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A Blueprint for a Monarchy in America [How Two Catholic Monarchists view the rest of us Americans]
The Altar and Throne Monarchy Site ^ | December 19, 2008 | Nick

Posted on 05/03/2011 12:17:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"There are several admitted Roman Catholic Monarchists on Free Republic"

"There are?"

Well, one thing we know as Christians, Heaven is surely a monarchy.

Though I'm not pretending to know the mind of God,, it does follow that if Jesus Christ was King of the Jews, King of Kings, and King of Heaven and Earth, and He made man in His own image and likeness, it wouldn't really be surprising if He intended earthly nations to be monarchies ruled over by beneficent Kings. Just a thought.

51 posted on 05/03/2011 2:32:02 PM PDT by jiminycricket000 (t)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Who exactly on this forum is a Catholic Monarchist? Please list screen names.

I'll do you one better, I'll give you the links:

Here and here.

53 posted on 05/03/2011 2:35:49 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Celtic Cross; Religion Moderator
Aren't YOU making it personal?

Thank you for that, CC -- RM, you have gone against the forum rules by making this personal. Besides, as I've stated above, any freeper who's been here since before July last year would have seen this flag

I don't live there any more (strange, I told most folks un June that I was moving to the wife's land) and didn't live there for much of the last decade (during the early part of the last decade they'd have seen the Union Jack, but surprisingly no such personal comments then.... but then it was only Catholic-Orthodox debates)

54 posted on 05/03/2011 2:36:57 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy
As a fan of Roman History this seems to be a handy description of most of the officials in the later Roman Empire in the late fourth century AD, with enough changes as to be not useful as an accurate account of the Imperial Constitution of that period. Other than that I do not see its relevance to anything. Perhaps you can next post a thread about changes in insect life in Australia in the first millennium AD.
55 posted on 05/03/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: jiminycricket000
it wouldn't really be surprising if He intended earthly nations to be monarchies ruled over by beneficent Kings. Just a thought.

And you support that notion? That we should have a king?

56 posted on 05/03/2011 2:38:01 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: OpusatFR

You are right, as usual, OpusatFR. There is only one King that matters. And I will follow Him, always.

Blessed be Jesus Christ, true God and True Man.
Benedictus Iesus Christus, verus Deus et verus homo.


57 posted on 05/03/2011 2:40:50 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Brian Kopp

There was a dude, can’t remember the screenname, that was kicked off the forum for spouting Romanist Monarchy crap.


58 posted on 05/03/2011 2:41:37 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Alex Murphy
Other than that I do not see its relevance to anything.

Other than the fact that there are Roman Catholics out there, and here on FR, that support this notion, you are absolutely right. < /sarc>

59 posted on 05/03/2011 2:43:28 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Natural Law; stfassisi; Gamecock
Natural Law, stfassisi

Gamecock just stated that you are Catholic Monarchists, and by implication that you are in agreement with the author of the article in this thread.

Of course, he should have pinged you if he wanted to make such an assertion.

Personally, I think any Catholic would prefer that type of government most likely to promote Jesus Christ as King and the moral and ethical teachings of the Church Christ founded. If that is best accomplished by a republic or a democracy, so be it. If it is best served by a monarchy, so be it.

That does not make me (or Natural Law or stfassisi) a Catholic Monarchist, and to claim otherwise is a blatant untruth.

60 posted on 05/03/2011 2:43:52 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Gamecock; Dr. Brian Kopp; Natural Law; stfassisi

Natural Law and stfassisi, you may want to check out post 53.

It looks like you’re being identified as monarchists.


61 posted on 05/03/2011 2:43:52 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: stfassisi; Natural Law

Courtesy Ping!


62 posted on 05/03/2011 2:44:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: OpusatFR; sayuncledave
You are DARN right that I, a Catholic, am a monarchist.

There is only ONE KING - Hail, Christ the King!

Well, when you put it that way, I guess I'm a "monarchist" too ;-)

I look forward to that day when The Lord God, King of the Universe reigns.

Dittos.

63 posted on 05/03/2011 2:46:55 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience; Gamecock; Dr. Brian Kopp
There was a dude, can’t remember the screenname, that was kicked off the forum for spouting Romanist Monarchy crap.

