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A Blueprint for a Monarchy in America [How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
The Altar and Throne Monarchy Site ^ | December 19, 2008 | Nick

Posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

A reader recently sent me a constitution he drew up for a monarchy that would be applicable for the United States, where no one religion stands in the majority. I found his hypothetical constitution intriguing, and was impressed by the depth he went into. While I do not necessarily endorse his proposal in its entirety, I did want to post it for my readers to look over and to comment upon it. (Note: the author of this constitution wished to remain anonymous due to "the current political situation.")


The People

Recognized Churches Must Adhere to the Following Precepts:

Belief in a single God, the Father Almighty, who is eternal and unchanging, the sole creator and master of the universe
Belief in Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, who is co-eternal with the Father, partaking fully in both the human and divine essence
Profession of the Trinity: belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit exist as three separate and distinct persons while sharing a single essence
Belief that salvation comes only through the redemptive sacrifice of Christ
Belief in the literal existence of Heaven and Hell
Belief in the Revealed Truth of Scripture
Promotion of Proper Morality: condemnation of abortion, euthanasia, fornication, polygamy, homosexuality, bestiality and artificial birth control
Rejection of Modern Heresies: condemnation of Marxism, racism and/or ethnocentricism, dispensationalism, relativism, pantheism, and pacifism
Recognition that the mandate to rule comes from God, not popular acclamation
Possession of 10 million adherents within imperial domains

Subjects

While the constitution allows for complete freedom of religion for all inhabitants of the imperial domains, not all religions are equal in the eyes of the state. Subjects are those people who do not belong to Recognized Churches; they are divided into those with religion (Moral Theists) and those without it (Heathens), both groups are free to practice their belief systems in privacy and without interference from imperial authorities. Moral Theists may vote for and hold the office of Tribune of Subjects, an officer who represents them in the Senate. Both Moral Theists and Heathens are barred from all other elections and elected offices, the military officer corps, teaching positions at government schools and the practice of law.

Those Without Religion (Heathens)
Atheists
Those Apathetic to Religion
Pagans, Muslims, Wiccans, New Age Spiritualists, Satanists
Reformed/Progressive Jews
Heretics: Pseudo-Christians not conforming to any one the first nine precepts

Those With Religion (Moral Theists)
Monotheists/Deists: must conform to seventh, eighth, and ninth precepts
Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Zoroastrians
Theravadin and Mahayana Buddhists
Orthodox/Traditional Jews
Independent Christians: Christian sects with less than 10 million adherents
Citizens

Citizens are those people who belong to Recognized Churches; the constitution recognizes two classes of citizens: plebeians and patricians. Though all inhabitants of the imperial domains stand equal before the law, the extent to which one can participate in political life is determined partly by one’s social standing. Citizens, however, possess rights that Subjects do not: these include the freedom of assembly, the right to imperial petition, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Children born to Citizen Families attain citizenship with a proclamation of faith and featly on their 18th birthday in the presence of the County Magistrate; those who decline to make this statement are demoted to Heathen Status.

Plebeians

Plebeians, or commoners, are citizens who hold no official titles; they are divided into two classes: Proletarians and Equestrians. Citizenship is a gift, not a right, and is awarded to those who conform to certain moral standards. As such, Plebeians may be stripped of their status by judgment of the Country Magistrate should they engage in manifest public sin.

Proletarians

Proletarians are Plebeians who hold taxable assets whose net worth is less than $500,000; they are barred from all elected offices and may only vote for one official: the Tribune of Plebeians, who must be a member of the Equestrian class.

Equestrians

Equestrians are Plebeians who hold taxable assets whose net worth is more than $500,000; they may vote in any election and hold any elected office. One may be born to the Equestrian class if one’s father is also an Equestrian but this status may be lost if they fail to accumulate $300,000 worth of taxable assets before their 35th birthday. All officers in the military automatically attain Equestrian status upon their commission which cannot be lost regardless of the value of their assets.

Patricians

Patricians, or nobles, are Catholic citizens whose families have been endowed with titles and estates by the Emperor or higher orders of nobility; they are divided into three classes: Dominates, Magnates and the Imperial Family. Both the imperial and provincial governments include appointed offices which are reserved exclusively for Patricians. To be born into the Patrician class, one’s father or grandfather must also have been a Patrician; one’s status as a Dominate or Magnate is inherited from their father or grandfather as well. As with Plebeians, one can also lose Patrician status if they engage in manifest public sin; this demotion results in automatic Heathen status with the loss of all endowed property and inheritance rights.

