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Bishop Adamec Goes Unnoticed and Unmourned into Retirement last January
The Eponymous Flower ^ | April 9, 2011 | Tancred

Posted on 04/09/2011 9:54:12 AM PDT by 0beron

Bishop Adamec of the highly troubled Altoona-Johnestown Diocese retired in January of this year. How was it it was missed? Someone should have been popping the cork of champagne. But like the despot of a distant oriental country flooded with sand and camels tethered in the ruins of better days, his unhappy reign has passed like the report of a swinging rusty sign, deep in the rust belt somewhere between Detroit and Saginaw.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: americanism; homosexuality; liberalism; simony
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To: Celtic Cross

When someone makes a personal remark to me, about me, which is against the stated rules of the RF, I will ask that person not to break the rules and to stop “making it personal.”


51 posted on 04/12/2011 9:49:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thing is, we have a moderator to do that. HE decides what constitutes ‘making it personal.’


52 posted on 04/12/2011 9:53:53 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Celtic Cross

And he did, didn’t he?

And yet all we hear are squeals of protest.


53 posted on 04/12/2011 9:59:23 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"And he did, didn’t he?"

Good then. We can all rest assured that the hall monitor is on the job.

So, as a result, there is no need to worry about people 'making it personal.' If a personal attack is made, he'll be on it. So there is no need for any poster to declare anything a personal attack. Nobody's problem or business except the moderator's to deem what is personal and what is not.

54 posted on 04/12/2011 10:06:56 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Celtic Cross

I’m not sure what your point is. We’ve been told by the RM to alert him to posts that “make it personal.”

That’s what happened on this thread.


55 posted on 04/12/2011 10:09:35 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
My point is this - there is an abuse button. Use it when you feel you're being insulted.

That handy little button removes the need for anyone to post comments ordering other posters to 'follow the rules.'

56 posted on 04/12/2011 10:18:38 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Celtic Cross

See, this is how it works:

If you’re non-Catholic, it’s called “alerting the mod.” And all the pinglist will say amen.

If you’re Catholic, it’s called “whining.” And all the pinglist will murmur something about hellfire.

Easy, huh?


57 posted on 04/12/2011 10:19:05 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Celtic Cross
My point is this - there is an abuse button. Use it when you feel you're being insulted.

lol. Are you now the Religion Moderator? Or just someone telling other people how to post?

I don't intend to keep this up. Why not discuss the article rather than other posters?

58 posted on 04/12/2011 10:26:31 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Kindly abide by the stated rules of the FR Religion Forum.

Yes, that is "making it personal."

We also see you "making this personal." AGAIN."

All courtesy of the good doctor.

Pot meet kettle.

Good day.

59 posted on 04/12/2011 10:40:19 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Kindly abide by the stated rules of the FR Religion Forum.

Yes, that is "making it personal."

We also see you "making this personal." AGAIN."

All courtesy of the good doctor.

60 posted on 04/12/2011 10:41:04 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Running On Empty
...another newcomer” .....We all were once.

And the first post is to the RM telling him what this newcomer thinks? LOL! CONTROL from the get go.
61 posted on 04/12/2011 10:47:18 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Celtic Cross

I would make a comment about a removed post, and then ask again what the poster thinks about the RM and his/her, but I’m terrified I’ll get accused of “making it personal.” ROFL!

PM on the way.


62 posted on 04/12/2011 10:53:45 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: All

OOPS!

Please insert the word “rules” in my previous post, after “his/her.”

Thank you.


63 posted on 04/12/2011 10:57:37 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Salvation; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy
Could it possibly be that some people have been lurking and are now joining the Catholic Church and getting on board

NEWS ALERT! This isn't the catholic church nor a wing of it!

Wondering why you pinged RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

Is that against the rules? The QUESTION IS - why did you ping someone who was told to leave the thread which is against the rules? Oh my!
64 posted on 04/12/2011 11:07:39 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Celtic Cross; Dr. Eckleburg
So why not just let him do his job and stop trying to do it yourself, eh?

Eh? What's that about? Why are you making this thread about Dr. E? Did you come to discuss the thread or stir the pot? Stay focused on Bishop Adamec Goes Unnoticed and Unmourned into Retirement last January. Your thoughts?
65 posted on 04/12/2011 11:14:33 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: divinemercybvm
In the rather brief time I have been here I've seen very few given the boot from these threads, far less than I would have, unless they persist in the face of being warned about what they should’ve known already.

“Harsh”? No, since when these threads turn into insult contests it drives others away, myself amongst them.

66 posted on 04/12/2011 11:16:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Cardinal Burke is playing a pivotal role in vetting candidates for bishop in his role at the Congregation for Bishops.

That is good to hear. We've been waiting a few months now to find out who our new bishop will be.

67 posted on 04/12/2011 11:20:00 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Celtic Cross; Dr. Eckleburg
"Kindly abide by the stated rules of the FR Religion Forum.... Yes, that is "making it personal."...We also see you "making this personal." AGAIN."..............All courtesy of the good doctor.

