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Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered [LDS lesson in children's class ages 8-11]
LDS.org Primary ^ | 1977

Posted on 04/03/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Primary 5: Doctrine and Covenants: Church History  

“Lesson 21: Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered,” Primary 5: Doctrine and Covenants: Church History, (1997),110

Purpose

To help each child desire to develop a forgiving attitude.

Preparation

  • 1. Prayerfully study Doctrine and Covenants 64:8–11, 15–16 and the historical account given in this lesson. Then study the lesson and decide how you want to teach the children the historical account. (See “Preparing Your Lessons,” pp. vi–vii, and “Teaching the Scriptural and Historical Accounts,” pp. vii–ix.)

  • 2. Select the discussion questions and enrichment activities that will involve the children and best help them achieve the purpose of the lesson.

  • 3. Materials needed:

    • a. A Doctrine and Covenants for each child.

    • b. A pencil and two pieces of paper for each child.

    • c. Picture 5-1, The Prophet Joseph Smith (Gospel Art Picture Kit 401; 62002), or 5-2, Joseph Smith (Gospel Art Picture Kit 400; 62449); picture 5-23, Man Being Tarred and Feathered.

Suggested Lesson Development

Invite a child to give the opening prayer.

Attention Activity

Give each child two pieces of paper and a pencil. On the first piece of paper, have each child write several blessings he or she has received. On the second piece of paper, have each child write something unkind that someone has done to him or her.

Have the children place the papers on which they have written their blessings on their laps and hold the papers that describe the unkind acts right in front of their eyes, touching their noses.

  • • Can you see the paper on which you listed your blessings?

Explain that sometimes when someone hurts our feelings, we think about our hurt feelings so much that we can no longer see or enjoy our blessings. Ask the children to crumple up the papers listing the unkind acts. Collect these papers or have the children put them in the wastebasket. Explain that we can feel happier when we forgive and forget about the unkind things others do and concentrate on our blessings.

Explain that Joseph Smith suffered persecution from many people. Ministers of other religions, strangers, and even some of his friends were unkind to him. He had to decide whether to let this unfair treatment make him angry and unhappy or to be forgiving to these people.

Historical Account

Teach the children about Joseph Smith’s reaction to those who persecuted him, as illustrated by the following historical account. Display the pictures at appropriate times.

Soon after the Church was organized, some of the members began to apostatize, or leave the Church. They quit attending Church meetings, opposed the Prophet, and persecuted the Saints. People apostatized for various reasons. For example, one man left the Church because his horse died while he was traveling to join the Saints in Missouri. Another man apostatized after he saw Joseph Smith playing with children. He thought a prophet should be too serious to play with children. One man saw that his name was misspelled on a Church document and thought that meant Joseph Smith was not inspired by God. Other people left the Church because they did not receive the help they expected with their financial problems. Some members left the Church because they could not forgive other members for actions that had offended them. After leaving the Church, these offended people often became the Church’s worst enemies.

Ezra Booth joined the Church in 1831 after seeing the Prophet heal Elsa Johnson’s arm (see lesson 19). Several months later he was called on a mission to Missouri. He was angry because he had to walk the entire journey and because missionary life was not what he had expected. He was disappointed because he did not see any more miracles like the healing of Elsa Johnson. He began to think and say bad things about the leaders of the Church. Because of his improper behavior during his mission, Ezra Booth was excommunicated when he returned to Ohio. This meant that he was no longer a member of the Church. Instead of repenting, Booth began writing letters to a local newspaper, telling lies about Joseph Smith and the Church. These letters influenced many people in Ohio to become suspicious of Church members and to persecute them.

One winter night a group of men who believed Ezra Booth’s letters got drunk and attacked the homes of Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon in Hiram, Ohio. Joseph had been up late caring for his adopted son, who had the measles, and had just fallen asleep when the angry mob broke into the house. The men dragged Joseph outside, swearing and threatening to kill him. They choked him, tore off his clothes, and tried to push a paddle of hot tar and a bottle of acid into his mouth. The bottle of acid broke, chipping one of Joseph’s teeth and causing him to speak with a whistle for the rest of his life. The men in the mob also dragged Sidney Rigdon from his home. When Joseph saw Sidney lying on the ground, he thought Sidney was dead. The mob decided not to kill Joseph, but they scratched him severely, spread hot tar all over his body, and covered him with feathers.