"Maybe now folks will finally realize that "traditional American conservatism" as it has been known is neither traditional nor conservative. It is a farce and a fraud — good old-fashioned Jean Jacques Rousseau liberalism wrapped in a red-white-and-blue bathrobe. Maybe now they will begin to see that the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and Wall Street are part of the same monstrous history-spanning project that brought us the French Revolution, the Soviet Union, and two World Wars. Perhaps now they will come to see that real capital-C Conservatism has nothing to do with individual Liberty and everything to do with individual Duty, and that real Conservatism is not and cannot be divorced from the Christian religion and the historic Christian culture of the West prior to the so-called "Enlightenment".

We Catholics need do nothing but watch and pray. The house of cards John Locke and his contemporaries have built is about to come down upon its own foundation of sand. And after the crash comes, those of us who survive can once again take up the task given us by God after the last pagan empire fell: the construction of civilization based not upon Libery, Equality, and Fraternity, but upon Tradition, Family, and Property. In place of the fallen gods of atheistic Reason and individualist Liberty we will re-erect the twin pillars of Altar and Throne.

Thank you so much for posting this. Vive le Roi! Viva Cristo Rey!"

-- banned Catholic Monarchist FReeper B-Chan,
on the August 2010 thread Catholic Government [Michael Voris video]

(i.e. the thread/video advocating a "Benevolent Catholic Dictatorship" for America)


64 posted on 05/03/2011 2:47:01 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Gamecock; bronxville
Just like Roman Catholics on FR who blame sexually abused children for the abuse they suffered by by priests.

There are no Catholics here who blame sexually abused children for their abuse. However, there really are a certain few posters here that seem to take a certain joy in the scandals.

65 posted on 05/03/2011 2:47:20 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Gamecock

‘Other than the fact that there are Roman Catholics out there, and here on FR, that support this notion, you are absolutely right. < /sarc>’

I am sure that there are some members of your denomination, if it is large enough, who are serial murderers. So what.


66 posted on 05/03/2011 2:48:10 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Campion

But Campion there are two of them. Two. Obviously their plot will soon make inroads into the farthest reaches of government, academia and religious sects.

Thank the Lord that Murphy is so vigilant. Think of what would happen if Kings were to rule over us. The corruption. The favortism. The appeal to foreign powers. The use of mass media to lull the senses of the populace. The unjust and arbritary taxation for political favor. Why a King could very well demand lands be seized on a whim. That farmlands be flooded to please subjects most loyal to him.

In truth I don’t favor a monarchy but the idea of displacing a bad ruler by means of the axe’s blade is a tempting one these days.


67 posted on 05/03/2011 2:48:42 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: the_conscience
I think that was OrthodoxPresbyterian.

Or was it RJR_fan? Or wait, weren't they tossed out for being anti-semitic?

68 posted on 05/03/2011 2:49:17 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Religion Moderator

As is stupidity.


69 posted on 05/03/2011 2:50:37 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: WPaCon; Dr. Brian Kopp; Natural Law; stfassisi; Gamecock
It looks like you’re being identified as monarchists.

But that would be a personal attack by Gamecock on NL and stf -- isn't that against Forum rules?

Besides, is it really wrong that we Christians think that Christ is King of all creation?

I don't really care if Gamecock disagrees with that

70 posted on 05/03/2011 2:51:28 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy

Yeah, that was him!


71 posted on 05/03/2011 2:51:53 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: WPaCon; Alex Murphy
There are no Catholics here who blame sexually abused children for their abuse.

Alex, do you have the link in you archives?

72 posted on 05/03/2011 2:52:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Was that post the reason for B-Chan’s zotting, or was he kicked off for posting something else?


73 posted on 05/03/2011 2:52:31 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Celtic Cross

Give me the Divine Right of Kings or don’t give me Kings at all. In for a penny in for a pound.


74 posted on 05/03/2011 2:52:31 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

“Or in all likelihood it is a Roman Catholic Monarchist named Nick.”

You must really have a low opinion of the posters here and also any lurkers with half a brain.