Gee, CC, how many times does one need to be told before they 'get it'? Not only courtesy, it says alot about Dr. E's patience. Thanks, Dr. E.
68 posted on 04/12/2011 11:21:57 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; Celtic Cross
This is so bizarre -- seeing someone do the very thing they complain about others doing! Isn't that amazing?
69 posted on 04/12/2011 11:22:54 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Exactly! That's was it was meant for. Wake up!

Now what do you think about Bishop Adamec Goes Unnoticed and Unmourned into Retirement last January ? That IS the topic.
70 posted on 04/12/2011 11:34:11 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Stay focused on Bishop Adamec Goes Unnoticed and Unmourned into Retirement last January. Your thoughts?

Thanks for the reminder. From the article...

(Bishop Adamec) has been accused justifiably of Simony and of being a protector of predatory homosexuals, while he has been a scourge to priests loyal to Rome. Now he's gone being replaced by Bishop Bartschak. Here's Bishop Bartschak's statement from the Diocesan rag:

I have spent almost twenty years assisting and advising the Most Rev. Donald Trautman, Bishop of Erie. I want to especially acknowledge his trust in me and the care which he has shown me as a father and brother. He has never been at a loss to offer me practical words of advice and encouragement. I am certainly grateful for the insights and encouragement that he has shared since learning of my appointment as Bishop of Altoona-Johnstown.

I am grateful to Bishop Adamec for the warm welcome and solicitude that he has shared with me in so many ways. He has been quite generous in providing me with the kind of help that is needed during the time of transition that continues for the next several weeks.

If he worked for Bishop Trautsperson, he can't be much better and is probably decidedly worse than the outgoing +Adamec. No doubt those trying to hear the Mass of their grandsires will find things difficult. Yet another Old Liberal given a position of trust where he doesn't belong. May God have mercy on the decaying and rusting Altoona-Jonestown Diocese.

And nothing changes in Rome.

71 posted on 04/12/2011 11:35:17 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: presently no screen name

I regret to say that all the personal posts have distracted me. In any case, I don’t discuss anything to do with my church with those who are completely incapable of self-reflection, particularly when they lack all knowledge of comparative theology.


72 posted on 04/12/2011 11:38:07 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: presently no screen name

I’m sure the RM knows exactly what he/she wants to do about it.


73 posted on 04/12/2011 1:52:24 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

You got that right!

But to say we were all new here in defense of that first post - is laughable!!!!! Why do some just shoot their credibility for defending the indefensible - but that’s the catholic way. Nonetheless, it’s fun to watch.


74 posted on 04/12/2011 2:48:00 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
From the article...

Which apparently was written without knowledge of Bishop Bartschak since the writer responded:

"Thanks for that posting and correction."

after being corrected - by someone we know and love.

:)

75 posted on 04/12/2011 3:22:10 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Judith Anne
particularly when they lack all knowledge of comparative theology.

NOTHING compares to the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God. Who would want knowledge of anything that counterfeits His Word?

I regret to say that all the personal posts have distracted me.

Yet, it didn't stop you from making one yourself.

Are you, also, sorry about the exposure of the sexual evil actions of the RCC priests against catholic boys who have been abused physically, emotionally and spiritually? Is it, also, a distraction that the Vatican/RCC 'trying to appear' reputable covers up these actions?

What should be a wake up call for catholics instead, it appears, they went into RipVanWinkle mode.
76 posted on 04/12/2011 3:23:02 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

It seems to me that an assumption is being made in this post.

There is no indication that my post was defending anything whatsoever.

I merely said that we have all been new at one time on this forum.


77 posted on 04/12/2011 4:27:57 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty
It seems to me that an assumption is being made in this post. There is no indication that my post was defending anything whatsoever.

I'm very aware of what you said and the newbie post in question and the very first post of the newbie. I didn't reply because I didn't know - did you?
78 posted on 04/12/2011 4:46:47 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
"...but that’s the catholic way..."

Mmhm. I always considered that to be the protestant way.

79 posted on 04/12/2011 4:51:36 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Celtic Cross; presently no screen name
Not to pick on you two at the exclusion of all others, myself included ---BUT---

On this forum,
we've all seen insult & complaint of insult, either personal, or more commonly of the "general" sort, which even though general, can be difficult to not take as being meant as more direct sort.

On this very thread, I've seen folks commenting noting insult, in which disparaging remarks aimed at others were also included AT THE SAME TIME, from both or either sides, if I may term it as a thing having "sides".

I guess this might be a poor time to ask "can I get an amen"?

80 posted on 04/12/2011 5:30:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon

gotta go...be back in a couple of hours or so


81 posted on 04/12/2011 5:35:45 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: presently no screen name

I have no idea what your post is about.


82 posted on 04/12/2011 6:31:01 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: D-fendr

All that illustrates is that self-awareness, introspection and criticism of the RCC by RCs runs very shallow.


83 posted on 04/12/2011 7:05:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
Why is that? In sleep mode because I addressed the catholic victims of the criminal catholic priests whose evil actions were covered up by the catholic hierarchy?


84 posted on 04/12/2011 7:13:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Yeah, that’s what it illustrates all right.


