destroy him.
There will be no survivors
from Esau.”
The LORD has spoken.


12 posted on 03/12/2011 1:10:36 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

A Kingdom That Cannot Be Shaken

Hebrews 12v18 For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19 and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20 For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21 Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27 This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, 29 for our God is a consuming fire.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 1:26:16 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Amerisrael

Hadn’t heard about the violent reaction! A huge problem with some messianic groups is that the try to pass themselves off as Jews in order to lure in not very knowledgeable Jews to view them as authentic. I certainly don’t care if they believe as they do, but it is the cloak of deception that is really vile.


14 posted on 03/12/2011 1:50:09 PM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

What’s the point of posting the biblical verse? To demonstrate the type of rhetoric a missionary might use that might be viewed as a provocation?


15 posted on 03/12/2011 1:59:43 PM PST by harmonium
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To: harmonium

What is your faith?


16 posted on 03/12/2011 2:02:11 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: tkas

“A huge problem with some messianic groups is that the try to pass themselves off as Jews”

Absolutely true. Part of it is to skirt Israel’s laws, but part of it is to misrepresent themselves as the real Jews who are enlightened, and avoid criticism of being connected to the stigma of a Jews for Jesus type group.


17 posted on 03/12/2011 2:02:33 PM PST by harmonium
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To: alpha-8-25-02

“What is your faith?”

Frankly, it’s none of your business what my faith is.

Intolerant dogma is just that. You might as well be ranting about the 12th Imam.


18 posted on 03/12/2011 2:08:08 PM PST by harmonium
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To: Buggman; UriĀ’el-2012

Of possible interest ping.


19 posted on 03/12/2011 2:12:49 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: harmonium

Christianity is intolerant dogma?

Jesus Christ is not God?


20 posted on 03/12/2011 2:18:42 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

alpha-8-25-02, this may shock you.... but jews do not believe jesus is god, no.

if there is anywhere jews should be safe to believe in their faith, it should be inside israel. so insisting they must believe in jesus is in fact dogmatic.

keep in mind, the crazed bad apples in the hasidic movement are the same people who throw rocks at other jews for violating the sabbath.


21 posted on 03/12/2011 2:26:14 PM PST by harmonium
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To: harmonium
Not shocked at all, a follower of Jesus Christ is saved by Grace. That Grace leads to Faith. Without the Grace of God their in no Faith in Jesus.

If witness is not accepted, the fields are ripe for harvest.

The Gospel is freely given and should only be freely received. If Jews don't want Christian witness, they should not be given witness.

22 posted on 03/12/2011 2:39:18 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Which is your classy way of saying Jews reap what they sow?... well who cares, this is a story of a different sort, void of grace, or witness.

We’re talking about Christians of varied denominations who pose as Jews in the Jewish homeland, and then antagonize Jews, pushing conversion over threats of doomsday hellfire.

We’re talking about Jews who have crossed the line in their quest to avoid false idolatry while observing a denomination of Judaism frozen in the 18th century.


23 posted on 03/12/2011 2:49:23 PM PST by harmonium
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To: alpha-8-25-02

p.s. the idea that jews lack either grace of god or faith is in astoundingly poor taste.


24 posted on 03/12/2011 2:56:44 PM PST by harmonium
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To: harmonium

No man including me or you is the judge. Furthermore threats of doomsday hellfire is not the Gospel of the Kingdom. God has no partiality for real estate.


25 posted on 03/12/2011 3:00:19 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: tkas

Those Christian missionaries have to lie in order to do their work. Some how I don’t think that is consistent with a Christian value set. If they were upfront and truthful, then it wouldn’t be such a big deal.


26 posted on 03/12/2011 3:06:18 PM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: Amerisrael

The title is misleading. And so is the name of “messianic Jews.” They are Christians. Some Jews are very upset by the way some of these Christian groups POSE as Jews and try to convert uneducated, unaffiliated born-Jews to Christianity. It’s sneaky.

Now, of course, I condemn violence and any group who condones violence. That’s atrocious and has no part in anything holy. It sure is not Judaism.