“Where is the Outrage? (protestant pedophiles)

Welcome to a collection of news reports on ministers who have sexually abused children:

ALL Protestant denominations - 838 Ministers

147 Baptist Ministers

251 “Bible” Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)

140 Anglican/Episcopalian Ministers

38 Lutheran Ministers

46 Methodist Ministers

19 Presbyterian Ministers

197 various Church Ministers

*** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is available here without profit to people who want to read it for research and educational purposes. If you quote from this, please check (if possible) and acknowledge the ORIGINAL source. *** This service is provided by volunteers for non-profit.
http://www.reformation.com/

Baptist Hide and Seek

[...]Remember: Most clergy child molesters have never been convicted of anything. Of all the Catholic priests who have been removed from ministry, only 3 percent were able to be criminally prosecuted and only 2 percent were ever jailed. If Catholics themselves had not taken action - finally - over 700 child molesting priests would still be working in ministry. The largest Protestant denomination needs to do something about this problem as well.[...]
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/BaptistHideSeek.html

Lots more at link (and even more not posted -
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2714358%2C7

As anyone can see there’s absolutely no need for any Catholic to deflect from a blogger who calls himself “Nick”. This tread-starter posts from an off the wall blogger who calls himself Nick and we’re all supposed to debate it like he’s a serious writer? heh

PS: The secular media (especially their bosses) are after the Catholic Church because they know if we fall the rest of you are going down like a house of cards. The vast majority of Protestants know this and then there are those who as thick as planks. Because the media are leaving you alone, for now, don’t think you’re off the hook.


75 posted on 05/03/2011 2:53:50 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Gamecock
And you support that notion? That we should have a king?

If that was what it would take to return this country to its Christian roots, why would any Christian oppose it?

I'm not saying that is the case, but what's so bad about a truly Christian monarchy compared to the anti-Christian anarchy running this country at present?

76 posted on 05/03/2011 2:55:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: WPaCon; Alex Murphy

As I recall he had a thread he started that was his magnus opus on the subject that lead to his removal.


77 posted on 05/03/2011 2:57:18 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Alex Murphy

What a load of crap.


78 posted on 05/03/2011 2:58:51 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: the_conscience; Alex Murphy

Thanks. The quote that Alex often pulls up seems zot worthy, but, of all the zots I’ve seen here, Jim usually announces it on the thread. However, there is nothing to indicate that he was zotted on the thread with that quote.


79 posted on 05/03/2011 2:59:32 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Natural Law; stfassisi; Dr. Brian Kopp

My apologies for not pinging you when I mentioned your name. That was very remiss of me.

And now I believe Gamecock owes an apology to Natural law and stfassisi.


80 posted on 05/03/2011 3:02:14 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Gamecock

“Just like Roman Catholics on FR who blame sexually abused children for the abuse they suffered by by priests.”

Name one Catholic on this forum who has ever done that. One. You are allowed to post calumny after calumny without being called on it because of the favortism shown to your heretical sect of reprobates. But now you have offered as fact something that you can not prove. That in any other setting could be called a lie. Yet no one may say so here.

So I wil ask the moderator when can we say somebody is defaming and libeling others on this forum. At what point do foul accusations get pulled because they are without proof and posted only to spread hatred and bigotry?

Is there no devotion to truth anymore? Are lies to be given free rein because the rules forbid us from saying they are lies? What do you call someone who knowingly posts lie after lie? I know liar is not allowed. That would be personal.

But claiming that Catholics blame sexually abused children for their abuse is o.k. That is not personal.

What a joke.


81 posted on 05/03/2011 3:05:08 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: the_conscience

You should probably stop while you are ahead. I take your insult to be a personal one as my grandson is part Polish.


82 posted on 05/03/2011 3:06:37 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: sayuncledave

“There is only one King that matters. And I will follow Him, always.”

Amen


83 posted on 05/03/2011 3:08:52 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Alex Murphy
-- banned Catholic Monarchist FReeper B-Chan

Too bad, I always liked B-chan. He was the artist who created the YOPIOS graphic.

Maybe now folks will finally realize that "traditional American conservatism" as it has been known is neither traditional nor conservative. It is a farce and a fraud — good old-fashioned Jean Jacques Rousseau liberalism wrapped in a red-white-and-blue bathrobe. Maybe now they will begin to see that the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and Wall Street are part of the same monstrous history-spanning project that brought us the French Revolution, the Soviet Union, and two World Wars.

Yeah, that was a bit over the top. Worthy of being banned for it? That's certainly debatable.

Perhaps now they will come to see that real capital-C Conservatism has nothing to do with individual Liberty [i.e., licentiousness] and everything to do with individual Duty, and that real Conservatism is not and cannot be divorced from the Christian religion and the historic Christian culture of the West prior to the so-called "Enlightenment".

That's basic Christian reality, with which I must agree as a Christian conservative.