When Joseph finally got home, Emma saw him and fainted, because she thought the tar covering Joseph was blood. Joseph’s friends helped him clean off the tar, a long and painful process. Sidney Rigdon had been knocked unconscious from the severe cuts and bruises to his head, and he was delirious for several days. Following this terrible experience, the baby that Joseph had been caring for that night caught a severe cold and died.

The next day was Sunday, and Joseph went at the usual time to worship with the Saints. The group of people he preached to included some members of the mob who had covered him with tar and feathers the night before. Even with his skin scraped and sore, Joseph preached as usual and never mentioned the violence of the night before.

Discussion and Application Questions

Study the following questions and the scripture references as you prepare your lesson. Use the questions you feel will best help the children understand the scriptures and apply the principles in their lives. Reading and discussing the scriptures with the children in class will help them gain personal insights.

  • • Why did some of the early Church members apostatize from the Church? How could a forgiving attitude have helped them? What does the Lord say we should do when others offend us? (D&C 64:8–11.)

  • • What did the Lord say Ezra Booth had done wrong? (D&C 64:15–16.) What do we lose if we desire what is wrong? (D&C 64:16.)

  • • What unkind things did the mob do to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon? Why do you think they did these things?

  • • What did Joseph Smith do the morning after he was tarred and feathered? Who was in the congregation? How did Joseph Smith’s actions show that he was a forgiving person? (Joseph Smith did not seek revenge on those who had been cruel to him. He knew that Satan influenced them to oppose the important work of teaching the restored gospel and establishing Jesus’ church on the earth.)

  • • What did Joseph Smith do when he was faced with trials and persecution? (He continued to do the Lord’s work. He understood that Satan would do all he could to destroy the work of the Lord. When bad things happened, Joseph Smith made the best of the situation and continued serving the Lord.)

  • • How do you feel when someone is unkind to you? How do feelings of anger affect us? Help the children understand that being angry or unkind does not help us feel better. If we remain angry or act unkindly in return, we cause ourselves even more unhappiness. What could you do when someone is unkind to you? (See enrichment activities 1 and 3.) What might happen if you are unkind to the person who was unkind to you? What might happen if you are kind to that person?

  • • How can we follow Joseph Smith’s example and develop a forgiving attitude toward those who have hurt or offended us?

  • • How does having a bitter and unforgiving attitude affect us? How does having a forgiving attitude affect us?

  • • Whom are we required to forgive? (D&C 64:10–11.) Why is it important for us to forgive others? (D&C 64:9.) How do we feel when we forgive someone who has hurt our feelings?

Enrichment Activities

You may use one or more of the following activities any time during the lesson or as a review, summary, or challenge.

  • 1. Read statements such as the following ones to the children. Ask them to put their thumbs up if the statement reflects a forgiving attitude and put their thumbs down if it reflects an unforgiving attitude. Discuss how each action described shows forgiveness or a lack of forgiveness.

    • • She hasn’t been friendly to me so I’m not going to be friendly to her.

    • • Every time I see him, he pushes me around. He must have a problem or he wouldn’t treat others so unkindly.

    • • I hit him because he made fun of my little sister.

    • • My little brother scribbled on my schoolwork, so I had to do it over again. I wasn’t angry with him because he is too young to understand how important that paper was.

    • • I’ll forgive her, but I’ll never speak to her again.

    • • My best friend was rude to me today. Maybe she is worried about something.

