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Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered [LDS lesson in children's class ages 8-11]
LDS.org Primary ^ | 1977

Posted on 04/03/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Primary 5: Doctrine and Covenants: Church History  

“Lesson 21: Joseph Smith Is Tarred and Feathered,” Primary 5: Doctrine and Covenants: Church History, (1997),110

Purpose

To help each child desire to develop a forgiving attitude.

Preparation

  • 1. Prayerfully study Doctrine and Covenants 64:8–11, 15–16 and the historical account given in this lesson. Then study the lesson and decide how you want to teach the children the historical account. (See “Preparing Your Lessons,” pp. vi–vii, and “Teaching the Scriptural and Historical Accounts,” pp. vii–ix.)

  • 2. Select the discussion questions and enrichment activities that will involve the children and best help them achieve the purpose of the lesson.

  • 3. Materials needed:

    • a. A Doctrine and Covenants for each child.

    • b. A pencil and two pieces of paper for each child.

    • c. Picture 5-1, The Prophet Joseph Smith (Gospel Art Picture Kit 401; 62002), or 5-2, Joseph Smith (Gospel Art Picture Kit 400; 62449); picture 5-23, Man Being Tarred and Feathered.

Suggested Lesson Development

Invite a child to give the opening prayer.

Attention Activity

Give each child two pieces of paper and a pencil. On the first piece of paper, have each child write several blessings he or she has received. On the second piece of paper, have each child write something unkind that someone has done to him or her.

Have the children place the papers on which they have written their blessings on their laps and hold the papers that describe the unkind acts right in front of their eyes, touching their noses.

  • • Can you see the paper on which you listed your blessings?

Explain that sometimes when someone hurts our feelings, we think about our hurt feelings so much that we can no longer see or enjoy our blessings. Ask the children to crumple up the papers listing the unkind acts. Collect these papers or have the children put them in the wastebasket. Explain that we can feel happier when we forgive and forget about the unkind things others do and concentrate on our blessings.

Explain that Joseph Smith suffered persecution from many people. Ministers of other religions, strangers, and even some of his friends were unkind to him. He had to decide whether to let this unfair treatment make him angry and unhappy or to be forgiving to these people.

Historical Account

Teach the children about Joseph Smith’s reaction to those who persecuted him, as illustrated by the following historical account. Display the pictures at appropriate times.

Soon after the Church was organized, some of the members began to apostatize, or leave the Church. They quit attending Church meetings, opposed the Prophet, and persecuted the Saints. People apostatized for various reasons. For example, one man left the Church because his horse died while he was traveling to join the Saints in Missouri. Another man apostatized after he saw Joseph Smith playing with children. He thought a prophet should be too serious to play with children. One man saw that his name was misspelled on a Church document and thought that meant Joseph Smith was not inspired by God. Other people left the Church because they did not receive the help they expected with their financial problems. Some members left the Church because they could not forgive other members for actions that had offended them. After leaving the Church, these offended people often became the Church’s worst enemies.

Ezra Booth joined the Church in 1831 after seeing the Prophet heal Elsa Johnson’s arm (see lesson 19). Several months later he was called on a mission to Missouri. He was angry because he had to walk the entire journey and because missionary life was not what he had expected. He was disappointed because he did not see any more miracles like the healing of Elsa Johnson. He began to think and say bad things about the leaders of the Church. Because of his improper behavior during his mission, Ezra Booth was excommunicated when he returned to Ohio. This meant that he was no longer a member of the Church. Instead of repenting, Booth began writing letters to a local newspaper, telling lies about Joseph Smith and the Church. These letters influenced many people in Ohio to become suspicious of Church members and to persecute them.

One winter night a group of men who believed Ezra Booth’s letters got drunk and attacked the homes of Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon in Hiram, Ohio. Joseph had been up late caring for his adopted son, who had the measles, and had just fallen asleep when the angry mob broke into the house. The men dragged Joseph outside, swearing and threatening to kill him. They choked him, tore off his clothes, and tried to push a paddle of hot tar and a bottle of acid into his mouth. The bottle of acid broke, chipping one of Joseph’s teeth and causing him to speak with a whistle for the rest of his life. The men in the mob also dragged Sidney Rigdon from his home. When Joseph saw Sidney lying on the ground, he thought Sidney was dead. The mob decided not to kill Joseph, but they scratched him severely, spread hot tar all over his body, and covered him with feathers.

