Posted on 03/28/2011 3:36:19 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
I repeat -- you need to actually read a bit before making incorrect statements or rather, repeating them
1. Claiming that hinduism will get chummy with Islam
2. posting links to Indian newspapers talking about preventing communal riots
3. utter lack of any knowledge of the significance of December 6th on the Indian communal landscapre
4. Utter lack of any knowledge on the current or past natures of Hindu-Moslem relationship
5. Utter lack of any knowledge of the beliefs of Hinduism or Islam besides what's in the MSM or some pastor's website -->have you ever read the Gita or Mahabharatha or even glanced at the Haditsh or Koran?
5. Utter lack of any knowledge at all on the irrevocable differences between a Polytheistic religion and a rigidly monotheistic one
and I could go on and on, but you get the point -- do read a little before repeating false statements
Whilst the very title of “Protestantism” depicts its genesis as a reactive movement, it is the case that strong protests against the Christian doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation form part of the Koran and so of Islamic faith. It is also noteworthy that Luther issued his own translation of the Koran in 1542, along with a confutation of its soteriology—the key point of Islamic and protestant divergence.....Protestantism was a move closer to the Islamic view of Scriptural authority. The traditional Christian view is that Christ founded the Church which wrote the Scriptures, ratified them and gains constant nourishment from them. Their definitive meaning derives from the same Church which produced them. Luther’s view that Scripture is the only guide to faith and practice is similar to the Islamic view of the Koran
Cronos... You’ve gone too far by continuing your rants...and missing the point...reconstructing what I’ve stated is not communicating. I thought better of you..that’s changed now....so we’re done here.
Revelation speaks of the AC system being allowed to “wear down the saints” either directly and or by limiting their voice and influence upon men . But it is part of God’s plan. I don’t think the Holy Spirit would necessarily abandon Christians ( not leaving them absolutely powerless to stand against the system so that they lose faith) while taking away the restraints upon the AC system since as scripture says...”Greater is HE that is in you than he that is in the World”.
Now, at some point in all this conflagration,Christ catches up Christians dead and alive. I think the timing of events remains vague due to God alone desiring to keep that knowledge close to his vest. I accept Thessalonians as I accept other passages from Matthew, Revelation, the OT concerning the “end times”. Doing a general survey of all these passages, suggests a more complex series of events and timings then what traditional eschatology has ever revealed. You have to include passages that sort of “stick out” and would color what the traditional evangelical eschatology has always touted. Yet don’t mistake that view for a general disagreement with that eschatology on my part. There will be a catching up....there will be a horrible tribulation “such as never occured or will since” as Christ said....and Christ himself will rule out of Jerusalem. Hallelujah!
So if present believing Christians are caught up before all the major stuff occurs...well bonus! If we have to go thru a refining thru general persecution, well then Praise God who “ is able to make us stand...and above all to stand!”
As I keep repeating — your facts are wrong, utterly. Secondly the conclusions you have drawn from these wrong facts are, of course, wrong.
And note, I stick to the truth and to facts. I would urge you to read a bit instead of the conspiracy theories. Catholicism is Christianity and Catholicism will not be “chummy” with Islam, not when we’ve been fighting it for 1400 years and even now Catholics are on the forefronts of the war with islam in Iraq (who do you think the Chaldean Catholics are?) and Lebanon (Maronite Catholics) —> which members of your group are in this war? I would wager none.
Also, your note about Hinduism as I’ve pointed out shows your utter lack of knowledge on Hinduism doctrines, on it’s past, on the present state of indian communal tensions or politics and on the regular feelings of Indians. This is tied in to the lack of knowledge in your posts on Catholicism — I strongly urge you to read, to travel to experience before commenting on things which you do not have any idea about.
Hillary was methodist.
Hitler hailed from a Catholic background(thought of becoming a priest), many mobsters loved their Virgin Mary!
My point is bad people often use religious fig leaves to cover themselves....no matter what faith!
We all have our loons and I would never parade Bill or Carter as "examples" of the Southern Baptists, far less as proof of the SBC's teachings.
Good point, as I indicated above, every group has it's own.,
Well, there are too many Scriptures which promise that Christ takes His Church-age Bride off the scene before He sends judgment, and none that indicate that Church-age believers will go through the seven-year Tribulation. We don't know the day or the hour that Christ will return for His Church, but we will know the season and we will know when, as God puts it, it is "at the door".
Doing a general survey of all these passages, suggests a more complex series of events and timings then what traditional eschatology has ever revealed. You have to include passages that sort of “stick out” and would color what the traditional evangelical eschatology has always touted.
Do you have some examples?
If we have to go thru a refining thru general persecution, well then Praise God who “ is able to make us stand...and above all to stand!”
Our sin debt has already been paid by Christ, our "refining" has been done throughout our lives through sanctification, and there is absolutely nothing in Scripture that tells Church-age Christians to prepare to go through the Tribulation, or how to survive that time, or how to escape the Antichrist - nothing. We are reassured on multiple occasions throughout the Bible that we are not destined for God's wrath but will be taken out of the time of judgment that Jesus sends on the world.