Dominates (Lords)

Dominates, or lesser lords, are Patricians who have been ennobled by individual Magnates; these appointments must be ratified by the provincial Council of Magnates. Certain positions at the provincial and imperial levels of government are reserved exclusively for Dominates; among these are those of Censor, Legate and Lictor. Dominate status may be revoked, along with all hereditary titles and property rites, should the individual be found guilty of manifest public sin by the regional Council of Magnates.

Magnates (Great Lords)

Magnates, or great lords, are Patricians who have been ennobled by the Emperor in recognition of their extraordinary achievements or exemplary service to the state. Certain positions at the imperial level of government are reserved exclusively for Magnates; they alone are permitted to assume the offices of Aedile, Dux, Quaestor, Senator and Princeps Senatus. All senior Magnates in a province also belong to the Council of Magnates, responsible for electing Senators to represent them in the Comitia Magnus; the leader of this body is given the honorary title of Dux. Magnate status may be revoked, along with all hereditary titles and property rites, should the individual be found guilty of manifest public sin by judgment of the Emperor.

Imperial Family

The Imperial Family consists of the Emperor, his wife, his children and grandchildren, his siblings and their spouses, and their children and grandchildren. These people possess Magnate status at birth and may be appointed to any position normally reserved for members of that class. Upon his ascension to the throne, the Emperor designates his own successor from among his sons, brothers, nephews, uncles or male cousins over the age of 25; a new successor may be chosen at any time when circumstances demand it. This choice must be verified by the Council of Duxi and the consent of the Papal Tribune.

The Government

The imperial government operates at five levels: municipalities, counties, provinces, eparchies, and the imperial government; with the exception of eparchies, at every level there are both elected and appointed offices open to members of the Plebeian or Patrician class. Any official may be removed from office should he be found guilty of manifest public sin, which could also result in the loss of his citizen status; the court which tries him is dependent on the status of his elected or appointed office. With the exception of Tribunes, only Equestrians and Patricians may vote in elections or hold elected offices; the particulars are listed below.

Municipal Offices

Mayor

The Mayor acts as the municipal executive and may be a member of the Equestrian or Patrician class; terms of service, executive powers, age restrictions, and election particulars are determined by individual provinces and municipalities.


Municipal Councilor

Municipal Councilors act as advisors to the Mayor and may be members of the Equestrian or Patrician class; terms of service, councilor powers, numbers, age restrictions and election particulars are determined by individual provinces and municipalities.

Prefect

The Prefect acts as the municipal judge and may be a member of the Equestrian or Patrician class; he is appointed by the county Magistrate and has the power to appoint further municipal judges beneath him if necessity demands it. The Prefect serves for a term of five years and may be reappointed indefinitely though the associate judges he creates may be dismissed at any time. Prefects must be at least 35 years of age at the time of their first appointment.

County Offices

Magistrate

The Magistrate acts as both the county executive and judge and may be a member of the Equestrian or Patrician class. He is responsible for appointing municipal Prefects, approving mayoral appointments, overseeing public services and facilities and hearing appeals from municipal courts, deciding which cases will be heard by higher courts. The Magistrate is appointed by the Governor with the approval of the Censor and serves for a term of five years; he must be at least 35 years of age at the time of his first appointment and may be reappointed indefinitely. Other powers and duties are determined by individual provinces.

Provincial Offices

Governor

The Governor acts as the provincial executive and may be a member of the Equestrian or Patrician class; he is elected by popular vote and must have held county or municipal offices prior to his election as Governor. His primary duties are to appoint county Magistrates and oversee public facilities and services. Other terms of service, powers, age restrictions and election particulars are determined by individual provinces.

Provincial Councilors

Provincial Councilors act as provincial legislative officials and belong to a body called the Provincial Council; they may be members of the Equestrian or Patrician class and are elected by popular vote in proportion to the population of individual counties within the state. The powers of the Provincial Council, numbers of councilors, age restrictions and election particulars are determined by individual provinces.

