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A Blueprint for a Monarchy in America [How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
The Altar and Throne Monarchy Site ^ | December 19, 2008 | Nick

Posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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While the constitution allows for complete freedom of religion for all inhabitants of the imperial domains, not all religions are equal in the eyes of the state. Subjects are those people who do not belong to Recognized Churches; they are divided into those with religion (Moral Theists) and those without it (Heathens), both groups are free to practice their belief systems in privacy and without interference from imperial authorities. Moral Theists may vote for and hold the office of Tribune of Subjects, an officer who represents them in the Senate. Both Moral Theists and Heathens are barred from all other elections and elected offices, the military officer corps, teaching positions at government schools and the practice of law.

Those Without Religion (Heathens)

Those Apathetic to Religion Those With Religion (Moral Theists) Citizens

Citizens are those people who belong to Recognized Churches; the constitution recognizes two classes of citizens: plebeians and patricians. Though all inhabitants of the imperial domains stand equal before the law, the extent to which one can participate in political life is determined partly by one’s social standing. Citizens, however, possess rights that Subjects do not: these include the freedom of assembly, the right to imperial petition, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Children born to Citizen Families attain citizenship with a proclamation of faith and featly on their 18th birthday in the presence of the County Magistrate; those who decline to make this statement are demoted to Heathen Status.

....Only state-recognized churches receive tax-free status; by requiring 10 million members for this I hope to force the myriad of independent Protestant churches to combine into larger organizations with a more strict emphasis on doctrinal orthodoxy. Catholics of course get preeminent status in the government. As you can see, people may lose their citizen status or office should they be found guilty of manifest public sin.

1 posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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2 posted on 05/03/2011 12:21:42 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Recognized Churches: NO THANKS. It is doubtly the early Church under Rome (the Empire, nor Chicom today-and many others) hold such beliefs!

J.S.


3 posted on 05/03/2011 12:22:49 PM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Allow me to let you in on a little secret, Alex: there’s no shortage of goofballs on the Internet, and finding the ravings of a goofball and posting them isn’t really much of an achievement.


4 posted on 05/03/2011 12:28:53 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

please can you remove this?

5 posted on 05/03/2011 12:29:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy
"How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans"

Yeah Alex, I know. It really sucks to be...What class do you fall into? Heathen is it?

6 posted on 05/03/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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Note: all Christian brothers and sisters (whether you be Lutheran, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Orthodox, Oriental, Presbyterian, Mennonite, Pentecostal etc.)

This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians

Let us ignore this and reject the left's aims to divide Christians

7 posted on 05/03/2011 12:33:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Agreed! This is just goofy.


8 posted on 05/03/2011 12:39:31 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: Cronos
This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians. Let us ignore this and reject the left's aims to divide Christians

The only way this thread could get Christians to fight each other would be if someone on the thread was supportive of Catholic Monarchism. Would that be you, Cronos?

9 posted on 05/03/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Campion

The rumours of the supercomputer underneath the Vatican with all the Protestant names and locations makes so more sense now.

Freegards, You may call me “Duke Ransomed”, my heathen serfs


10 posted on 05/03/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cronos

It is not an ecumenical thread so antagonism is allowed.


11 posted on 05/03/2011 12:42:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Ransomed

“...makes so more sense now.”

Yeesh.

Freegards


12 posted on 05/03/2011 12:43:29 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy

Stopped by to join the ignore caucus.

Thanks Cronos


13 posted on 05/03/2011 12:44:48 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Religion Moderator
Yet, you yourself say that we cannot add inflammatory statements to Article TITLEs -- the original article on the website does not have .[How ....Monarchists view the rest of us Americans
14 posted on 05/03/2011 12:49:29 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Campion; Cronos; Celtic Cross
Prophesies Regarding the Coming Great Catholic Monarch
15 posted on 05/03/2011 12:52:39 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Alex Murphy

One can certainly find magisterial documents of various weight and importance showing a preference for monarchies with an established Catholic Church, but those should also be balanced by the following magisterial document of the Vatican II Ecumenical Council, the “Declaration on Religious Liberty”:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651207_dignitatis-humanae_en.html


16 posted on 05/03/2011 12:54:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cronos
If I deem a comment to be flame bait, I may remove it.

I do not know of any Catholic Monarchists on this forum - political conservatism (emphasis on individual liberty) and monarchism do not mix well.

17 posted on 05/03/2011 12:57:37 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos
I'm currently reading this:

Suffice it to say that those who are deeply invested in the idea of the ascendancy of global democracy or the superiority of republican government or the collapse of the Church will not like this book. ;-)

I'm not saying I'm for monarchy in any form, its just that 2000 years of solid Catholic prophecy foretells a return to monarchy, not the ascendancy of republican or democratic governmental systems.

That might be what is behind a lot of these kooky "Catholic monarchy" websites.

