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Pastor Uses Jesus' Parable To Defend Abortion
National Catholic Register ^ | 4-9-11 | Matt Archbold

Posted on 05/09/2011 1:29:23 PM PDT by marcbold

We’ve all heard Christians argue that while their religion might say abortion is wrong, they can’t force their religion on others. That’s the out they give themselves. But Reverend Matthew Westfox of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice goes one step further by actually twisting one of Jesus’ parables into a pro-abortion defense. He did so in an article on his reflections on Easter.

Westfox wrote:

A pro-life stance cannot concern itself only with the life of the woman. In the parable of the sower, Jesus reminds us that seed alone does not bring about new life — that all aspects of the conditions into which the seed are cast must be suitable to sustain life. If there is not enough light or too many weeds or other circumstances that make the ground unfit, the seed will not grow. The story reminds us that respecting and honoring life means doing all we can to create the conditions that will allow life to flourish — while at the same time respecting and accepting that some conditions are not suitable to sustaining life. We do no service by trying to force life into places where the ground is not right.

Similarly, living out a pro-life theology means ensuring that those who want to create new life or parent a child never feel they cannot because the ground they stand upon is not suitable. It also means that no one should ever be coerced into bringing new life into a situation they do not believe is ready to sustain it. A truly pro-life theology means working for health care, employment, and other factors so that no one ever feels he or she cannot be a parent because the conditions aren’t suitable and...

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abortion; jesus; marxisttripe; matthewwestfox; moralabsolutes; prolife; religiousleft; reverend; westfox
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1 posted on 05/09/2011 1:29:27 PM PDT by marcbold
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To: marcbold
We do no service by trying to force life into places where the ground is not right.

What an idiotic analogy. How is not killing your own young "forcing life"?
2 posted on 05/09/2011 1:32:37 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: marcbold

The guy looks like a flaming gay boy to me.


3 posted on 05/09/2011 1:33:18 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: wideawake

Amazing.


4 posted on 05/09/2011 1:35:01 PM PDT by Borges
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To: samtheman

Yep. Ginger poofter.


5 posted on 05/09/2011 1:35:11 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: marcbold

No way, no how, never. Wolf with the sheep. Prya that he doesn’t lead too many down with him!


6 posted on 05/09/2011 1:35:20 PM PDT by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: marcbold

A seedling can be transplanted into a good field. A child born to horrible people can be adopted by a good family.


7 posted on 05/09/2011 1:35:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: samtheman

A fag pastor? Not surprising. There’s a special hell for this “pastor” or whatever his title is.


8 posted on 05/09/2011 1:36:14 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: marcbold
Perhaps he could consider Christ's words for those who would lead our children to commit an immoral action (such as abortion): "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
9 posted on 05/09/2011 1:36:53 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: marcbold
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...

Since you claim to be the author what prevents you from posting the whole content?

10 posted on 05/09/2011 1:37:03 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: max americana

I was shying away from the word ‘fag’ as I’m feeling like I’ve over-used it in recent months.

But since you mention it, yeah, he looks like a flaming faggot pastor to me.


11 posted on 05/09/2011 1:38:46 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: marcbold

>>The story reminds us that respecting and honoring life means doing all we can to create the conditions that will allow life to flourish — while at the same time respecting and accepting that some conditions are not suitable to sustaining life. We do no service by trying to force life into places where the ground is not right. <<

This guy really is an idiot and should avoid analogies. He’s not very good at it.

Basically, the outcome of the scenario above, regarding pregnancy, is that if the “ground is not right”, there will be a miscarriage. You don’t rip the “seedling” out of perfectly fertile soil, and claim that you destroyed it because the “ground is not right”.

Again, what an imbecile.


12 posted on 05/09/2011 1:39:00 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: marcbold
I confess to a certain morbid curiosity as to what sort of "church" would be a home to this self-proclaimed "reverend".

"Bing" informs me that he is "associate pastor" at All souls Bethlehem Church, self described as "an ecumenical community of faith with ties to three important liberal denominations: the Unitarian Universalist Association, the United Church of Christ, and the Christian Church, Disciples of Christ."

Yeah.

Read the rest at the link ... it gets worse.

And, to the guy who thought "reverend matthew westfox" looks like a poof, I say: "Check this out"

Yikes!

13 posted on 05/09/2011 1:40:29 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marcbold
So was he ordained outa a cracker jack box. Has this guy ever actually read the Bible?
14 posted on 05/09/2011 1:46:10 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Why would Unitarians want anything to do with a church that has a name with the word Christ in it?