Praetor

Praetors act as the provincial judges and may be a member of the Equestrian or Patrician class; they are appointed by the Censor to a ten year term and must have held county or municipal offices prior to their appointment to Praetor. Three Praetors sit on the High Court of each province and are responsible for hearing appeals from lower courts.

Censor

The Censor acts as the eparchial representative in each province and must be a member of the Dominate class; he is appointed to a life term by the Viceroy and is subject to no age restrictions. Censors have the power to appoint Praetors and Dominate Triumviri and veto any law passed by the Provincial Council or any decree from the Governor; their decisions may be appealed to and overturned by the Viceroy.

Eparchial Offices

Viceroy

The Viceroy acts as the imperial representative in each eparchy; he must be a member of the Magnate class and is appointed by the Emperor with the approval of the Senate. The Viceroy holds the position for life and has the power overturn the decision of any Censor in his eparchy and recommend cases for the Legate Court to hear. He presides over meetings of the Provincial Councils within his eparchy and has the responsibility of appointing Legates and Censors.

Legate

Legates act as eparchial judges and must be members of the Dominate class; they are appointed by the Viceroy and serve for life. The five Legates serving on each eparchial Supreme Court are subject to no age restrictions and have the responsibility of hearing appeals from lower courts; they are not obligated to accept every case.

Dux

The Dux is the mostly honorary position held by the leader of each of the eparchial Councils of Magnates according to their own parliamentary rules. The position is held for life; each Dux is also a de facto member of the Council of Duxi, responsible for electing the Princeps Senatus, approving Quaestor appointments and determining imperial succession.

Imperial Offices

Quaestor

Seven Quaestors, or judges, are appointed by the Emperor to officiate on the Imperial Court; all seven must be chosen from among the Magnate class and are subject to no age restrictions. It is their duty to hear appeals from lower courts, though they are not obligated to hear every case; Quaestor appointments, however, must be ratified by the Papal Tribune and the Council of Duxi. Quaestors serve for life and the longest-serving member of the Imperial Court is granted the honorary rank of Quaestor Magnus; at official functions, the Quaestor Magnus carries the Hand of Justice, symbolizing the triumph of law over chaos and the subservience of human law to the divine order.

Triumvir

Three Triumviri represent each province in the Comitia Minor; of these three representatives, two must be Equestrians and one must be a Dominate. All Triumviri must be at least 25 years of age. Equestrian Triumviri are elected by a majority vote of the provincial legislature with the approval of the Viceroy while Dominate Triumviri are appointed by the Censor of each province; they occupy their office for a term of five years and may be reelected or reappointed indefinitely.

Lictor

Elected by the Dominate Triumviri of the Comitia Minor; those holding the rank of Lictor must be Dominates themselves and at least 35 years of age. In this largely ceremonial role, the Lictor presides over all meetings of the Comitia Minor and carries the Fasces of State, symbolizing imperial power, at all official functions.

Senator

Two Senators are elected by each Council of Magnates according to their own parliamentary rules. Those holding the rank of Senator must be Magnates themselves and at least 35 years of age. Senators are barred from holding any other governmental office and serve in the Comitia Major for life.

Princeps Senatus

Elected by the Council of Duxi according to their own parliamentary rules; the one holding this office must be a Magnate himself and a Dux. The Princeps Senatus is subject to no age restrictions and holds the title for life. It is his duty to preside over all meetings of the Comitia Major and to cast the deciding vote in the event of a tie. At official functions, the Princeps Senatus is granted the honor of carrying the Sword of State, representing the duty of government to protect its people.

Tribune of Subjects

Elected by a popular vote of Moral Theists over the age of 18; the one holding this office must be a Moral Theist himself and be at least 35 years of age. To attain the position, candidates for this office must gain a simple majority of votes; in the event that one of the candidates fails to achieve a majority, another election will be held between the two leading contenders. The Tribune of Subjects serves a term of five years and may be reelected indefinitely; he has the power to veto any legislation he feels is detrimental to his constituents, but this veto can be overridden by a two-thirds majority vote in the Comitia Major or by imperial proclamation.

Tribune of Plebeians

Elected by a popular vote of all Plebeians, both Proletarians and Equestrians, over the age of 18; the one holding this office must be an Equestrian himself and at least 35 years of age. To attain the position, candidates for this office must gain a simple majority of votes; in the event that one of the candidates fails to achieve a majority, another election will be held between the two leading contenders. The Tribune of Plebeians serves a term of five years and may be reelected indefinitely; he has the power to veto any legislation he feels is detrimental to his constituents, but this veto can be overridden by a four-fifths majority vote in the Comitia Major or by imperial proclamation.