85 posted on 04/12/2011 7:34:37 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: presently no screen name

I have no idea what you mean by that.


86 posted on 04/12/2011 7:52:00 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: BlueDragon
"guess this might be a poor time to ask "can I get an amen"?"

Sure, take two! :)

87 posted on 04/13/2011 6:46:54 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I lived in the A-J diocese for 18 years, before the time of Bishop Adamec. I happened to meet him several years ago, and found him to be a pleasant man. While A-J has had more than it’s share of pedophile scandal, Bishop Adamec did what he thought best for the diocese (no easy task, given the wide variety of opinions and problems). He did as well as any bishops, and he leaves the diocese in essentially better shape than he found it. I think people should pray for him and also for Bishop Bartchak, as the latter assumes his duties. From all I’ve read, Bishop Bartchak is an excellent choice. I hope the catholics there give him a warm welcome and a chance to prove himself.


88 posted on 04/20/2011 7:37:38 AM PDT by rikkitt (in Bridgeport, CT diocese)
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To: rikkitt; metmom; RnMomof7; TSgt; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; ...
I lived in the A-J diocese for 18 years, before the time of Bishop Adamec. I happened to meet him several years ago, and found him to be a pleasant man.

I'm pinging some folks to some background on Bishop Adamec, but particularly to the final excerpted sentence in red -- "Records also show that police knew of the sex scandals but discussed them discreetly with diocese officials instead of making arrests."

This is just one more reason why these pederast priest sex scandals take forever to come to light, if ever.

PRIEST KILLS SELF AFTER BISHOP'S LETTER

"In 1996, The Wanderer published a six-week series on Bishop Adamec’s “reign of terror” in the diocese, his persecution of priests and his malicious treatment of concerned laity who objected to his lavish personal lifestyle, his tolerance of liturgical abuses, the cultivation of his cult of personality and the dubious selection of seminarians.

In the course of the series of articles, allegations were made that Bishop Adamec had purchased his bishopric, with a multi-million dollar donation to the building of the U.S. bishops’ new headquarters in Washington, D.C. near the campus of the Catholic University of America. Allegedly, Adamec obtained the funds through the Slovak Federation. The allegations published by The Wanderer received no official response, but at that year’s meeting of the conference of bishops, the bishops spent most of their executive session discussing punitive actions against The Wanderer for publishing the expose on Adamec.

But more importantly...

TIME BISHOP (ADAMEC OF ALTOONA-JOHNSTOWN) COMES CLEAN

"Officials of Altoona-Johnstown Roman Catholic Diocese have known of at least 10 priests implicated in sex abuse cases involving hundreds of young boys, according to public records reviewed by the Tribune-Democrat.

But the offenders remained in the priesthood, and the diocese meted out such mild punishments as transfers, therapy or "rest and recreation."

Not one criminal report was made. Not one priest was arrested.

Only one offender was defrocked Francis Luddy and that came only after a trial and a $2 million-plus assessment against the Church.

Most incidents occurred while now-retired James Hogan was bishop.

But Joseph Adamec, bishop since 1987, has consistently denied a widespread problem, calling the Luddy trial "an isolated case."

In the meantime, testimony about rampant pedophilia was being whispered privately to Blair County Jude Hiram Carpenter behind closed doors.

Records also show that police knew of the sex scandals but discussed them discreetly with diocese officials instead of making arrests...


89 posted on 04/20/2011 10:07:34 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I was already aware of those incidents, tragic as they were. Police have been discreetly discussing sensitive cases with officials for years. In the case of the A-J diocese, this goes back to the time of the late Bishop Hogan. Obviously the way in which the Church handles such cases today is different than what was done previously. I think both Hogan and Adamec were following the accepted procedures of their day, which differ from what is the current practice.
90 posted on 04/21/2011 6:40:56 AM PDT by rikkitt (in Bridgeport, CT diocese)
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To: rikkitt
Police have been discreetly discussing sensitive cases with officials for years.

Right there is the problem. Why would police be "discreetly discussing sensitive cases with officials for years?"

When sexual abuse of children is suspected, arrests are made. Period.

Not so for the Roman Catholic church. It gets a pass.

Just what makes these cases "sensitive?" Because they involve a pederast priest? Why does it takes years? Why just "discussions?"

Twenty-seven priests suspended for suspected child sexual abuse in one diocese in one city.

That's the result of "discreetly discussing sensitive cases with officials for years."

Absolutely pathetic.

91 posted on 04/21/2011 7:47:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I agree that sexual abuse must not be tolerated. As I understand it, if there is a credible accusation, the priest is removed from duty and a full investigation is made, including the criminal justice element. Sadly that had not always been the practice, and the avoidance of scandal was a motive to handle such situations discreetly. A-J had many incidents, as did Bridgeport, CT. Bishop Lori of Bridgeport and new Bishop Bartchak of A-J seem to adhere to the new official church policy. I think Bishop Adamec was in the position of putting things right, after a long period of secrecy.
92 posted on 04/23/2011 7:29:34 AM PDT by rikkitt (in Bridgeport, CT diocese)
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