When Joseph finally got home, Emma saw him and fainted, because she thought the tar covering Joseph was blood. Joseph’s friends helped him clean off the tar, a long and painful process. Sidney Rigdon had been knocked unconscious from the severe cuts and bruises to his head, and he was delirious for several days. Following this terrible experience, the baby that Joseph had been caring for that night caught a severe cold and died.

The next day was Sunday, and Joseph went at the usual time to worship with the Saints. The group of people he preached to included some members of the mob who had covered him with tar and feathers the night before. Even with his skin scraped and sore, Joseph preached as usual and never mentioned the violence of the night before.

Discussion and Application Questions

Study the following questions and the scripture references as you prepare your lesson. Use the questions you feel will best help the children understand the scriptures and apply the principles in their lives. Reading and discussing the scriptures with the children in class will help them gain personal insights.

  • • Why did some of the early Church members apostatize from the Church? How could a forgiving attitude have helped them? What does the Lord say we should do when others offend us? (D&C 64:8–11.)

  • • What did the Lord say Ezra Booth had done wrong? (D&C 64:15–16.) What do we lose if we desire what is wrong? (D&C 64:16.)

  • • What unkind things did the mob do to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon? Why do you think they did these things?

  • • What did Joseph Smith do the morning after he was tarred and feathered? Who was in the congregation? How did Joseph Smith’s actions show that he was a forgiving person? (Joseph Smith did not seek revenge on those who had been cruel to him. He knew that Satan influenced them to oppose the important work of teaching the restored gospel and establishing Jesus’ church on the earth.)

  • • What did Joseph Smith do when he was faced with trials and persecution? (He continued to do the Lord’s work. He understood that Satan would do all he could to destroy the work of the Lord. When bad things happened, Joseph Smith made the best of the situation and continued serving the Lord.)

  • • How do you feel when someone is unkind to you? How do feelings of anger affect us? Help the children understand that being angry or unkind does not help us feel better. If we remain angry or act unkindly in return, we cause ourselves even more unhappiness. What could you do when someone is unkind to you? (See enrichment activities 1 and 3.) What might happen if you are unkind to the person who was unkind to you? What might happen if you are kind to that person?

  • • How can we follow Joseph Smith’s example and develop a forgiving attitude toward those who have hurt or offended us?

  • • How does having a bitter and unforgiving attitude affect us? How does having a forgiving attitude affect us?

  • • Whom are we required to forgive? (D&C 64:10–11.) Why is it important for us to forgive others? (D&C 64:9.) How do we feel when we forgive someone who has hurt our feelings?

Enrichment Activities

You may use one or more of the following activities any time during the lesson or as a review, summary, or challenge.

  • 1. Read statements such as the following ones to the children. Ask them to put their thumbs up if the statement reflects a forgiving attitude and put their thumbs down if it reflects an unforgiving attitude. Discuss how each action described shows forgiveness or a lack of forgiveness.

    • • She hasn’t been friendly to me so I’m not going to be friendly to her.

    • • Every time I see him, he pushes me around. He must have a problem or he wouldn’t treat others so unkindly.

    • • I hit him because he made fun of my little sister.

    • • My little brother scribbled on my schoolwork, so I had to do it over again. I wasn’t angry with him because he is too young to understand how important that paper was.

    • • I’ll forgive her, but I’ll never speak to her again.

    • • My best friend was rude to me today. Maybe she is worried about something.