  • 2. Read or have a child read aloud Proverbs 15:1, and discuss its meaning with the children. Then tell the following story in your own words:

    • In the summer of 1838, when Joseph Smith and his family were living in Far West, Missouri, a false story was spread that Joseph had killed seven men and was going to organize a group to kill everyone who was not a member of the Church. A large group of armed men led by eight officers came looking for Joseph at the house of his parents, where he was visiting. The officers told Lucy Smith, Joseph’s mother, that they had come to kill Joseph Smith and all the other members of the Church. Lucy responded calmly and introduced Joseph to the men. Joseph shook hands with the men in a friendly manner while they stared in disbelief. After all the stories they had heard, it was hard for them to believe this kind and sincere man was Joseph Smith.

    • The Prophet talked with the men for a long time, explaining the views of the Church and the persecution the members had received. He told the men that if any of the members of the Church had broken the law, they ought to be tried by the law in a courtroom, before anyone else was hurt. Then Joseph prepared to leave, explaining to his mother that he needed to get home as Emma was expecting him. Two of the officers jumped to their feet and insisted that they accompany him home, as it was not safe for him to travel alone. The armed men no longer had a desire to harm Joseph, and they returned to their homes with a great respect for him. (See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1958], pp. 254–56.)

    • • How did Lucy and Joseph Smith follow Proverbs 15:1 in dealing with these men?

    • • What was the result of Joseph’s “soft answer”?

  • 3. Have the children act out situations in which they can choose to have a forgiving attitude or an unforgiving one. Help them understand that even when they have been hurt, they are free to choose what their attitude will be. Also help them understand that hurt feelings often come because of a misunderstanding rather than an intent to hurt. Use the following situations or those used in enrichment activity 1:

    • • You cleaned your room before you went to school, but after you left, your younger sister messed it up. When you get home from school, your mother will not let you play with your friends because your room is not clean.

    • • You are always chosen last for sports teams at school, which makes you feel hurt. On the way home from school one day you see one of the team captains fall off his bike. His school books and papers scatter all over.

    • • Your friend has a party but does not invite you.

  • 4. Share and allow the children to share appropriate personal experiences in forgiving others or being forgiven.

  • 5. Sing or say the words to “Help Me, Dear Father” (Children’s Songbook, p. 99) with the children.

Conclusion

Testimony

Share your testimony about the peace we can feel when we have a forgiving attitude. Encourage the children to strive to be understanding and kind even when others are unkind to them.

Suggested Home Reading

Suggest that the children study Doctrine and Covenants 64:9–11 at home as a review of this lesson.

Suggested Family Sharing

Encourage the children to share with their families a specific part of the lesson, such as a story, question, or activity, or to read with their families the “Suggested Home Reading.”

Invite a child to give the closing prayer.



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To: restornu
Artices of Faith

11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

What does the More Good Foundation do?

The More Good Foundation publishes over 300 websites where persons of other faiths can learn about the Church and where individual Mormons can share their beliefs. We also provide training and support for Mormons interested in sharing their beliefs online.

 

So, why are you whining? 300 websites PLUS and you aren't satisfied?

201 posted on 04/03/2011 1:43:43 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: restornu

I am going to back and reread them. Good advice.


202 posted on 04/03/2011 1:44:00 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome
He’s a former LDS if I recall?

One of those that resty keeps ranting about, I believe!

203 posted on 04/03/2011 1:45:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Ditter

Thank you very much!! The honey and nitro treatments appear to be working. Was even able to sleep a few hours this morning with my foot up on the bed. With no pain! First time in a couple years!

Praise the Lord and pass the Nitro!!


204 posted on 04/03/2011 1:45:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
Nazi hunting again PD?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2698309/posts?page=99#99

Sorry, you are a little late this time. Godwin's has already been invoked and the invoker Zotted.

LDS lose again...

So be careful, we need you intact to carry on your good work for us.

205 posted on 04/03/2011 1:45:56 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: humblegunner
ROTFLMAO!!!!
 
I gotta meet you one day and buy you drinks.
 
You crack me up and I forget you even look at these threads.
 
LOL

206 posted on 04/03/2011 1:47:07 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

Well, the leaders or rather Prophets, since the beginning of LDS have called Christians by that epithet.