Papal Tribune

The Papal Tribune is appointed by the Supreme Pontiff and holds the position for life; the one holding this office must be a Catholic clergyman holding the rank of bishop. The Papal Tribune has the power to veto any legislation that betrays the principles of Christian morality; this veto is final and may only be overturned by imperial decree.

Imperator (Emperor)

The Emperor acts as the chief executive; his succession must be ratified by the previous Emperor, the Council of Duxi, and the Papal Tribune. It is his responsibility to defend the rule of law and Christian Civilization from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Though his power to declare war, appoint certain officials, and use state monies is abrogated by the Senate or the nobility, the Emperor may overrule the decision of any court, create new Magnates and preside over all meetings of the full Senate.

The author of this also gave these additional disclaimers:

I have divided the people living in any hypothetical imperial realm into subjects and citizens, based on their religious creed. Basically anyone adhering to the seventh, eighth and ninth precepts is considered a moral theist, as are Christian groups which conform to all the other nine precepts but have less than 10 million members. Only state-recognized churches receive tax-free status; by requiring 10 million members for this I hope to force the myriad of independent Protestant churches to combine into larger organizations with a more strict emphasis on doctrinal orthodoxy. Catholics of course get preeminent status in the government. As you can see, people may lose their citizen status or office should they be found guilty of manifest public sin.

Upon their 18th birthday, young people from citizen families will be required to take an oath in which they adhere to the first nine precepts; those converting to one of the Recognized Churches can apply for citizenship and, after a period of political and spiritual instruction, will be administered the same oath. Young people from citizen families who refuse to take the oath will be demoted to heathen status, as are people who leave one of the Recognized Churches; this may be appealed only after 10 years and the testimony of credible witnesses attesting to that person's conversion.

The government operates on five levels: municipalities, counties, provinces, eparchies, and the imperial government. The day to day governance is mostly conducted at the municipal/county/province level by elected officials. The eparchies are mostly judicial units consisting of several provinces designed to provide direct imperial oversight of lower offices. This system tries to allow people to run their own affairs as much as possible with limited interference but nonetheless has safeguards to ensure that new laws passed do not conflict with Christian morality. Hence the division between citizens and subjects/nobles and commoners. You'll also notice a distinction between Proletarians and Equestrians based on wealth; I do not hate the poor, but I do recognize that people without wealth and education tend to support destructive policies, hence the reason they are banned from all but one election.

The Imperial Senate is the legislative body of the Empire and is divided into an upper house (Comitia Major) and a lower house (Comitia Minor). The latter is at least 1/3 noble at all times, limiting the power of commoners to make direct policy at the highest level of government. The Tribunes exist to ensure that the people's voice is at least heard, but they can still be overruled by the Comitia Major. Basically the Comitia Major has the powers we Americans would associate with the Senate while the Comitia Minor is comperable to the House of Representatives.

Officially the Emperor's powers are comparable to that of a US President insofar as his ablility to declare war, raise taxes, and appoint certain officials is concerned; but he is capable of exerting far more influence over the government should he have the backing of the Church or other circumstances demand it.


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Subjects

While the constitution allows for complete freedom of religion for all inhabitants of the imperial domains, not all religions are equal in the eyes of the state. Subjects are those people who do not belong to Recognized Churches; they are divided into those with religion (Moral Theists) and those without it (Heathens), both groups are free to practice their belief systems in privacy and without interference from imperial authorities. Moral Theists may vote for and hold the office of Tribune of Subjects, an officer who represents them in the Senate. Both Moral Theists and Heathens are barred from all other elections and elected offices, the military officer corps, teaching positions at government schools and the practice of law.

Those Without Religion (Heathens)

Those Apathetic to Religion Those With Religion (Moral Theists) Citizens

Citizens are those people who belong to Recognized Churches; the constitution recognizes two classes of citizens: plebeians and patricians. Though all inhabitants of the imperial domains stand equal before the law, the extent to which one can participate in political life is determined partly by one’s social standing. Citizens, however, possess rights that Subjects do not: these include the freedom of assembly, the right to imperial petition, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Children born to Citizen Families attain citizenship with a proclamation of faith and featly on their 18th birthday in the presence of the County Magistrate; those who decline to make this statement are demoted to Heathen Status.