Is he proselytizing the anti-christ message to the unendarkened?


15 posted on 05/09/2011 1:46:37 PM PDT by DManA
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To: marcbold
If it's not a Baby
You're not Pregnant....

16 posted on 05/09/2011 1:48:27 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: humblegunner
Why don't you lay off...

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17 posted on 05/09/2011 1:49:58 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: samtheman

My thoughts exactly! I could NEVER call such a one my Pastor.
But then I’ve learned not everyone who calls themselves by the name of Christ actually are.Every Pastor ought consider himself on permanent probation their Office subject to be dissolved -or themselves chastised every time they mislead.


18 posted on 05/09/2011 1:52:52 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: humblegunner

“(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...”

“Since you claim to be the author what prevents you from posting the whole content”

“Pastor Uses Jesus’ Parable To Defend Abortion
National Catholic Register ^ | 4-9-11 | Matt Archbold

Posted on Monday, May 09, 2011 3:29:23 PM by marcbold”

It would appear he is the Author, but there are other copyright laws.


19 posted on 05/09/2011 1:54:10 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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To: DManA
Is he proselytizing the anti-christ message to the unendarkened?

He's proselytizing in favor of murdering babies, a demonic monstrosity.

Now ... those two bipeds he's pictured with. What are they? What planet are they from? Are they two males? Two females?

One of each? If so, which is which?

They look very strange.

Queer, even.

20 posted on 05/09/2011 1:57:20 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Bruinator

See my post # 17.


21 posted on 05/09/2011 2:03:10 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Harkens me back to the 60’s when I was a similar scholar at the Crane theological school (now defunct) at Tufts. I was in the last graduating class.
We were a motley bunch seeking to save the world from all I now hold dear, precious and holy. God save us from the idiocy of youth.


22 posted on 05/09/2011 2:03:35 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: humblegunner
Since you claim to be the author what prevents you from posting the whole content?

NCRegister.com is one of those domains that FR only allows excerpts from. The author of the thread, even if he is the author of the piece, has no choice.

23 posted on 05/09/2011 2:05:48 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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To: marcbold; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; Bed_Zeppelin; YellowRoseofTx; Rashputin; ...
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24 posted on 05/09/2011 2:06:15 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: StonyBurk

Well said.


25 posted on 05/09/2011 2:09:36 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: marcbold

In that particular parable, Jesus explained each of its elements and their meaning.

Jesus didn’t mention abortion even once.


26 posted on 05/09/2011 2:12:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: marcbold
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Isaiah 5:20

I know it is difficult but this man needs our prayers desperately.

27 posted on 05/09/2011 2:14:58 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: marcbold

From the last portion of his column, directly quoted in the article, on the group’s homepage:

” At this time of year I hear the endless debate about what the resurrection “really meant” and what “truly happened.” I gave up finding a definitive answer to that question, at least on a historical, factual level, in my first year theology class. I find many truths on Easter morning, truths that go far beyond historical fact. Yet one in particular is the truth of a biblical, sacred exhortation to affirm, revere, and defend life; to be unabashedly, unashamedly pro-life. As Christians, let’s work together to honor the resurrection by resurrecting and re-claiming the term pro-life— not as an attack on choice but as an affirmation of all that life entails. I believe we can do this in so many ways, one of which is by being passionate advocates for reproductive justice.”

http://rcrc.org/news/views/Passover_and_Easter.cfm

I will try hard not to be too quick to judge, and will only say that I will pray for him, given the comment regarding giving up finding out what really happened at the Resurrection, especially.


29 posted on 05/09/2011 2:24:02 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Borges

I agree. If a fundamentalist used this variety of “exegesis” to bolster a politically conservative thesis, Mr. Westfox would be cackling with glee at his ignorance of basic methodology.


30 posted on 05/09/2011 2:34:55 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: marcbold

He’s no pastor. He’s an anti-Christian Bastor.


31 posted on 05/09/2011 2:36:39 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: sayuncledave

I fail to understand why a person who discovers in his first year of theology school that he doesn’t believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus would not just drop out and do something else. Isn’t that kind of like finding out in your first year of medical school that you don’t believe that certain germs can cause disease?

He’s “pro-life” but wants to be a passionate advocate for “reproductive justice” (whatever that is).

This man is either hopelessly confused, dishonest, or he has been educated beyond his intellect.


32 posted on 05/09/2011 2:53:32 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: buccaneer81
Is it in your DNA to be a bullying jerk?