I won’t repost it as I’m sure you’ve seen it a million times but if the Prophets state as much and starkly, why wouldn’t we interpret that to be part of church doctrine as they speak what God says they should?

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Ya and much is said here in the heat of the moment which has nothing to do with doctrine Jesus Christ!

What an individual thinks and says is not the doctrine and like all need to be reminded to put away the natural man if they choose to walk with the Lord.

Also for those who can grasp in the sheme of things some take longer to grow in the ways of the Lord than others it all depends on the baggage one came in with and how will they are to let go and let God teach!

I am refering to Parley Pratt he has one bump ride before he got it work out.

The Holy Ghost can only teach us what we allow but self always seems to want to get in the way.

Myself I am still learning edify it is line upon line and precept upon precept here a little there a little.

When those things do happen it is sweet!

There is a lot of bogus crap in tradition and discernment is not always easy if one dose not use the Lord benchmark the scriptures.


207 posted on 04/03/2011 1:47:36 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

I confuse no one with the Lord. Suggest you follow suit.


208 posted on 04/03/2011 1:47:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: ejonesie22
Fred (fproxxy222 or whatever) has been a little spicy on the West SPAM sites...

Not Fred, I don't believe..this guy was able to articulate a little better.

I'm thinking possibly a dual ID..or triple..or quadruple...who knows how many.

209 posted on 04/03/2011 1:48:02 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Jim Robinson; Tread EZ
 
Hope you don't mind.  That was to funny
 
 

210 posted on 04/03/2011 1:49:37 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome
Well that's a new one on me, but then, by some people's standards, I'm still a Newbie.

♫Newbie, Doobie Dooo♫

211 posted on 04/03/2011 1:50:11 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: restornu
Resty, your “prophets” are not mere men.

Unless you are admitting they are not “prophets”...

212 posted on 04/03/2011 1:51:05 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Hey, Bud, long time no see. Hope all is well.


213 posted on 04/03/2011 1:51:49 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Paragon Defender
"As long as people want the mormon church to be true more than they are willing to face the possibility that it is not, they will not entertain evidence or reason. Delusion becomes a choice." John Whitfield

Mormonism's view of Christianity


214 posted on 04/03/2011 1:51:49 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Jim Robinson
My husband had a 2” deep 3”long 1” wide wound on his leg. He used a machine called a wound vacuum to speed up the healing. Don't know if this has been suggested for you or not but it really worked for him.
215 posted on 04/03/2011 1:52:42 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Tread EZ; Jim Robinson; darkwing104; Old Sarge; 50mm; Viking2002; rabscuttle385

216 posted on 04/03/2011 1:52:56 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Who knows, expecting honesty from a actual LDS apologist/handler type is like expecting wine from sewer water...

Or logic from the blind followers the apologist handle...

217 posted on 04/03/2011 1:53:32 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

???

Sorry, maybe I’m laughing too hard and can’t comprehend much right now. I thank God Tread EZ showed up today.

Best Sunday I’ve had in years. The Boss and Humblegunner were priceless.


218 posted on 04/03/2011 1:54:12 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: MarkBsnr

So the three kingdoms comes from that?
I’m gonna have to read it again and think about it in their context.

Hmmmm....


219 posted on 04/03/2011 1:55:17 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Jim Robinson
I agree in Praise the Lord.

I have a son who suffers greatly from neuropathy in his feet and so far the VA can find no relief for him...I wonder if the nitro might be an answer.

220 posted on 04/03/2011 1:55:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks. I had been wondering what they had to say.

Gotta run.


221 posted on 04/03/2011 1:56:05 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: bcsco
And that was the foundation of my inquiry; what is the concordance between the Bible, D&C, PoGP on ‘3 degrees of glory’?