We Catholics need do nothing but watch and pray. The house of cards John Locke and his contemporaries have built is about to come down upon its own foundation of sand. And after the crash comes, those of us who survive can once again take up the task given us by God after the last pagan empire fell: the construction of civilization based not upon Libery, Equality, and Fraternity, but upon Tradition, Family, and Property. In place of the fallen gods of atheistic Reason and individualist Liberty we will re-erect the twin pillars of Altar and Throne.

The only thing offensive here is the last word, and its only offensive to those with a knee jerk antipathy to the idea of monarchy, even if that is the only way to restore Christendom.

Otherwise, its a good statement with which I agree as a Christian conservative, even though I am not a monarchist and don't necessarily agree with that one last word.

84 posted on 05/03/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
We've seen what happens when Catholics run a country:

here and here.

85 posted on 05/03/2011 3:10:19 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: WPaCon; Alex Murphy

I think that post was pretty typical but then he decided he would post his own thread in the news section and got pounded pretty good and finally banned.


86 posted on 05/03/2011 3:10:19 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: All

Where is the Outrage? (protestant pedophiles)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2709296/posts

Apologies. This is the correct link.


87 posted on 05/03/2011 3:13:46 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: WPaCon
I just happened to notice this article wasn't swamped by comments from those who are regularly so anxious to comment about child abuse on the religion forum. Interesting, isn't it?

El Cajon preschool worker arraigned on child porn charge

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2714062/posts

88 posted on 05/03/2011 3:14:36 PM PDT by Rashputin (Barry is insane., so handlers keep him medicated and on the golf course.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Gamecock; Natural Law
Personally, I think any Catholic would prefer that type of government most likely to promote Jesus Christ as King and the moral and ethical teachings of the Church Christ founded. If that is best accomplished by a republic or a democracy, so be it. If it is best served by a monarchy, so be it.

That does not make me (or Natural Law or stfassisi) a Catholic Monarchist, and to claim otherwise is a blatant untruth.

Correct,dear brother.

I would prefer a Catholic Monarchy,but we don't have one here, and we are to far down the wrong path for things to change.

The next closest thing would be a Christian Democracy as the late great Pope Leo XIII wrote(I posted on different thread) Sadly ,we don't have that either,we are closer to social democracy

Here is what Pope Leo XIII wrote...

GRAVES DE COMMUNI RE ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON CHRISTIAN DEMOCRACY http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18011901_graves-de-communi-re_en.html

Here are a few excerpts...

Excerpt#1... ""Christian Democracy, by the fact that it is Christian, is built, and necessarily so, on the basic principles of divine faith, and it must provide better conditions for the masses, with the ulterior object of promoting the perfection of souls made for things eternal. Hence, for Christian Democracy, justice is sacred; it must maintain that the right of acquiring and possessing property cannot be impugned, and it must safeguard the various distinctions and degrees which are indispensable in every well-ordered commonwealth. Finally, it must endeavor to preserve in every human society the form and the character which God ever impresses on it. It is clear, therefore, that there in nothing in common between Social and Christian Democracy. They differ from each other as much as the sect of socialism differs from the profession of Christianity.

Moreover, it would be a crime to distort this name of Christian Democracy to politics, for, although democracy, both in its philological and philosophical significations, implies popular government, yet in its present application it must be employed without any political significance, so as to mean nothing else than this beneficent Christian action in behalf of the people. For, the laws of nature and of the Gospel, which by right are superior to all human contingencies, are necessarily independent of all particular forms of civil government, while at the same time they are in harmony with everything that is not repugnant to morality and justice. They are, therefore, and they must remain absolutely free from the passions and the vicissitudes of parties, so that, under whatever political constitution, the citizens may and ought to abide by those laws which command them to love God above all things, and their neighbors as themselves. This has always been the policy of the Church.

Excerpt#2.. ""Nor are we to eliminate from the list of good works the giving of money for charity, in pursuance of what Christ has said: “But yet that which remaineth, give alms.”(13) Against this, the socialist cries out and demands its abolition as injurious to the native dignity of man. But, if it is done in the manner which the Scripture enjoins,(14) and in conformity with the true Christian spirit, it neither connotes pride in the giver nor inflicts shame upon the one who receives. Far from being dishonorable for man, it draws closer the bonds of human society of augmenting the force of the obligation of the duties which men are under with regard to each other. No one is so rich that he does not need another’s help; no one so poor as not to be useful in some way to his fellow man; and the disposition to ask assistance from others with confidence and to grant it with kindness is part of our very nature. Thus, justice and charity are so linked with each other, under the equable and sweet law of Christ, as to form an admirable cohesive power in human society and to lead all of its members to exercise a sort of providence in looking after their own and in seeking the common good as well.

