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A Blueprint for a Monarchy in America [How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
The Altar and Throne Monarchy Site ^ | December 19, 2008 | Nick

Posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Cronos
Do not carry arguments from one thread to another, argue on the original thread.

Also do not attribute motives to other Freepers, that is a form of "making it personal."

203 posted on 05/03/2011 10:20:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy
Ah, typical -- making it personal when you can't answer how many of your particular denomination voted democrat? 75%+?

Nope, I didn't give up American citizenship -- I don't have Polish citizenship either as I've lived here only 10 months and have no blood ties to this country. Dual citizenship is allowed after 3-5 years I think, but I haven't even thought about that yet

I vote republican because the Republican Party is the only one that can put some sanity in government. Voting for the Democrats (let's raise taxes) is brain-dead. So, how many of your particular denomination voted democrat? 75%+?

Did you vote Democrat like the majority of your group?

204 posted on 05/03/2011 10:23:01 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Religion Moderator; Alex Murphy
sorry, but I did not carry any argument from one thread to another. Alex posts links to articles. I posted links to articlesas below

This an entire cover-up of religion to keep their group's true agenda of fomenting discord -- just like the Westboro Baptist Club

There are articles like these below designed to make Christianity look like a laughing stock -- and we know this agenda don't we?

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Image of Jesus found!, :

Image of Jesus found!

Image of Jesus appears in Ponderosa

04/11/2011 2:18:27 PM PDT · by Alex Murphy · 7 replies
ConnectTriStates ^ | 3/17/2011 | Sarah Deien
HANNIBAL, MO. — This is not a story of the image of the Virgin Mother on a grilled cheese sandwich or Jesus on a tortilla. Hope you’re not disappointed, but I think this is far better. This is the story of a spiritual journey that transformed a beam into a masterpiece, and the spiritual journey of the amateur artist himself. It takes a big leap of faith to go from carving ducks to chiseling the image of the crucified Jesus. It also takes inspiration. And time. In fact, the idea first stirred in Delbert Hayes’ imagination a dozen years ago...

Image of Jesus Appears at Church [Following ceiling work at Fairmont’s First Presbyterian]

04/11/2011 2:16:02 PM PDT · by marshmallow · 8 replies
West Virginian Times ^ | 4/8/11 | J. Miles Layton
FAIRMONT — Parishioners, the faithful and even curious skeptics can look to the heavens at what appears to be an image of Jesus on the ceiling of one local church. “That’s inspirational because it makes people stop and think,” said Rev. Bill Sadler, First Presbyterian Church of Fairmont. “No matter what, you have to stop and deal with it being here.” The image was mysteriously formed in the plaster high above on the vaulted ceiling of the church’s sanctuary.

Jesus Christ appears on rocking chair

04/11/2011 1:28:52 PM PDT · by Alex Murphy · 31 replies
The Metro UK ^ | February 18, 2011 | Ted Thornhill
Of course, the Saviour’s face has been getting around a fair bit recently. We’ve already availed you of his face’s visit to an MRI scan, to some chicken feathers, Google Maps, a drainpipe, a Marmite lid and a student’s frying pan. Well now it’s the turn of a rocking chair in, appropriately, the City of Angels to host the holy visage. The chair belongs to Lou Balducci, who lives in the Mission Viejo area of Los Angeles, and he was understandably taken aback. ‘When I first saw the image, I didn’t know what to think. As I thought about it,...

Face of Jesus appears on log

04/11/2011 12:06:16 PM PDT · by Alex Murphy · 51 replies
The Metro UK ^ | April 10, 2011 | Ted Thornhill
The log’s owner, Mel Robertson, calls it the ‘holy log’ and says that she keeps it as a ‘lucky charm’. However, she admits that it ‘hasn’t brought any luck yet’, but is hopeful that one day it will. Fingers crossed, Mrs Robertson. The mum of two from Solihull told that the face first appeared back in October 2009, but got clearer and clearer as the months went by. She said: ‘We had some firewood by the fireplace – at first it looked like a skull and crossbones – but as the months wore on, it just appeared around the...