....Only state-recognized churches receive tax-free status; by requiring 10 million members for this I hope to force the myriad of independent Protestant churches to combine into larger organizations with a more strict emphasis on doctrinal orthodoxy. Catholics of course get preeminent status in the government. As you can see, people may lose their citizen status or office should they be found guilty of manifest public sin.

1 posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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Related threads:
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2 posted on 05/03/2011 12:21:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Recognized Churches: NO THANKS. It is doubtly the early Church under Rome (the Empire, nor Chicom today-and many others) hold such beliefs!

J.S.


3 posted on 05/03/2011 12:22:49 PM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Allow me to let you in on a little secret, Alex: there’s no shortage of goofballs on the Internet, and finding the ravings of a goofball and posting them isn’t really much of an achievement.


4 posted on 05/03/2011 12:28:53 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

please can you remove this?

5 posted on 05/03/2011 12:29:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy
"How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans"

Yeah Alex, I know. It really sucks to be...What class do you fall into? Heathen is it?

6 posted on 05/03/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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Note: all Christian brothers and sisters (whether you be Lutheran, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Orthodox, Oriental, Presbyterian, Mennonite, Pentecostal etc.)

This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians

Let us ignore this and reject the left's aims to divide Christians

7 posted on 05/03/2011 12:33:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Agreed! This is just goofy.


8 posted on 05/03/2011 12:39:31 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: Cronos
This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians. Let us ignore this and reject the left's aims to divide Christians

The only way this thread could get Christians to fight each other would be if someone on the thread was supportive of Catholic Monarchism. Would that be you, Cronos?

9 posted on 05/03/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Campion

The rumours of the supercomputer underneath the Vatican with all the Protestant names and locations makes so more sense now.

Freegards, You may call me “Duke Ransomed”, my heathen serfs


10 posted on 05/03/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cronos

It is not an ecumenical thread so antagonism is allowed.


11 posted on 05/03/2011 12:42:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Ransomed

“...makes so more sense now.”

Yeesh.

Freegards


12 posted on 05/03/2011 12:43:29 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy

Stopped by to join the ignore caucus.

Thanks Cronos


13 posted on 05/03/2011 12:44:48 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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Yet, you yourself say that we cannot add inflammatory statements to Article TITLEs -- the original article on the website does not have .[How ....Monarchists view the rest of us Americans
14 posted on 05/03/2011 12:49:29 PM PDT by Cronos
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Prophesies Regarding the Coming Great Catholic Monarch
15 posted on 05/03/2011 12:52:39 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Alex Murphy

One can certainly find magisterial documents of various weight and importance showing a preference for monarchies with an established Catholic Church, but those should also be balanced by the following magisterial document of the Vatican II Ecumenical Council, the “Declaration on Religious Liberty”:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html


16 posted on 05/03/2011 12:54:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cronos
If I deem a comment to be flame bait, I may remove it.

I do not know of any Catholic Monarchists on this forum - political conservatism (emphasis on individual liberty) and monarchism do not mix well.

17 posted on 05/03/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos
I'm currently reading this:

Suffice it to say that those who are deeply invested in the idea of the ascendancy of global democracy or the superiority of republican government or the collapse of the Church will not like this book. ;-)

I'm not saying I'm for monarchy in any form, its just that 2000 years of solid Catholic prophecy foretells a return to monarchy, not the ascendancy of republican or democratic governmental systems.

That might be what is behind a lot of these kooky "Catholic monarchy" websites.

18 posted on 05/03/2011 1:01:47 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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this is not a comment -- can you read the add-on to the TITLE of this article.

You yourself have said in the past that one cannot add on inflammatory comments to article TITLEs or distort TITLES, and have deleted them. As an impartial RM, I'm sure you would enforce the same rules you have applied before.

19 posted on 05/03/2011 1:02:01 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Religion Moderator
"political conservatism (emphasis on individual liberty) and monarchism do not mix well."

FYI, its called a constitutional monarchy.

20 posted on 05/03/2011 1:02:39 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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Admin Mod — as you can see by the link, the original title of this thread did not have the added [.....] statement added in. Please can you restore the title to the original title in the article?


