Posted on 05/09/2011 9:46:44 AM PDT by Cronos
WHEN did these come into being? They are above all "When." But, if I am to speak with something more of boldness,--when the Father did. And when did the Father come into being. There never was a time when He was not. And the same thing is true of the Son and the Holy Ghost. Ask me again, and again I will answer you, When was the Son begotten? When the Father was not begotten. And when did the Holy Ghost proceed? When the Son was, not proceeding but, begotten--beyond the sphere of time, and above the grasp of reason; although we cannot set forth that which is above time, if we avoid as we desire any expression which conveys the idea of time (Theological Orations III.3).
TO us there is One God, for the Godhead is One, and all that proceedeth from Him is referred to One, though we believe in Three Persons. For one is not more and another less God; nor is One before and another after; nor are They divided in will or parted in power; nor can you find here any of the qualities of divisible things; but the Godhead is, to speak concisely, undivided in separate Persons; and there is one mingling of Light, as it were of three suns joined to each other. When then we look at the Godhead, or the First Cause, or the Monarchia, that which we conceive is One; but when we look at the Persons in Whom the Godhead dwells, and at Those Who timelessly and with equal glory have their Being [in] the First Cause--there are Three Whom we worship (Theological Orations V.14).
THIS, then, is my position with regard to these things, and I hope it may be always my position, and that of whosoever is dear to me; to worship God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, Three Persons, One Godhead, undivided in honour and glory and substance and kingdom (Theological Orations V.28).
Bailee and I were not denying Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, I wasn’t anyway, can’t speak for him. I was arguing against Gregory’s terminology of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three “persons,” three people, three men.
Let me quote what I said.
“I didn’t say Christianity was a lie. They base most of their beliefs on Torah truths directly or indirectly but there are some pagan beliefs and practices that still linger.”
If you look at Rabbi Joshua (aka Jesus) and Judaism you will find it has never given any quarter to the belief in a trinity whether of Babylonian origins or the modern day Christian equivalent. God has always been a unique, single, non-corporeal being and will be so for the rest of eternity.
Jews have always professed and practiced living by the words of the Torah which say, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” Jews have kept those words even to their deaths when others have disagreed how many gods there might be.
All I ask you to do is find out the pagan origins of Christianity. Where in the Christian’s New Testament that it says to go and celebrate Easter? Do you know the origins of Easter? You can get angry all you want but I don’t desire that for you. All I’m asking you to do is challenge what you have been taught.
Let me quote what I said.
“I didn’t say Christianity was a lie. They base most of their beliefs on Torah truths directly or indirectly but there are some pagan beliefs and practices that still linger.”
If you look at Rabbi Joshua (aka Jesus) and Judaism you will find it has never given any quarter to the belief in a trinity whether of Babylonian origins or the modern day Christian equivalent. God has always been a unique, single, non-corporeal being and will be so for the rest of eternity.
Jews have always professed and practiced living by the words of the Torah which say, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” Jews have kept those words even to their deaths when others have disagreed how many gods there might be.
All I ask you to do is find out the pagan origins of Christianity. Where in the Christian’s New Testament that it says to go and celebrate Easter? Do you know the origins of Easter? You can get angry all you want but I don’t desire that for you. All I’m asking you to do is challenge what you have been taught.
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Freegards
For example, you state:
If you look at Rabbi Joshua (aka Jesus) and Judaism you will find it has never given any quarter to the belief in a trinity whether of Babylonian origins or the modern day Christian equivalent.
What you claim here is refuted by direct quotation from Jesus Christ Himself as recorded in The Gospel According to Matthew.
Matthew 28:16-20 (New International Version)
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
You imply that you are a Jew but I do not believe that it is within Jewish tradition to promote Judaism with lies. I believe that the motivation for your corruption comes from somewhere other than the God of the Torah.
Depends on who you think wrote the Christian New Testament.
Show me the Trinity in the Torah. Moses was a messiah figure but he never considered himself part of a trinity and never taught it.
Again, Jews have always professed, based upon the words of God Himself, that He is One and only One. There can no one co-equal with Him.
He is indivisible and can not be split in to two or more parts.
He is infinite, not finite like the rabbi you follow.
Even if a man can overcome death through the ascension process does not make a man a god or God.
He is unique and no one else like Him.
Many people past and present are not able to a fathom a God who is non-corporeal.
When I pray I don’t have to go through a middle man to have God hear my prayers. I don’t have to go through Moses, Mary, the Prophets, or the Christian pantheon of saints. It’s straight and direct.
It’s your choice to believe what you want but, Again, all I ask is that you look up the info yourself.
You keep changing the subject and refusing to acknowledge that your words have been shown to be lies.
You pretend to be thoughtful and well-informed and urge me to educate myself, yet it is you who have argued disingenuously and I who have replied with rationality and fact.
Perhaps you are accustomed to your tactics being more “successful” with others but with me it is “no sale”.
I have no idea what you hope to achieve by disgracing yourself as you have but certainly you are not honoring God thus.
Do you accept that there is a trinity because some one told you there is such? Do you blindly believe everything you read?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
If someone is arguing dishonestly it is against forum rules to point this out?
Are we really obliged to pretend that there is no difference between logic and illogic, between truth and lies?
Hurl all of the mindless insults you want, Jack, it will not make your posts seem more rational of honest.
But you must not read his mind, attribute motive to him or otherwise make this the thread "about" him personally.
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question — then what do you believe? That Jesus Christ was just a teacher? That the Pauline epistles etc. are wrong? I assume you hold to Noahcide principles, correct?
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