Face of Jesus appears on tea towel

04/11/2011 11:50:57 AM PDT · by Alex Murphy · 15 replies
The Metro UK ^ | April 7, 2011 | Kavi Shah
It’s well known that cleanliness is up there next to Godliness, but Roisin McCourt wasn’t expecting Jesus to pop out of her washing machine load. Dance teacher Ms McCourt was shocked when she saw the unusual brown stain, which shows what seem to be the facial features of a long-haired, bearded man. Ms McCourt, 31, has since been mobbed with requests from believers wishing to make a pilgrimage to see the holy imprint. The Coventry resident said: ‘When I took it out I could not believe it. I could see it was Jesus straightaway. I took it to my husband...

Jesus Statue Set Ablaze in Minn.

04/11/2011 11:30:54 AM PDT · by mandaladon · 36 replies
The Blaze ^ | 11 Apr 2011 | Jonathon M. Seidl
It was a clash of images on Sunday in St. Paul, MN when a local man, Tuan Pham, awoke to see his beloved, custom-made Jesus statue in flames. According to family, someone took wood from a nearby pile and used a spray can to ignite a fire at the base of Pham’s 7-foot ode to Christ. It’s statue that has been controversial from the beginning: It may have burned for awhile; Pham’s daughter took pictures of her father trying to knock down the flames. Fire investigators were going over the garden a few hours later. If they find evidence of...

Surprise as ‘face of Jesus’ appears in Bristol barbecue plot

04/11/2011 10:42:49 AM PDT · by Alex Murphy · 31 replies
This Is Bristol ^ | April 1, 2011
WHEN his next door neighbour called over the fence and told him Jesus had appeared in his back garden faithful church-goer Ron Sims first thought he was joking. But when the pensioner caught a glimpse of the concrete barbecue his friend had knocked down six years before he couldn’t believe his eyes. Mr Sims, 77, of Magpie Bottom Lane in Hanham, said: “When I saw it I just couldn’t believe the likeness. “It’s such a strong image, it’s almost eerie.” The image is formed by the remains of concrete blocks Mr Sims used to build an outdoor barbecue when he...

205 posted on 05/03/2011 10:25:48 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy; Natural Law
NL, The problem is that we have a number of leftists here posing as Christians. The left only writes articles that make Christians look evil (distortions mostly) or that cause Christians to fight.

This group may pretend to be Protestant, which is a joke as Protestants are our Christian brothers, but under this mask, this group of leftists says the following about Christians and Jews (more details on my profile page)


  1. Hatred for Pentecostals and Methodists -- calling them
    1. of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
    2. saying that Methodists and Pentecostals worship the gospel of Satan -- a very serious and false allegation
    3. as damnable heretics
  2. of course we know that their group hates Pentecostals as much as Catholics,and their group believe us to be no different
  3. Against Lutherans -- accusing them of liberalism and not following Martin Luther
  4. Against Adventists - accusing them of being the same as Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses
  5. Against Orthodox, trying to say they don't have charity
  6. Against Christian martyrs in Pakistan -- Shahbaz Bhatti
  7. against Jews - no celebrating with Jewish friends, eh?

206 posted on 05/03/2011 10:27:16 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy; Natural Law
And at the same time, they start fomenting anti-Christian thought and causing inter-Christian arguments saying

The OPC (OrthodoPresbyterian C) and PCA (Presbyterian C in America) attack on America and Christianity
preaching hatred against Pentecostals from the OPC doctrinal website
It will be noted that the Confession sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today.

This is a very serious error. In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.

preaching hatred against Lutherans Accusing all Lutherans LCMS, WELS etc. of preaching in contradiction to Martin Luther and being liberals
preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists: From the opc doctrinal website:
. Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes
. Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes.
. the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ
the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism(Methodism/Pentecostalism); (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan
preaching hatred against Methodists article on how "John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants "
preaching hatred against Judaism Acording to the OPC OrthoPresbyterianC: "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "
preaching hatred and evil against Christians martyred by Moslems in the Middle East The OPC has said that Shahbhaz Bhatti will go to hell as he wasn't OPC
preaching hatred against Adventists The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons

207 posted on 05/03/2011 10:28:20 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy; Natural Law
And of course, these groups are not only aiming at fomenting discord between Christians but also are anti-semitic

This contrasts with the Christian brotherhood with Jews from the catechism

When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God."