  • 2. Read or have a child read aloud Proverbs 15:1, and discuss its meaning with the children. Then tell the following story in your own words:

    • In the summer of 1838, when Joseph Smith and his family were living in Far West, Missouri, a false story was spread that Joseph had killed seven men and was going to organize a group to kill everyone who was not a member of the Church. A large group of armed men led by eight officers came looking for Joseph at the house of his parents, where he was visiting. The officers told Lucy Smith, Joseph’s mother, that they had come to kill Joseph Smith and all the other members of the Church. Lucy responded calmly and introduced Joseph to the men. Joseph shook hands with the men in a friendly manner while they stared in disbelief. After all the stories they had heard, it was hard for them to believe this kind and sincere man was Joseph Smith.

    • The Prophet talked with the men for a long time, explaining the views of the Church and the persecution the members had received. He told the men that if any of the members of the Church had broken the law, they ought to be tried by the law in a courtroom, before anyone else was hurt. Then Joseph prepared to leave, explaining to his mother that he needed to get home as Emma was expecting him. Two of the officers jumped to their feet and insisted that they accompany him home, as it was not safe for him to travel alone. The armed men no longer had a desire to harm Joseph, and they returned to their homes with a great respect for him. (See Lucy Mack Smith, History of Joseph Smith, ed. Preston Nibley [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1958], pp. 254–56.)

    • • How did Lucy and Joseph Smith follow Proverbs 15:1 in dealing with these men?

    • • What was the result of Joseph’s “soft answer”?

  • 3. Have the children act out situations in which they can choose to have a forgiving attitude or an unforgiving one. Help them understand that even when they have been hurt, they are free to choose what their attitude will be. Also help them understand that hurt feelings often come because of a misunderstanding rather than an intent to hurt. Use the following situations or those used in enrichment activity 1:

    • • You cleaned your room before you went to school, but after you left, your younger sister messed it up. When you get home from school, your mother will not let you play with your friends because your room is not clean.

    • • You are always chosen last for sports teams at school, which makes you feel hurt. On the way home from school one day you see one of the team captains fall off his bike. His school books and papers scatter all over.

    • • Your friend has a party but does not invite you.

  • 4. Share and allow the children to share appropriate personal experiences in forgiving others or being forgiven.

  • 5. Sing or say the words to “Help Me, Dear Father” (Children’s Songbook, p. 99) with the children.

Conclusion

Testimony

Share your testimony about the peace we can feel when we have a forgiving attitude. Encourage the children to strive to be understanding and kind even when others are unkind to them.

Suggested Home Reading

Suggest that the children study Doctrine and Covenants 64:9–11 at home as a review of this lesson.

Suggested Family Sharing

Encourage the children to share with their families a specific part of the lesson, such as a story, question, or activity, or to read with their families the “Suggested Home Reading.”

Invite a child to give the closing prayer.



TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian
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To: ejonesie22

Gosh, I’ll kinda miss Paragon Defender. Using REAL LDS material to play the cats vs. mouse game with P.D. was fascinating. It was as if P.D. was a young mouse attempting to outwit a pair of wily old barn cats. The question is where and when will our eager young mouse reappear?


301 posted on 04/03/2011 3:37:14 PM PDT by Irish Queen ("Don't fence me in")
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To: restornu
I am not sure but I don’t believe the word simular is the same as saying one is!

In today's world, it's understandably bad to use such terms when addressing other people. Heck, it should be in any world. Come on. It's simply wrong.

302 posted on 04/03/2011 3:37:25 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Jim Robinson

I pray a day before it is too late...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9x_um9Cak


303 posted on 04/03/2011 3:39:26 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

So if Joseph Smith said that all other churches were wrong, you would call that “hate”?


304 posted on 04/03/2011 3:45:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: restornu
You just keep at it, don't you resty?

take meds

305 posted on 04/03/2011 3:48:02 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: restornu
"We are the favored people that God has made choice of"

I believe this is where your belief succeeds or fails. I won't ask for proof as that would be theologically and worldly impossible. But I would ask for clarification on how one can still call the Bible a basis for one's doctrine, yet insist that God gave his true church to a man 1800+ years after His Son walked the Earth, bringing that one true church to the World.

Is Christ our Savior, or only a prophet?