18 posted on 05/03/2011 1:01:47 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Religion Moderator
this is not a comment -- can you read the add-on to the TITLE of this article.

You yourself have said in the past that one cannot add on inflammatory comments to article TITLEs or distort TITLES, and have deleted them. As an impartial RM, I'm sure you would enforce the same rules you have applied before.

19 posted on 05/03/2011 1:02:01 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Religion Moderator
"political conservatism (emphasis on individual liberty) and monarchism do not mix well."

FYI, its called a constitutional monarchy.

20 posted on 05/03/2011 1:02:39 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Admin Moderator

Admin Mod — as you can see by the link, the original title of this thread did not have the added [.....] statement added in. Please can you restore the title to the original title in the article?


21 posted on 05/03/2011 1:06:43 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy

This whole idea is total BS, and anyone who calls for it should be jailed for sedition at best.

(And I’m a Catholic!)


22 posted on 05/03/2011 1:06:47 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
First Amendment?

Crazy is not a crime.

23 posted on 05/03/2011 1:07:51 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

Might I propose a compromise? It would leave the words added by the poster of this thread as they are and at the same time would ensure greater clarity and accuracy in the title.

I suggest the word "two" be placed between the words "How" and "Catholic". The "two" of course, being the author of this schema and the owner of the blog from which it was lifted.

The title would therefore become ...."How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans".

That would succinctly convey the fact that this is a non story and a total waste of space. At the same time it would remove the ambiguity that there is some sort of Catholic monarchist insurrection brewing, which could be construed from the headline as it stands.

24 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:54 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Alex Murphy
ROTFLMAO

I don't know who is worse, the dolts who sit in their parents basements advocating this kind of thing or those who take it seriously enough to think we need to be warned about it. I mean, come on, a monarchy of any sort?

I guess some people can't focus on deep thoughts like "The Bestselling Rapture Doctrine", the "Self-Election to Perfection Doctrine", or the "New Age Is The Rage Doctrine", when they think someone, in a basement somewhere, might be plotting to make them shovel out the the stables and scrub the wooden floors of the castle.

Geez, these peasants, they always have to have something to be terrified of. /wink

25 posted on 05/03/2011 1:08:56 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Cronos

I think most of us know the answer to the question: “Which Church Saves?

Answer; none of them: “Jesus Saves!”

Two of the greatest announcements made by angels was: “Unto you is born this day in the city of David, a Saviour, Christ the Lord.” and “He is not here but is risen!”

God has highly esteemed Him (Jesus) given Him a name which is above every name.”

The Holy Scriptures teach us that He(Jesus) is building the church, and He loved the Church and gave Himself for it.

So the church is not ours, nor theirs, nor yours, but it is His Church; and He will present it without spot or wrinkle. Praise His Holy name!


26 posted on 05/03/2011 1:14:29 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
This whole idea is total BS, and anyone who calls for it should be jailed for sedition at best. (And I’m a Catholic!)

Thank you - and I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm surprised, frankly, at the number of Catholics on FR who can't/won't make a similar statement! IMO a functional, constitutional representative republic is the best form of government over any country, at any time in history, and I would think anyone possessing American citizenship would be saying the same.

27 posted on 05/03/2011 1:15:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Rashputin; Alex Murphy

The group that Alex belongs to also thinks that the “rapture” is a joke and that Pentecostals, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans etc. are heretics and/or follow a “satanic gospel”. This group’s doctrine preaches hatred of all us Christians.


28 posted on 05/03/2011 1:15:56 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos; Religion Moderator

Note: all Christian brothers and sisters (whether you be “Lutheran, Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Orthodox, Oriental, Presbyterian, Mennonite, Pentecostal etc.)

This article was posted just to get Christians to fight each other — that’s the aim of the left, to divide us Christians

Let us ignore this and reject the left’s aims to divide Christians.”

Amen

It was written in 2008 by a guy called Nick who owns a blog and where it lay dormant until this novatian-groupie resurrected it. The problem with these anti-Catholic threads are that they go on top of the google search engine. It’s where all the resurrected pedophilia threads went and they know it.


29 posted on 05/03/2011 1:21:20 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Alex Murphy

You are DARN right that I, a Catholic, am a monarchist.

There is only ONE KING - Hail, Christ the King!

I look forward to that day when The Lord God, King of the Universe reigns.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 1:25:53 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: marshmallow; Alex Murphy; Cronos; bronxville
I added the "Two" to head off a flame war.

Cronos, you are evidently not an American. Free Republic is pro-Constitution meaning this U.S. Constitution, pro-individual liberty and so on. Such things are obviously not compatible with monarchism, i.e. Declaration of Independence.

bronxville, Cronos, all --- do NOT make this thread "about" the poster of it. That is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

31 posted on 05/03/2011 1:28:10 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos
"This group’s doctrine preaches hatred of all us Christians."