17. As regards not merely the temporary aid given to the laboring classes, but the establishment of permanent institutions in their behalf, it is most commendable for charity to undertake them. It will thus see that more certain and more reliable means of assistance will be afforded to the necessitous. That kind of help is especially worthy of recognition which forms the minds of mechanics and laborers to thrift and foresight, so that in course of time they may be able, in part at least, to look out for themselves. To aim at that is not only to dignify the duty of the rich toward the poor, but to elevate the poor themselves, for, while it urges them to work in order to improve their condition, it preserves them meantime from danger, it refrains immoderation in their desires, and acts as a spur in the practice of virtue. Since, therefore, this is of such great avail and so much in keeping with the spirit of the times, it is a worthy object for the charity of righteous men to undertake with prudence and zeal.

18. Let it be understood, therefore, that this devotion of Catholics to comfort and elevate the mass of the people is in keeping with the spirit of the Church and is most conformable to the examples which the Church has always held up for imitation. It matters very little whether it goes under the name of the Popular Christian Movement or Christian Democracy, if the instructions that have been given by Us be fully carried out with fitting obedience. But it is of the greatest importance that Catholics should be one in mind, will, and action in a matter of such great moment. And it is also of importance that the influence of these undertakings should be extended by the multiplication of men and means devoted to the same object.""

We are living in times where only prayer and fasting can help us all.

Lord Jesus Christ Son OF God Have Mercy on us all,sinners!

89 posted on 05/03/2011 3:15:33 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: lastchance
I take your insult to be a personal one as my grandson is part Polish.

The Origin of the “Polish Joke”

Polish “jokes” came from Nazi German propaganda that was then pushed ironically by Soviet communist sympathizers in Hollywood.

The racist stereotype that Poles are intellectually inferior or have subhuman intelligence, originated from Nazi German propaganda and Soviet propaganda.

For example, the myth that Polish horses were used to attack German tanks in World War II was total Nazi German propaganda that the Nazi Germans repeated over and over until it took a life of its own using the “Big Lie” technique. (Click on link for more on the Nazi propaganda on Polish Calvary attacks). The Big Lie is defined as "the intentional distortion of the truth, especially for political or official purposes." This tactic of trying to deceive a country's citizens was written about by Adolph Hitler. ["The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one." Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10, 1925].

The Soviet Communists saw the value of this myth and the racist notion that Polish people have subhuman intelligence, so they had their Left-Wing sympathizers in Hollywood push it to the American public using Anti-Polish Television and Movie imagery.

The image of Polish people having subhuman intelligence was useful to the Soviet Communists too, since then, people would not mind too much if Poland is occupied by the Soviet Union if Poles are portrayed as having a Slavic culture that is inferior and less then human.

Nazi German Hatred of Polish People

As for the German Nazis (and even the Soviets) they killed off the educated class of Poland first to make their racist stereotype of “Poland having inferior intelligence” a reality. The Nazi Germans also felt “Poles only had the intelligence for Nazi slave labor”.

Polish "jokes" were in Hitler's two speeches after he invaded Poland.

Hitler ridiculed Poles in his Sept. 19, 1939 speech in Danzig (today called Gdansk) and in his Berlin speech in Oct. 6, 1939 with these hate-through-humor anti-Polish “jokes” and references.

Nazi Anti-Polish propaganda/Polish “jokes” in Nazi Death Camps

Michael Preisler who was a Polish-Catholic survivor of the German Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz (Auschwitz prisoner #22213), has stated on many occasions how the Nazis ridiculed the Polish people as having less then human intelligence. Polish jokes were quite popular among Nazi guards in the parts of the Nazi death camps where there were Polish Catholic prisoners being tortured and killed.

Ironically, Left-wing Hollywood and the TV Networks (like NBC-TV) pushed these racist Polish “jokes” even though Hollywood claimed to hate Nazis. Hollywood and NBC-TV evidently hate Nazi propaganda but not when its applied to Poles. Hollywood and Network-TV (NBC) have a deep hatred for Anti-communist, Pro-American, Pro-Catholic Poland. The Polish American Guardian Society has documented NBC-TV’s attacks on Poland with racist Polish “jokes”.