306 posted on 04/03/2011 3:49:32 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: AppyPappy

But did Joseph say that or was it an answer to his question to the Lord and the Lord said...

18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me? Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my infancy?

If one is honest many have trouble with organized earthly churches so belong to none but try to follow the Lord’s teachings.

Dose one really thing in the last days the Lord would His children unprepared to know what is what

and just leave many of the passages in the Bible ambiguous...

to what ever float your boat

there is order in the Lord kingdom

you tell me who on earth today is more prepared to help others?

http://providentliving.org/


307 posted on 04/03/2011 3:55:55 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Dose one really thing in the last days the Lord would His children unprepared to know what is what and just leave many of the passages in the Bible ambiguous...

God left nothing ambiguous. The ambiguity comes from us who are sinful and unable to understand without the aid of the Holy Spirit. Therein lies your misunderstanding of God's will. He has spoken. Have we listened? If you question his Word, then I wonder...

308 posted on 04/03/2011 4:03:15 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco

I hear you but many will not rely on the Holy Ghost many have mocked and made fun and only rely on the Bible even it passages contradict itself because of a lack of knowing how to unlock those passages which The Book of Mormon has unlocked and clarified.


309 posted on 04/03/2011 4:09:18 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
you tell me who on earth today is more prepared to help others?

Prepared? Maybe "prepared", but "willing"...I say not.

Another of mormonism's lies, that they will help "others" If they do it will be after they help themselves, IF they deem the "others" worthy...

310 posted on 04/03/2011 4:12:59 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: restornu

What an individual thinks and says is not the doctrine and like all need to be reminded to put away the natural man if they choose to walk with the Lord.
_____________________________________________

Poor ol’ Joey Smith was born too soon...

Imagine what he might have done with his life if he had been here to listen to you...

Why he might have even repented of his evil ways and gotten saved and become a Christian...


311 posted on 04/03/2011 4:18:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bcsco

This is this: http://files.homepagemodules.de/b25663/f13t3031p3133469n1.pdf
And this:
http://www.ils.unc.edu/~unsworth/mormon/nazi.html
This:
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101120125108AASStzR
And: http://nowscape.com/mormon/hitler_temple_records.htm
There are dozens of articles more. These should give the general idea.


312 posted on 04/03/2011 4:27:01 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: restornu
you tell me who on earth today is more prepared to help others?

Well, they didn't help my Aunt and Uncle as she laid in the hospital for weeks on end, and he was a bishop. Only one person offered food to my Uncle and young cousins, they brought pizza on Thanks Giving Day.

When lds "help" (if they help at all) yet ask to be paid back, sorry sister that's not help.

313 posted on 04/03/2011 4:32:36 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: restornu

Yeah kid but after being told not to, Joey Smith did “join”

Both the Methodist Church and...

HORRORS

The Presbyterian Church...

which excommunicated him and his family in 1830...

UH

TEN YEARS AFTER da mormon lord had ordered him not to join...

Oh SNAP


314 posted on 04/03/2011 4:39:39 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

you tell me who on earth today is more prepared to help others?
___________________________________________

Well although they have 100s of BILLIONS its not the mormons...

so “prepared” yeah ya could say the 100s of BILLIONS the mormon corporation has swindled from their followers could ber considered “preparation”

But no the money is for the comfort and salaries of the top few white guys in the mormon pyramid scheme

and not for helping women or colored folk like the Japanese..

Witness the selfishness of the mormons towards the Haitians...

and the Maoris in New Zealand...

and the black Christians in dire need in the Ivory Coast


315 posted on 04/03/2011 4:46:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jim Robinson
The Zotmeister hath spoken
316 posted on 04/03/2011 4:49:18 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: restornu

First, if people will not rely on the Holy Ghost, that’s to their detriment. That’s not an issue. The Holy Ghost is one of the Trinity. And as for the Book of Mormon unlocking and clarifying passages of the Bible, that is the Holy Ghost’s work. If one doesn’t shun Him, one will succeed. Sorry, but one can put oneself ahead of our true givers of the faith. That is a sorry state in which to be.