27 posted on 03/12/2011 3:07:39 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Jesus Christ is not G-d?

He is to Christians. He is not, to Jews. And that is perfectly OK with us. We believe that what is right for you, is right for you. We only wish that you would believe that what is right for us, is right for us.

28 posted on 03/12/2011 3:10:49 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
The title is misleading. And so is the name of “messianic Jews.” They are Christians.

They are of Jewish ethnicity, and accept Jesus as the Messiah. Why is it that one Jew can be an atheist and still be accepted as a Jew, but his brother who believes in Jesus as Messiah is not?

29 posted on 03/12/2011 3:16:50 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Alpha Numericals, You’re still applying *your* personal religious beliefs and talking about non-believers. Who does that remind you of?

Meanwhile, historically speaking Jesus was an Israelite, and Judaic in beliefs. You’re talking about an indigenous people, who have survived 6,000 years of oppression, and forced conversions and the like. Let’s not cheapen the Christian Zionism with ulterior motives that would challenge the preservation of a Jewish faith.


30 posted on 03/12/2011 3:19:56 PM PST by harmonium
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To: Yaelle

“We only wish that you would believe that what is right for us, is right for us.”

Peace!


31 posted on 03/12/2011 3:25:23 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: PapaBear3625

“They are of Jewish ethnicity, and accept Jesus as the Messiah”

No, Messiach Jews include anyone who claims to be a Jew, and claims to also believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

The Jewish ethnicity is neither here nor there, as the ethnicity doesn’t describe observance. What we have now are Jesus followers who are not of a Jewish lineage, describing themselves as being “Jews”. It’s a movement, like calling Passover “Resurrection Day”.

A basic tenet of Judaism is the belief that the Messiah has yet to arrive - it forbids a belief in Jesus as anything Messianich.


32 posted on 03/12/2011 3:27:20 PM PST by harmonium
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To: harmonium

I am not a “christian zionist” and I have no interest in real estate. If Jews want a country “unscathed” by Christians it is their land. My citizenship has nothing to do with earthly boundries.


33 posted on 03/12/2011 3:31:19 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

No idea what you’re talking about.

Israel protects freedom of religion in the Holy Land and openly welcomes Christians, and for that matter, Druze, Bedouins, Muslims, Buddhists, Mormons, and all the rest...they just protect their citizens from missionary work.

That is to say, organized missionary work meant to coerce people away from their current religion is banned. If you know anything about history, and the Jewish diaspora, it’s easy to understand why.


34 posted on 03/12/2011 3:36:23 PM PST by harmonium
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To: alpha-8-25-02

um...and uh... not to challenge your personal beliefs, because you’re welcome to them... but i’d like to point out that your talk about rejecting “earthly boundaries” sounds more new age than anything to do with christiniaty itself....the bible spends much time describing the land in question, and even talks of boundaries. this is true of all three abrahamic faiths, including the koran.


35 posted on 03/12/2011 3:40:03 PM PST by harmonium
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To: alpha-8-25-02

um...and uh... not to challenge your personal beliefs, because you’re welcome to them... but i’d like to point out that your talk about rejecting “earthly boundaries” sounds more new age than anything to do with christiniaty itself....the bible spends much time describing the land in question, and even talks of boundaries. this is true of all three abrahamic faiths, including the koran.


36 posted on 03/12/2011 3:40:17 PM PST by harmonium
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To: tkas

“...try to pass themselves off as Jews “

They are Jews.

A person doesn’t stop being a jew because they embrace Yeshua/Jesus as the Messiah, anymore than some stop being Jews because they believed that Bar Kochba or Hezakiah was the Messiah.


37 posted on 03/12/2011 3:49:40 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: PapaBear3625

“They are of Jewish ethnicity, and accept Jesus as the Messiah. Why is it that one Jew can be an atheist and still be accepted as a Jew, but his brother who believes in Jesus as Messiah is not?”

Ditto that!