The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant.

To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."
Contrast this with the OPC which has from it's creation by Machen in the 30s, been anti-semitic and it's pretense of being Christian wears thin. The OPC as part of its core doctrines states that the OPC believes that God's chosen people today are not the Jews

It's very own doctrines, as I linked to above dictates terms against Jews and Jewish festivals

On the contrary I see the OPC and the PCA folks being stridently, vehemently anti-Israel, such that they have spittle coming out of their mouths most of the time when they mention Israel

Besides this post you have

  1. Jerusalem, the have-not whore
  2. Israel -- where there is a comparison of Biblical Israel to Modern Israel -- and you can guess it's not a pleasant one
  3. All Israel will be Saved, but not all Israel
  4. Jerusalem, Mother of all Harlots
  5. The restoration and conversion of Israel -- this soon descends into a fre for all anti-semitic fest

I'll agree that the overwhelming majority of Christians do not voice these opinions, yet the trend on Freerepublic is for the extreme hate groups like the OPC/PCA (members include such illustrious evictees as rjr_fan, orthodoxkirkpresbyterian, orthodoxpresbyterian,hankkerchief etc all zotted for either anti-semitic, anti-Christian or communist outbursts) to shout out more and more.

I fear that with their increasingly shill statements, they bring FR into disrepute. I'd rather they stayed on their website the stum OPC

209 posted on 05/03/2011 10:30:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Religion Moderator

Oh, ooops, sorry RM, you were right, I did in post 201 link to where Alex had photomorphed Batman’s face on to Christ. I apologize — you were correct to delete that post. Thank you and sorry again

210 posted on 05/03/2011 10:33:26 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I’m trying to figure out what was objectionable in post #202, other than it was embarrassing to certain anti-Catholics.

211 posted on 05/03/2011 10:37:42 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

The reference to handlers and that the poster should do his own homework were mind reading and attributing motive and therefore, making it personal.

212 posted on 05/03/2011 10:48:05 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy
"where are they found on the below chart?"

Some of you are pretty good at cut & regurgitation but obviously critical thinking is beyond the scope of anti-Catholic tutors. Many contend the best learning tool is to do your own homework. It might not be a bad idea in determining how the oft cited percentages of specific demographics contributed in terms of total numbers of votes. Some simple logic may help you along the way.

Determine what percentage of the 68 million Catholics in this country are registered to vote and of that percentage what percentage actually turned out to vote. Of that number 54% voted for Obama. Can you arrive at a number greater than 12 million? (I didn't think so).

Another approach would be to determine what percentage of the total population of the US is Catholic and apply 54% of that percentage to the total number of votes cast for Obama. Now can you arrive at a number greater than 12 million? (I didn't think so).

Now how did the rest of the population vote...........go ask someone who cares.

213 posted on 05/03/2011 10:55:06 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Religion Moderator
"The reference to handlers and that the poster should do his own homework were mind reading and attributing motive and therefore, making it personal."

That is really a stretch, but I get it. wink, wink.

214 posted on 05/03/2011 10:57:02 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: bronxville
I don’t see where you need anyone to approve - your obsession began in your first or second post. How many threads did you start on Protestant Pedophilia this year?

Dunno. 5-7.

But there are far fewer reported daily than from the Catholic religion, so there is not as much material.

Try it yourself and see. Google "priest" and on any given day there are 2-5 hits on the first page of Google News. Type minister/pastor and om most days you have to go to the 4rd or 4th page.