317 posted on 04/03/2011 4:53:39 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: restornu
I pray a day before it is too late...


318 posted on 04/03/2011 5:11:02 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: svcw

Well, a lot of that is alarmist for sure. But I’m going to take that with a grain of salt. First, it appears mostly German Mormons, and that leaves a large opening for debate when it comes to following Mormon beliefs.

Understand, I’m not a follower of Mormonism. Nor am I an apologist. However, I prefer debating my beliefs based on published doctrinal differences. I’m not sure such stuff doesn’t weaken such debate.


319 posted on 04/03/2011 5:12:16 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: Jim Robinson

So good to hear you are doing better. My family and I will continue to pray for you!


320 posted on 04/03/2011 5:13:28 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: bcsco

LOL

No one in the house has acclimated to it when I have the Con.

I turn up the sound and lower the base so when things go boom they BOOM! Shaka Laka BOOM!

Everyone swears I do it because I’m deaf

I tell them “Nope. You’re Jealous”.

LOL! I can only do it if the boss is on the other side of the house or shopping.

Otherwise I have to listen to Jazz. Unless she wants me clean or something Then It’s Yee Haw! Country Music and Boot scooting Boogie!

Gawd I feel so much better today. LOL


321 posted on 04/03/2011 5:19:01 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Wow anything that pops in one head is posted

should one check to verify these statements that you have made they would fine endless falsehoods


322 posted on 04/03/2011 5:19:52 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Tennessee Nana

legit sources please?


323 posted on 04/03/2011 5:21:09 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Jim Robinson

What he said!


324 posted on 04/03/2011 5:21:18 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: greyfoxx39

LOL

That’s just plain mean.


325 posted on 04/03/2011 5:23:58 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

Freepercide!


326 posted on 04/03/2011 5:26:52 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: svcw

What? Seriously?

That’s crazy. I would never help someone and expect a thing in return. Not even a thank you.

I just don’t give it another thought.


327 posted on 04/03/2011 5:28:33 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: restornu

Wow anything that pops in one head is posted
_______________________________________

Yes I have noticed that of you....

If it continues to be a problem for you, reread what you have written before you post your comment...


328 posted on 04/03/2011 5:29:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

should one check to verify these statements that you have made they would fine endless falsehoods
___________________________________________________

Yes well thats a decided chance one takes every time one posts from the writings of Joey Smith and Briggie Young et al

all that extra-Biblical literature of the mormons is indeed falsehood


329 posted on 04/03/2011 5:32:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu

legit sources please?
______________________________________

You would mean outside of the mormon websites of course...


330 posted on 04/03/2011 5:33:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Link? I did not know that.


331 posted on 04/03/2011 5:34:36 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: restornu; Tennessee Nana

The legit sources have been posted hundreds of times, all one has to do is search with a pure heart and open mind.


332 posted on 04/03/2011 5:36:26 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Tread EZ
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Bu-bye Retread!!!!

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333 posted on 04/03/2011 5:40:02 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Tread EZ; darkwing104; 50mm; Allegra; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; Jim Robinson
No, [unladylike word] you, Troll EZ.

Ride this on outa here. Twice.

ZOT! ZOT!


334 posted on 04/03/2011 5:44:58 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: greyfoxx39
Retread got recycled back to Zot Land.

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335 posted on 04/03/2011 5:47:03 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: bcsco

First, if people will not rely on the Holy Ghost, that’s to their detriment. That’s not an issue. The Holy Ghost is one of the Trinity. And as for the Book of Mormon unlocking and clarifying passages of the Bible, that is the Holy Ghost’s work. If one doesn’t shun Him, one will succeed. Sorry, but one can put oneself ahead of our true givers of the faith. That is a sorry state in which to be.

****

You are not going to fine it because there are many of these passages that have been distorted or eliminated....

Today’s Bible is a collection of 3rd or 4the copies removed of manuscripts the Originals which do not exist therefore are not included.

These were assemble by Constantine clergy as well in 325 AD decided on the definition of the Trinity after a vigorous debate and doing a scorch earth on those they disagreed with.