I've posted a number of time before on the actions of Joseph Smith at certain times of the year, the proximity to manure piles, and their relationship to his visions as he and Sidney Ridgon have related them in writing. There are several treatises that in my opinion have much merit and scientifically explain much of how the LDS theology came to be in the first place and how it evolved. That methodology is open to everybody (assuming that the drug laws in the United States or your particular locale do not apply to you):

Magic mushrooms. Loaded with psilocybin, which causes hallucinations. Call it LSD for the LDS. A suitable subject for a doctoral degree in both theology and in psychiatry. No, I am not kidding.

222 posted on 04/03/2011 1:56:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: darkwing104

I want on! I want on! I want on! I want on!


223 posted on 04/03/2011 1:56:41 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: restornu

Yep.


224 posted on 04/03/2011 1:57:26 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Ditter

I’ve heard of a wound vac but they haven’t tried that yet. They’re now trying a compression dressing and they included a couple of special water absorption pads. They’re supposed to hold up to a cup of water each. Hoping it works.


225 posted on 04/03/2011 1:57:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

If you look at my inquiries into '3 degrees of glory' and how that doctrine conformed to Biblical fact, you'll see I did just that. However, the one LDS representative on this thread failed to reply to those inquiries, and, in fact, gave me a snub. I had to settle for non-Mormon explanations.

So, how does that comport with your 'promise' of enlightenment? Doesn't Mormon one-on-one teaching of a 'Gentile' have any value?

226 posted on 04/03/2011 1:58:42 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco
Going great, how is it with you?

Welcome to the fun world of Mormonism and it's attempts to usurp Christianity.

Little thing I was introduced in 08 to thanks to all the idiocy of the Romney sycophants

227 posted on 04/03/2011 1:58:53 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Vendome

LOL


228 posted on 04/03/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: Jim Robinson

So glad to hear you have some healing. Praise the Lord is right! God bless.


229 posted on 04/03/2011 2:00:52 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Jim Robinson
Praise the Lord and pass the Nitro!!

Yup, thet there retread; he blowed up real good...

230 posted on 04/03/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: greyfoxx39

I don’t know. I understand this is an experimental treatment, but it appears to be working for me and two of the prior three patients they tried it on. And it’s much better than their alternative solution, amputation! Hopefully, if it proves to be successful they will try it on other vets suffering from lack of blood flow in the legs.

Prayers up for your son. Maybe he should ask about it at the VA. Have them contact the wound care specialist at the Fresno VA hospital for details.


231 posted on 04/03/2011 2:04:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hopefully, if it proves to be successful they will try it on other vets suffering from lack of blood flow in the legs.

Prayers up for your son. Maybe he should ask about it at the VA. Have them contact the wound care specialist at the Fresno VA hospital for details.

Thanks for the prayers and the tip. I will pass it on to him..he's in the Albuquerque area.

232 posted on 04/03/2011 2:06:11 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: bcsco; greyfoxx39

In fact, I’m saddened to see the information has to come from non-Mormons instead of one who professes their faith and was specifically asked for clarification. Not only was there no clarification, but a snub.

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You were not snubed I am only one being and it was witness in many of your post your mind was made up! I been around that block too many times with posters just baiting and wasting my time!

Did you check to see where that source came from an is it accurate?

did it was come another anti LDS who and so on and so on...

BTW greyforx is an x Mormon.

I take nothing on here say even my conversion I still did my homework and used the only scriptures I had at the time the Lord’s Bible and I also received the witness of the Holy Ghost and the Book of Mormon it is the same Spirit.

Reason is only one element to faith not the end all and if one will not take the time to learn the langauge of the Holy Spirit they will always be limited to their awareness.


233 posted on 04/03/2011 2:09:30 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Are you sure that versus is translated correctly. After all we know that Joseph Smith stole from his followers, committed adultery, pedophilia, tried to over throw the US Constitution, and more.........
not very Christian behavior on his part. Wait, maybe he just felt he was above civilized behavior, yep that must be it, after all his deeds are excused by his followers so that does make sense.
234 posted on 04/03/2011 2:11:59 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Paragon Defender
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

whine Pictures, Images and Photos

235 posted on 04/03/2011 2:12:06 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: restornu; All
Resty, Paragon Defender is now gone. Done in by calling us Nazis.