21 posted on 05/03/2011 1:06:43 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy

This whole idea is total BS, and anyone who calls for it should be jailed for sedition at best.

(And I’m a Catholic!)


22 posted on 05/03/2011 1:06:47 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
First Amendment?

Crazy is not a crime.

23 posted on 05/03/2011 1:07:51 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

Might I propose a compromise? It would leave the words added by the poster of this thread as they are and at the same time would ensure greater clarity and accuracy in the title.

I suggest the word "two" be placed between the words "How" and "Catholic". The "two" of course, being the author of this schema and the owner of the blog from which it was lifted.

The title would therefore become ...."How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans".

That would succinctly convey the fact that this is a non story and a total waste of space. At the same time it would remove the ambiguity that there is some sort of Catholic monarchist insurrection brewing, which could be construed from the headline as it stands.

24 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:54 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Alex Murphy
ROTFLMAO

I don't know who is worse, the dolts who sit in their parents basements advocating this kind of thing or those who take it seriously enough to think we need to be warned about it. I mean, come on, a monarchy of any sort?

I guess some people can't focus on deep thoughts like "The Bestselling Rapture Doctrine", the "Self-Election to Perfection Doctrine", or the "New Age Is The Rage Doctrine", when they think someone, in a basement somewhere, might be plotting to make them shovel out the the stables and scrub the wooden floors of the castle.

Geez, these peasants, they always have to have something to be terrified of. /wink

25 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:56 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Cronos

I think most of us know the answer to the question: “Which Church Saves?

Answer; none of them: “Jesus Saves!”

Two of the greatest announcements made by angels was: “Unto you is born this day in the city of David, a Saviour, Christ the Lord.” and “He is not here but is risen!”

God has highly esteemed Him (Jesus) given Him a name which is above every name.”

The Holy Scriptures teach us that He(Jesus) is building the church, and He loved the Church and gave Himself for it.

So the church is not ours, nor theirs, nor yours, but it is His Church; and He will present it without spot or wrinkle. Praise His Holy name!


26 posted on 05/03/2011 1:14:29 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
This whole idea is total BS, and anyone who calls for it should be jailed for sedition at best. (And I’m a Catholic!)

Thank you - and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm surprised, frankly, at the number of Catholics on FR who can't/won't make a similar statement! IMO a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time in history, and I would think anyone possessing American citizenship would be saying the same.

27 posted on 05/03/2011 1:15:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Rashputin; Alex Murphy

The group that Alex belongs to also thinks that the “rapture” is a joke and that Pentecostals, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans etc. are heretics and/or follow a “satanic gospel”. This group’s doctrine preaches hatred of all us Christians.


28 posted on 05/03/2011 1:15:56 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos; Religion Moderator

Note: all Christian brothers and sisters (whether you be “Lutheran, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Orthodox, Oriental, Presbyterian, Mennonite, Pentecostal etc.)

This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians

Let us ignore this and reject the left’s aims to divide Christians.”

Amen

It was written in 2008 by a guy called Nick who owns a blog and where it lay dormant until this novatian-groupie resurrected it. The problem with these anti-Catholic threads are that they go on top of the google search engine. It’s where all the resurrected pedophilia threads went and they know it.


29 posted on 05/03/2011 1:21:20 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Alex Murphy

You are DARN right that I, a Catholic, am a monarchist.

There is only ONE KING - Hail, Christ the King!

I look forward to that day when The Lord God, King of the Universe reigns.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 1:25:53 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy; Cronos; bronxville
I added the "Two" to head off a flame war.

Cronos, you are evidently not an American. Free Republic is pro-Constitution meaning this U.S. Constitution, pro-individual liberty and so on. Such things are obviously not compatible with monarchism, i.e. Declaration of Independence.

bronxville, Cronos, all --- do NOT make this thread "about" the poster of it. That is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

31 posted on 05/03/2011 1:28:10 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos
"This group’s doctrine preaches hatred of all us Christians."

There's a lot of that going around on FR and they're all so obvious that they're funny. Of course they prefer Satan, he self-elected the same way they self-elect. So for them, what's not to like about Satan?

32 posted on 05/03/2011 1:31:11 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Religion Moderator
Well thank you......

I think that brings a sense of proportion to this issue.