There's a lot of that going around on FR and they're all so obvious that they're funny. Of course they prefer Satan, he self-elected the same way they self-elect. So for them, what's not to like about Satan?

32 posted on 05/03/2011 1:31:11 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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Well thank you......

I think that brings a sense of proportion to this issue.

Two guys on a blog batting around ideas is no reason to start World War III.

33 posted on 05/03/2011 1:32:38 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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"Cronos, you are evidently not an American. Free Republic is pro-Constitution meaning this U.S. Constitution, pro-individual liberty and so on. Such things are obviously not compatible with monarchism, i.e. Declaration of Independence...

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

Aren't YOU making it personal? Darn straight cronos is an American, and who the heck are you to say otherwise! Feel free to discuss the issue, but please, don't make personal comments about posters.

34 posted on 05/03/2011 1:33:21 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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Hello Moderator,

Is a 2008 thread about a blogger called “Nick” acceptable on this forum?

Regards,

bronxville


35 posted on 05/03/2011 1:33:24 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Missed a word. Should read “Darn straight cronos may be an American.”


36 posted on 05/03/2011 1:39:11 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: Alex Murphy

How do you stop a Polish army on horseback?

Answer: Turn off the carousel.


37 posted on 05/03/2011 1:44:47 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Emperor Palpatine
It takes one special flavor of nut job to invent a group of monarchists who decide that Free Republic, of all places (!!!), is the best site for them to hang out. But if building up strawmen is someone's idea of a good time, well, I guess it keeps them out of even stupider trouble.

By the way, none of this was directed towards such a talented, dynamic and handsome Emperor as yourself, Palpatine.... Exceptions to every Ruler, ya know? ;)

38 posted on 05/03/2011 1:54:02 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"I'm not saying I'm for monarchy in any form, its just that 2000 years of solid Catholic prophecy foretells a return to monarchy, ... "

Oh, great. I'm already considering selling those organs of mine that are in good condition to buy more books and you add another one to my list. /grin

Actually, thanks for the heads up on the book. I haven't run across it and know nothing about Catholic prophecy.

39 posted on 05/03/2011 2:04:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Cronos; Religion Moderator
RM -- this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
 
please can you remove this?

Don't hold your breath. Unless an article is labeled as a Caucus it's open season on Catholics and Mormons around here.

(If only Sarah Palin were Catholic, then the Catholic bashing might be curtailed.)

40 posted on 05/03/2011 2:19:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Shemp was the Fourth Stooge of the Apocalypse.)
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To: Rashputin

Its definitely worth reading. And its definitely something anti-Catholics will not only disagree with, its something they will hate with a seething passion ;-)


41 posted on 05/03/2011 2:19:10 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience
How do you stop a Polish army on horseback?

Answer: Turn off the carousel.

lol. But in all seriousness, Polish guys on horseback came in handy on September 11, 1683.

42 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:34 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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this thread has an inflammatory add-on by the poster to the subject line of the article.[How Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]

Seeing that

a. The article was written by Roman Catholic Monarchists

and

b. There are several admitted Roman Catholic Monarchists on Free Republic

I suggest that the title is quite fitting.

43 posted on 05/03/2011 2:20:46 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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There are several admitted Roman Catholic Monarchists on Free Republic

There are?

44 posted on 05/03/2011 2:23:11 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Gamecock

The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.


45 posted on 05/03/2011 2:23:53 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Yup


46 posted on 05/03/2011 2:26:48 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

Who exactly on this forum is a Catholic Monarchist? Please list screen names.


47 posted on 05/03/2011 2:30:59 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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Good one -- I can tell my in-laws that. But then they'll turn around and tell me about Jan Sobieski III saving Christianity by defeating the Turks at the gates of Vienna in 1683

or they'll tell me as an American that I should be ashamed to not remember

This guy fighting during the Revolutionary wars.

hmmm... looking at these two guys, I should be proud that you think I'm Polish, pretty good for a kid from Delaware who has no Polish blood at all. What is strange is that a 2007 newbie thinks that -- I guess you may not remember that at various times during these ten years I've had the DE, NY locales and probably the most was the British flag during my 5 years stay there.. but oh, I guess if some folks can't defend their ant-Christian groups, they will then turn to what they think are personal attacks (but when it turns out to be wrong, it's just egg on their faces!)

48 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:15 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: bronxville; Alex Murphy
The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.

Or in all likelihood it is a Roman Catholic Monarchist named Nick.

BTW: For the lurkers, what you have just seen is a predictable Catholic attempt to deflect attention elsewhere. Just like Roman Catholics on FR who blame sexually abused children for the abuse they suffered by by priests.

49 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: bronxville
The article was written in 2008 by a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. Can you guarantee who this guy is... for all we know he’s Alec Murphy or yourself.

It's "Alex", and ping me when you talk about me.

50 posted on 05/03/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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