The mantle of most inane LDS poster has been passed back to you...

I for one shall miss him, kinda, but know you will not let us down.

236 posted on 04/03/2011 2:12:28 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39
PD is gone.

Out of respect for his good work here for OUR side a moment of silen...

Ok long enough...

237 posted on 04/03/2011 2:13:40 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Ditter

Did you ever hear of the TENS used in pain control and healing?


238 posted on 04/03/2011 2:16:06 PM PDT by restornu
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To: bcsco

LOL

I was really tired earlier(just getting over Agent Orange, Malaria or the worst flu I ever had) and now I feel all perky.

Tread EZ. OMG, LOL


239 posted on 04/03/2011 2:16:07 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Paragon Defender
ZOT!


240 posted on 04/03/2011 2:16:19 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: restornu
BTW greyforx is an x Mormon.

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241 posted on 04/03/2011 2:16:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: MarkBsnr

Having spent 4 years in SLC I’m quite familiar with much of the literature, evidence (and beyond...). Do you recall the 1985 bombing in Salt Lake involving Mark Hoffmann? We arrived in June, 1986. As it turned out, his dad was the Pitney Bowes sales rep who sold us our office postal equipment.

The bombing was still a big discussion issue, and to find that his dad was an acquaintance, was quite unique an experience.

That, along with other experiences I’ve noted above, made me curious and so I read a lot. Also, former Mormons who were members of our congregation, as well as others, provided a wealth of familiarity. So, I’m not a neophyte.

Yet, I’m not one to diss someone else’s religion. I’ll leave that up to God. I have my own beliefs and don’t enjoy others dissing them. It’s always a ‘holier than thou’ experience. Yet I do enjoy a curious nature, and expect someone with strongly held beliefs to willingly talk about them. (BREAK: Phil Mickelson is really on a roll, though I’d like to see Scott Verplank, what with his life-long health issues, win this one.)


242 posted on 04/03/2011 2:17:35 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: restornu

No I haven’t, what is it?


243 posted on 04/03/2011 2:19:03 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
I wonder who PD will come back as?

I feel some satisfaction he went down in response to me...

Yet I think he was the best Anti Mormon we had too...

He brought many new folks into our fold with his insults and attacks when they only had simple questions.

Mixed emotions I have...

244 posted on 04/03/2011 2:19:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The wound vac draws moisture out of the wound constantly 24 hours a day to speed healing. Pretty amazing.


245 posted on 04/03/2011 2:21:38 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

That’s interesting. I use those types of bandages for a deep wound. As fluid presses against the bandage, the bandage pushes back.

Darn things are expensive but came in handy two years ago.


246 posted on 04/03/2011 2:21:52 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ejonesie22

Yeah, indeed.


247 posted on 04/03/2011 2:22:22 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: ejonesie22; Jim Robinson; All
Let no one forget, Calling other FReepers "nazis" and "jihadists" will catch up with you sooner or later.

The Boss doesn't like it in his house!

248 posted on 04/03/2011 2:23:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: ejonesie22
We go back far before that, if you read my posts you'll get a brief history.

We're doing fine. I have a VA visit in Madison, WI tomorrow. They think I may have a kidney issue based on one single lab test. We'll see. Other than that, waiting for it to warm up to where I can hit some balls. Made 5 new irons (5i>PW) over the winter and can't wait to play them. Also, I'm spearheading my Kiwanis club's 1st annual golf outing in July. Here's the website I set up. Things are on track so far, and we already have a couple sponsors. Working on more as I write.

Tough winter, not getting to spring fast enough, but we're hanging in...

249 posted on 04/03/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Jim Robinson

I have those in my Med Kit. Very expensive but excellent at wound management.

I used one on my leg two years ago. I accidentally stabbed myself about an 1-1.5” deep.

No problemo. Rinsey, Rinsey, Rinse. Hydrogene Peroxide, Betadine(Ouch!) and a Bandage. After a while you can feel it pressing back against the wound and Voila!


250 posted on 04/03/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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