There is no one on earth, aside from God Himself, who has the power to restrain Satan and evil. The Antichrist can't make his appearance until the Holy Spirit removes the Church in which He dwells, and His ministry of restraining evil, from the earth.
Matthew speaks of a gathering of believers in such a fashion that the general world sees it and “mourns”. They also note the “sign of the coming of the Son of Man” being placed in the skies. Christ spoke as coming at a time “such as was the days of Noah, for folks were buying and selling, marrying and divorcing, eating and drinking” which would denote an era of relative prosperity and a false peace, though reading about the days of Noah one is also confronted with a world filled with exceptional sin and violence as well as inteference from the Nephilim(Quix can give some good info here).
Thessalonians speaks a removal of a “restrainer” but Revelation speaks of multitudes being martyred for their faith and for refusing to take the mark of the beast “or to worship his image”, which means either a bunch of folks are saved after the rapture, or the rapture doesn’t occur when we all thought it might. I can tell you a lot of preachers don’t go for the “folks being saved after the rapture business”...yet there you are...folks being killed by the Beast,False prophet, Beast Image, worship system after the church was supposedly raptured up before the antichrist takes power scenario.
Reading the whole passage of 2Thessalonians 2 then examining verse 13 thru the end in relation to the first 12 verses suggests that believers hold fast and ‘stand firm’ in the faith in relation to the first 12 verses(reading contextually and not lifting anything out). The previous passages speak of “one who is restraining” who is taken out of the way, then the lawless one is revealed then Christ comes and destroys him.
Right. When Jesus physically, literally returns to earth after the seven-year Tribulation, He brings the believers with Him who had been raptured seven years before. The world mourns because they know that everything is over, and the One who they despised and blasphemed has arrived to reclaim His creation and the ending to that fact is not good for them at all.
Those left on earth after the rapture will mourn Christ's return to earth.
Christ spoke as coming at a time “such as was the days of Noah, for folks were buying and selling, marrying and divorcing, eating and drinking” which would denote an era of relative prosperity and a false peace, though reading about the days of Noah one is also confronted with a world filled with exceptional sin and violence as well as inteference from the Nephilim(Quix can give some good info here).
The days of Noah" also refer to the fact that people will be living as if nothing is changing in the world and they will ignore and ridicule the warnings that there is a judgment coming. I have also read that the Babylonian Talmud records that there were homosexual marriages occurring in the time of Noah.
Our generation is exactly like that of Noah's.
Thessalonians speaks a removal of a “restrainer” but Revelation speaks of multitudes being martyred for their faith and for refusing to take the mark of the beast “or to worship his image”, which means either a bunch of folks are saved after the rapture, or the rapture doesn’t occur when we all thought it might. I can tell you a lot of preachers don’t go for the “folks being saved after the rapture business”...yet there you are...folks being killed by the Beast,False prophet, Beast Image, worship system after the church was supposedly raptured up before the antichrist takes power scenario.
That's right - many "preachers" don't go for the "folks being saved after the rapture business" because they don't know Scripture and certainly don't preach it. The Bible clearly states that there will be 144,000 Jews who know Christ as Savior who go throughout the world and preach the Gospel during the Tribulation, and the Bible clearly states that there will be multitudes saved after the Rapture and many of those will be beheaded by the Antichrist.
Many "preachers" substitute their own opinions for Scripture and attempt to equate the two. This is why so many people who sit in church pulpits every Sunday are so abysmally ignorant about the 25% of Scripture that is prophetic. The fact that there are "preachers" who don't preach the Bible is simply more evidence of the end-time apostasy of the Church and just goes to show, once again, that the word of God is inerrant and absolute truth.
As for me, I will stick with the promises Jesus Christ made to get His Bride off the scene before He judges the world for seven years. And until someone can provide the Scripture that contradicts that, I'm going to go with what God said about it.
Reading the whole passage of 2Thessalonians 2 then examining verse 13 thru the end in relation to the first 12 verses suggests that believers hold fast and ‘stand firm’ in the faith in relation to the first 12 verses(reading contextually and not lifting anything out). The previous passages speak of “one who is restraining” who is taken out of the way, then the lawless one is revealed then Christ comes and destroys him.
The passages in verses 13-17 are not some sort of indication that Church-age believers will be on earth during the Tribulation.
If we go back to verses 1-2, Paul is speaking to believers who had been alarmed by some letter they had received, supposedly from Paul, which told them that they were already in the Tribulation. In verses 3-12, Paul explains that the Antichrist cannot come until the Holy Spirit, via the Church, is taken out of the way. He then gives a brief description of the Antichrist.
Verses 13-17 are simply Paul's admonition to the Thessalonians to stand firm in their faith and "hold to" what they had been taught. It is not some instruction to hang on while they go through the Tribulation.
The Bible does not contradict itself. God tells the Church:
Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. (Romans 5:9)
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. (I Thess 1:10)
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ (I Thess 5:9)
The Church is promised that we will not go through the Tribulation. And nowhere in the Scripture are those promises contradicted.
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