215 posted on 05/04/2011 4:09:15 AM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
a similar point was made in a book entitled Democracy: The God that Failed. The point being that a permanent governing class has an incentive to preserve the country and hand it over to the next generation

H.H. Hoppe, a libertarian, grasped one, most materialistic reason for monarchy. The other reason is the role of a monarch as an embodiment of the national idea. For example, a monarch may see a national goal in fostering local government and democratic self-government, -- things that America understands and longs for intuitively, but contradict the selfish instinct of anyone in the actual business of governing. That is to say, while the governemnt -- feudal or democratic -- is in the business of governing, the monarch is in the business of recognizing and further shaping the national identity. Even the degenerate monarchies of today, such as the House of Windsor, work as a surrogate national parent. Note how the personal developments in the British monarchy come to matter something rather intangible but at the same time something very important to all Britons. American presidents fill a similar role out of necessity: Reagan morning the Challenger or egging on Gorbachev in Berlin, Clinton in Oklahoma City, W. Bush on the rubble of 9/11, -- but they are not well suited for it, because every time there is a 40% or more who listen to that and say "damn, that improves the bastard's ratings".

When American presidential candidate says "I want to be a president for all Americans" -- and they all do -- he is speaking nonsense. I am an American: I don't want to be for 4 years trying to move myself as far left as I can and in another 4 years moving myself as far right as I can, but these are the rational political goals of a President. Of course, the candidate does not mean that; what he means is "I want to be a king of America". But the truth is, he cannot be a king, that is why in 2 years he is back on the tube selling us more of his government at our expense. One cannot be a father figure one day and hustling an election the next.

216 posted on 05/04/2011 5:49:32 AM PDT by annalex (
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To: annalex; wideawake
Re your post 216:

Of course what you say makes a lot of sense. As you know, the Presidency as originally conceived by the Founders was not what has developed. He was to have been a quasi-monarch, chosen every four years by a select group of non-partisan electors whose only concern was what was best for the country. The person chosen (theoretically without his knowledge) would then be asked if he accepted the office. It sounds like Alexander Hamilton, whom some conservatives consider the father of the "eastern liberal establishment" and "the money power," wasn't so far off after all!

However, there are also elements of your answer that I find troubling and indicative generally of the weaknesses of "palaeoconservatism" (please forgive my use of the term, as I am not sure it applies to you at all). The idea of a slowly developing, "organic" worldview seems to me tainted with henotheism, relativism, and utilitarianism. It implies that there is a different (and equally valid) "truth" for each people. The idea of a slow development through trial and error is also highly utilitarian (as well as organic). As a Biblical Fundamentalist I believe that there is One G-d and One Truth for the entire universe. The particular characteristics of all the various nations are fine of course, provided they acknowledge and submit to this One Truth. I also believe that G-d has provided the human race (in the Noachide Laws) THE laws for living, and no long, organic, trial-and-error development is necessary. Perhaps this is where some "palaeos" see the Jews as the ultimate source of the left's "rationalist blueprints" for human life; for what is the Torah if not G-d's own "rationalist blueprint?"

It is most strange that so many conservatives castigate the idea of a "one world religion," when all orthodox believers (at least in the "western" tradition) who believe their religion is the true one ipso facto believe in a "one world religion" (theirs, of course). I sometimes wonder if the hoo-haw over "one world religion" doesn't have roots in henotheism. Don't get me wrong, though. I am adamantly opposed to any "one world religion" other than the True one.

Pinging wideawake for his interest.

217 posted on 05/04/2011 9:01:40 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; wideawake

The notion of progressive discovery of the truth is not at all foreign to the Christian mindset; it meshes in very well with the concept of theosis as a gradual process. Nor should it be completely foreign to the Jewish worldview as the Old Testament narrative keeps reminding us of the winding nature of the Jewish path from revelation to apostasy, sorrow, and correction. But be it as it may with Judaism, of which I claim no expertise, it surely has nothing to do with moral relativism. It is simply historicism: the realization that a nation (being comprised of fallible humans) goes through a certain work in the historical context toward its divinely-appointed goal. It is not able to skip ahead; it has to live out its travails, just like an individual does. It also may fail altogether, bot for the fault of God but due to its fallible nature.

218 posted on 05/04/2011 5:35:17 PM PDT by annalex (
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