The recent movie “Katyn” shows the German Nazis and Soviets killing the educated Polish class in Poland in order to make Poland “intellectually inferior” and easier to rule. This was during the time Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were Allies, and were collaborating with each other to destroy Poland as per their Molotov-Ribbentrop pact to destroy Poland together.

Although there were degrading jokes about all ethnic groups in the United States due to assimilation problems when they arrived, the jokes that portray Poles as having subhuman intelligence, did not predate the 20th Century in America, since it was introduced by left-wing bigots in Hollywood and TV networks like NBC-TV in the late 1960s and 1970s.

Many Polish Americans who lived before this time have reported that they never heard these racist subhuman intelligence jokes about Poles, until after they were introduced by Left-Wing networks like NBC-TV in conjunction with Hollywood. NBC-TV launched Polish-bashing shows such as “Laugh In” which ridiculed Polish people constantly. Polish Americans felt the producer of “Laugh In,” George Schlatter, was an Anti-Polish bigot. In addition late night bigots were encouraged to bash Poles with “jokes” that portrayed the Polish people as having subhuman intelligence. Therefore the power of Television and motion pictures was used to demean and dehumanize Polish people with repetitive Big Lie type propaganda.

Anti-Polish movies such as “The End” were some of the earliest movies meant to degrade Poles with racist humor. In addition other anti-Polish shows such as “All in the Family” were used to degrade the Polish people even though the left-wing producer claimed the ruse that the show was suppose to be “against bigotry”. “All in the family” was filled with racist anti-Polish sound bites such as “Dumb Polak” in an attempt to influence its viewers to have the same anti-Polish prejudice, that the Left-wing producer of the show (Norman Lear) had.

So basically, Polish “jokes” were part of a Hollywood/TV media hate campaign against Polish people.

90 posted on 05/03/2011 3:16:15 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: bronxville

I’m outraged.
They should have their private parts cut off, a millstone tied around their necks and tossed into the ocean.


91 posted on 05/03/2011 3:17:37 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

‘We’ve seen what happens when Catholics run a country:’

And in the 1930’s in Germany we saw what happens when Protestants run a country.


92 posted on 05/03/2011 3:20:22 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; stfassisi; Gamecock
"Gamecock just stated that you are Catholic Monarchists, and by implication that you are in agreement with the author of the article in this thread."

There are people who post regularly that I expect neither intelligent content nor common courtesy. Gamecock is among them.

Some people are too damned stupid to critically assess the content of my posts to see that I am a Catholic Monarchist only to the extent that I would prefer it to an absolute democracy.

It is amusing to watch some of the less gifted trip all over themselves and their denominations in an attempt to score a hit on the Church. Some of the same fools that routinely glorify the "Enlightened Absolutism" that was the hell hole of Calvin's Geneva are the first to condemn the same governmental construct if the word "Catholic" is associated with it.

93 posted on 05/03/2011 3:20:49 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks for the info. One of my heroines is Marya Salomee Sklodowska. I so admire her accomplishments and her contribution to science and medicine.

I imagine the one who posted the anti Polish jibes would only know her by her married name. Madame Mari Curie.


94 posted on 05/03/2011 3:24:39 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: the_conscience

Ok


95 posted on 05/03/2011 3:24:46 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
And in the 1930’s in Germany we saw what happens when Protestants run a country.

Read your history. Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

96 posted on 05/03/2011 3:25:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (I didn't reach the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian.)
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To: Gamecock

That’s a mighty small brush, given two thousand years. Shall we balance that out? I think it is probably safe to say that, in two thousand years, there have been a fair percentage of decently-run countries, where the official/majority religion was Catholicism. That doesn’t mean you have to like it. Really, though, painting two thousand years of history with only two countries?


97 posted on 05/03/2011 3:30:25 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Gamecock
"I’m outraged."

But not outraged enough to push back from your keyboard and actually do something about it.

While we are at it, what have you done, personally, to stop the modern holocaust of abortion, I mean besides spending countless hours wrongly attacking the biggest defender of life in the world?

98 posted on 05/03/2011 3:30:50 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Gamecock

Feel free to show that irrefutable proof, now. ;)


99 posted on 05/03/2011 3:31:19 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Gamecock

‘Hitler was a Roman Catholic.’

Hitler was a lapsed Catholic. The German government had been run by Protestants since Bismark’s ‘Kulterkampf’ in the 19th century, when Catholicism was thoroughly suppressed, in part to ensure that the largest German state, Catholic Austria, was kept out of the German Empire.


100 posted on 05/03/2011 3:31:24 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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