BTW there are record down through the ages where much of the orignail doctrine they decided on in 325 AD had been modifired to suit the politcal climate of its day.

One can read these vairous council meeting that took place over the centuries.

Constantine remain a pagan until his death bed one does not even know for sure if he was conscientious when baptized.

The Bible testifies in many passages of missing verses and books not included in and many who have tampered with the word of the Lord.

Lost books http://lds.org/scriptures/bd/lost-books?lang=eng

Isa 24
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant

Some even go to extreme in their rebuttals of common sense that man can Crucifix the Lord but never alter, omit or distort the word of the Lord.

Some discernment is so lacking they cannot tell when the Lord is talking about a situation in 34 AD between Paul and the Lord which has no reference to 1800’s AD

I have studied and combed these issues since the 1980’s


336 posted on 04/03/2011 5:47:16 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Vendome

One example:
Recipients of any commodities provided through the bishop are provided with opportunities to work, to the extent of their ability, in return for the items they receive. Assignments may include cleaning a meetinghouse or being of service to someone else who needs help. This gives the recipients a sense of ownership and accomplishment as well as an opportunity to give back.
The link: http://lds.org/liahona/2009/02/news-of-the-church?lang=eng


337 posted on 04/03/2011 5:48:03 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

LOL another weak link...


338 posted on 04/03/2011 5:48:27 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Vendome

An interesting example:
How are the Mormons able to provide such a service? First, because the service is normally only available to members, they can provide more for each person.
The link:
http://gaymormon.net/tag/bishops-storehouse


339 posted on 04/03/2011 5:51:22 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: restornu
I hear you but many will not rely on the Holy Ghost many have mocked and made fun and only rely on the Bible even it passages contradict itself because of a lack of knowing how to unlock those passages which The Book of Mormon has unlocked and clarified.

Would it be too much to ask to rely on the LDS Holy Ghost to unlock and clarify your post?

340 posted on 04/03/2011 6:00:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

Try pondering I know it is new to you but in the days before the 60’s many folks knew how to do that!


341 posted on 04/03/2011 6:02:22 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Tennessee Nana
Yeah kid but after being told not to, Joey Smith did “join” Both the Methodist Church and... HORRORS The Presbyterian Church... which excommunicated him and his family in 1830...

Yup. He was angry about that his whole life.

342 posted on 04/03/2011 6:04:50 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: restornu
should one check to verify these statements that you have made they would fine endless falsehoods

And here's your ticket:


343 posted on 04/03/2011 6:07:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: restornu
I have studied and combed these issues since the 1980’s

You may wish to try another hair style:


344 posted on 04/03/2011 6:10:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: svcw

I don’t have a problem with that necessarily. For instannce I have a friend who has some issues for 20 years and most of the time when he asks for something it is of so little consequence I just say take it. What do I care if he takes a bag of razors, bar soap and hair care? That’s why I have so much stored. My rainy that may come and the rainy days of others are met by my stores of food and sundries.

However, when he wants more than that he’s got a job to do and that’s they way it is. Why? Because he needs to own what he is asking for and trade money or time for it. Time is something he has until he grows up and figures out what money does for you.

That’s way different than your Aunt and Uncle. People should have been going to help fill their needs and comfort them with zero expectation of being repaid.

We call it charity for a reason. It’s giving, thoughtfully on the one hand and without thought on the other with no strings or expectations.

Otherwise it’s not a gift but a debt and that only compounds the problem.


345 posted on 04/03/2011 6:11:13 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

Ven,
I posted a giant X... but just as a placemarker.

It could be seen as a double entendre...


346 posted on 04/03/2011 6:11:27 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Tread EZ
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347 posted on 04/03/2011 6:11:27 PM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: dragonblustar

Love the piano-playing kitty!


348 posted on 04/03/2011 6:12:29 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: restornu

“11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

And yet, you called us bigots when we said we would not vote for Mitt because of conscience... you better think more about that.


349 posted on 04/03/2011 6:13:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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350 posted on 04/03/2011 6:14:25 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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