38 posted on 03/12/2011 3:54:07 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: harmonium

John 18v36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

Bible lesson over for tonight.

Shalom aleichem’


39 posted on 03/12/2011 3:57:39 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: harmonium

They are Jews.

A person doesn’t stop being a jew because they embrace Yeshua/Jesus as the Messiah, anymore than some stop being Jews because they believed that Bar Kochba or Hezakiah was the Messiah.


40 posted on 03/12/2011 3:58:54 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: dila813
They should follow Jesus’s Example.

Absolutely. After 2,000 years, no one can claim that Christians haven't been patient.

41 posted on 03/12/2011 4:01:47 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: harmonium
The Jewish ethnicity is neither here nor there, as the ethnicity doesn’t describe observance. What we have now are Jesus followers who are not of a Jewish lineage, describing themselves as being “Jews”. It’s a movement, like calling Passover “Resurrection Day”.

The Messianic Jews I know are all of Jewish lineage.

My sister-in-law is a Messianic Jew. She was born to Conservative Jewish parents, and thus was as Jewish as you on the day she was born. She later became a Messianic. She observes Passover and the other Jewish holidays.

So you're telling me that she is not a Jew any more?

A basic tenet of Judaism is the belief that the Messiah has yet to arrive - it forbids a belief in Jesus as anything Messianich.

So you're saying that Hasidic Jews who decided that Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was the Messiah, by that decision lost their status as Jews?

42 posted on 03/12/2011 4:38:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Once you convert out, you are no longer a Jew. Christianity stopped being a Jewish sect as soon as they no longer needed to be a Jew in order to be a Christian. You don’t have to be a Jew in order to have a Passover seder and observe other Jewish rituals. However, once a Christian, this person is no longer a Jew, regardless of what the person’s status was at birth. She can call herself whatever she wants, but it doesn’t matter. According to Jewish law, she is not a Jew.


43 posted on 03/12/2011 5:14:47 PM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: PapaBear3625

As to your other question about Schneerson-believing Jews. They are absolutely outside the community. They differ slightly in that they would not incorporate non-Jews into their sect.


44 posted on 03/12/2011 5:16:43 PM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: tkas

Now what about someone born Jewish who does not believe in God? Are they also no longer considered Jews?


45 posted on 03/12/2011 6:12:16 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: dila813
Turn the other cheek, words are words

After 2000 years of doing that, we are DONE! Never again!

46 posted on 03/12/2011 6:33:56 PM PST by papabrody (Proud member of the International Jewish Conspiracy)
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To: tkas

“Once you convert out, you are no longer a Jew”

Messianic Jews haven’t “converted out” as you say, rather they have only embraced and are following the Jewish Messiah that the Hebrew Prophets prophesied of.


47 posted on 03/12/2011 7:16:22 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: harmonium

This is a modern thought...If you read of the Jews who were believers in Jesus Christ in Ancient Israel, I believe they were referred to followers of the way.....The Disciples of Jesus worshipped in the temple, by all accounts they remained Jews in all what they did....The Jews did not even know how to bring gentiles into the fold of the Christ..Messiah of Israel...

Not one Jew who knew Jesus and believed he was the Promised Messiah of Israel said they were no longer Jews, neither did anyone else in Israel...


48 posted on 03/12/2011 7:25:47 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Amerisrael

If Gentiles brought a Man to Israel and said this is the *Messiah* believe in him, and if they did, then I can see them no longer being *Jews*

It was the *Jews* that brought fourth another *Jew* to the Pagan Gentile Nations and said..

This is the *Lamb of GOD who takes away the Sins of the World*

and PRaise GOD that the Jews did! as we are grafted into the Family of the one true Living GOD!


49 posted on 03/12/2011 7:33:38 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: tkas

When did that Jewish Law of Conversion take root?

What year in history did a :Law come about that said : If you are born a Jew, but adhere to the belief that the Hebrew Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is the Promised Messiah of Israel, you are no longer a Jew?

Is that a Biblical Law or man made law?


50 posted on 03/12/2011 7:38:57 PM PST by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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