Is it in your DNA to support blogpimps who enrich themselves using FR as advertising?

Where do your loyalties lie?

34 posted on 05/09/2011 3:22:04 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
What part of the EWTN copyright notice do you not understand?

You are to blog policing as Frantzie was to television and Willie Green was to trains. That's a badge of honor, huh?

35 posted on 05/09/2011 3:27:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
What part of the EWTN copyright notice do you not understand?

That would be the part about how the poster wrote it himself yet can't post it here.

He wants hits. I say screw him, this isn't his hit farm.

36 posted on 05/09/2011 3:34:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Pollster1; marcbold
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

and "Mat 19:14 : But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not try to stop them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Guess he forgot to read that part, huh. And all the other many references to children. Wow. We should pray this guy pulls his head out before it's too late.

37 posted on 05/09/2011 3:43:40 PM PDT by greatplains
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To: humblegunner
He sold his article to EWTN, at which point it becomes their property. Do you think he has the right to sell it again, to another publication? Same thing, whether money changes hands or not.

"The author of a work is the initial owner of the copyright in it, and may exploit the work himself or transfer some or all the rights conferred by the copyright to others.[19] The author generally is the person who conceives of the copyrightable expression and fixes it or causes it to be fixed in a tangible form. Exceptions and special cases in determining the author are:

# Works for hire. If a work is made "for hire" within the meaning of the Copyright Act, the employer or commissioning party, who paid for the work and took the economic risk of it, is deemed the author for copyright purposes and is the initial owner of the copyright."

38 posted on 05/09/2011 3:48:04 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Smacktard should have posted it here first.

Doing otherwise is pimping for blog hits.

Do you view FR as a blog advertising medium? Particularly for those who fail to donate?


39 posted on 05/09/2011 3:57:45 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ArrogantBustard

That’s way too much ugly for one day.


40 posted on 05/09/2011 4:00:53 PM PDT by Chandalier
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41 posted on 05/09/2011 4:09:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: humblegunner
Smacktard should have posted it here first.

Why? Should contributors to Canada Free Press or Mark Steyn have to do that as well?

Doing otherwise is pimping for blog hits.

The author does not own or publish the Catholic National Register. He isn't gaining financially.

Do you view FR as a blog advertising medium?

No, but even lefties at the New York Times get page views from FR. It's inevitable.

Particularly for those who fail to donate?

I imagine only Jim and John can confirm donation status unless a donor puts himself on the list (that was years ago; not sure if there's a recent one.)

42 posted on 05/09/2011 4:09:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: wagglebee

I’ll pray for this so called “Pastor”, that his eyes may be opened and he will stop perverting God’s word.


43 posted on 05/09/2011 4:18:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Trump - Romney, without the Mormon baggage.)
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To: buccaneer81; marcbold
Should contributors to Canada Free Press or Mark Steyn have to do that as well?

Show where either of them are excerpting their own material to score blog hits from FR.

Interestingly, the "author" of this "piece" has an exclusive
history of posting as threads only his own writings, excerpted
in order to harvest blog hits from Free Republic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:marcbold/index?tab=articles

Isn't that curious? Almost like USING us as a business model.

Support that do you?

44 posted on 05/09/2011 4:23:57 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

I support you hitting the abuse button to register your whine and cheese selections with the Mods, and spare us the filler in the threads.


45 posted on 05/09/2011 4:30:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: humblegunner
Okay, I just checked his posting history. He has a pattern, that's for sure.

If you had said that in the first place, I would have agreed with you. But he's gotten away with it for three years, that's why hitting abuse might work better.

46 posted on 05/09/2011 4:35:35 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
Ah, so you are afraid to take sides and wish for someone to call the cops.

Gotcha.

Stop trembling, Poindexter. Nobody is going to hit you.

47 posted on 05/09/2011 4:36:09 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Stop trembling, Poindexter. Nobody is going to hit you.

You got that right, Bruce.

48 posted on 05/09/2011 4:41:36 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: marcbold

Those who say that you can’t force your religion on anyone else are correct, but they’re the same ones who force their religious beliefs on others by supporting Planned Parenthood through our taxes.


49 posted on 05/09/2011 5:00:09 PM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: marcbold
Some Protestant denominations, such as the United Church of Christ, are anti-Christian strongholds.

There are worse than atheists or pagans. These people are wolves on sheep clothing devouring the unsuspecting flocks.

50 posted on 05/09/2011 5:05:39 PM PDT by daivid
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