Two guys on a blog batting around ideas is no reason to start World War III.

33 posted on 05/03/2011 1:32:38 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Religion Moderator; Cronos
"Cronos, you are evidently not an American. Free Republic is pro-Constitution meaning this U.S. Constitution, pro-individual liberty and so on. Such things are obviously not compatible with monarchism, i.e. Declaration of Independence...

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

Aren't YOU making it personal? Darn straight cronos is an American, and who the heck are you to say otherwise! Feel free to discuss the issue, but please, don't make personal comments about posters.

34 posted on 05/03/2011 1:33:21 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Hello Moderator,

Is a 2008 thread about a blogger called “Nick” acceptable on this forum?

Regards,

bronxville


35 posted on 05/03/2011 1:33:24 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Missed a word. Should read “Darn straight cronos may be an American.”


36 posted on 05/03/2011 1:39:11 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Alex Murphy

How do you stop a Polish army on horseback?

Answer: Turn off the carousel.


37 posted on 05/03/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Emperor Palpatine
It takes one special flavor of nut job to invent a group of monarchists who decide that Free Republic, of all places (!!!), is the best site for them to hang out. But if building up strawmen is someone's idea of a good time, well, I guess it keeps them out of even stupider trouble.

By the way, none of this was directed towards such a talented, dynamic and handsome Emperor as yourself, Palpatine.... Exceptions to every Ruler, ya know? ;)

38 posted on 05/03/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"I'm not saying I'm for monarchy in any form, its just that 2000 years of solid Catholic prophecy foretells a return to monarchy, ... "

Oh, great. I'm already considering selling those organs of mine that are in good condition to buy more books and you add another one to my list. /grin

Actually, thanks for the heads up on the book. I haven't run across it and know nothing about Catholic prophecy.

39 posted on 05/03/2011 2:04:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Cronos; Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
 
please can you remove this?

Don't hold your breath. Unless an article is labeled as a Caucus it's open season on Catholics and Mormons around here.

(If only Sarah Palin were Catholic, then the Catholic bashing might be curtailed.)

40 posted on 05/03/2011 2:19:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Rashputin

Its definitely worth reading. And its definitely something anti-Catholics will not only disagree with, its something they will hate with a seething passion ;-)


41 posted on 05/03/2011 2:19:10 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience
How do you stop a Polish army on horseback?

Answer: Turn off the carousel.

lol. But in all seriousness, Polish guys on horseback came in handy on September 11, 1683.

42 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:34 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Cronos; Religion Moderator; Alex Murphy
this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

Seeing that

a. The article was written by Roman Catholic Monarchists

and

b. There are several admitted Roman Catholic Monarchists on Free Republic

I suggest that the title is quite fitting.

43 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:46 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock
There are several admitted Roman Catholic Monarchists on Free Republic

There are?

44 posted on 05/03/2011 2:23:11 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Gamecock

The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.


45 posted on 05/03/2011 2:23:53 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Yup


46 posted on 05/03/2011 2:26:48 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

Who exactly on this forum is a Catholic Monarchist? Please list screen names.


47 posted on 05/03/2011 2:30:59 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience; Alex Murphy
Good one -- I can tell my in-laws that. But then they'll turn around and tell me about Jan Sobieski III saving Christianity by defeating the Turks at the gates of Vienna in 1683

or they'll tell me as an American that I should be ashamed to not remember

This guy fighting during the Revolutionary wars.

hmmm... looking at these two guys, I should be proud that you think I'm Polish, pretty good for a kid from Delaware who has no Polish blood at all. What is strange is that a 2007 newbie thinks that -- I guess you may not remember that at various times during these ten years I've had the DE, NY locales and probably the most was the British flag during my 5 years stay there.. but oh, I guess if some folks can't defend their ant-Christian groups, they will then turn to what they think are personal attacks (but when it turns out to be wrong, it's just egg on their faces!)

48 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:15 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: bronxville; Alex Murphy
The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.

Or in all likelihood it is a Roman Catholic Monarchist named Nick.

BTW: For the lurkers, what you have just seen is a predictable Catholic attempt to deflect attention elsewhere. Just like Roman Catholics on FR who blame sexually abused children for the abuse they suffered by by priests.

49 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: bronxville
The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.

It's "Alex", and ping me when you talk about me.

50 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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