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Vatican increases pressure to allow Latin mass
Reuters ^ | 5/13/2011 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Vatican increases pressure to allow Latin mass

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By Philip Pullella

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican told Catholic bishops around the world on Friday they had to obey a papal order allowing priests to say the old-style Latin mass for traditionalist Catholics, whether they liked it or not.

The Vatican issued an "instruction" to bishops as a follow-up to a 2007 papal decree authorizing the wider adoption of the Latin Mass, which was in universal use before the 1962-1965 Vatican Council introduced masses in local languages.

...The five-page instruction from the Vatican's doctrinal department, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, made it clear that the pope wants bishops to follow his orders.

...While couched in polite, institutional language, the instruction said local parishes had to insert a Latin mass into their liturgical schedules if tradionalist faithful wanted it.

...A Vatican official said recently that only a third of the world's bishops responded to a Vatican questionnaire and that prejudice against the old mass was "still widespread."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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1 posted on 05/13/2011 8:27:16 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

HOORAY!


2 posted on 05/13/2011 8:28:38 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

Benedict the Great.


3 posted on 05/13/2011 8:31:31 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN.
4 posted on 05/13/2011 8:33:38 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I remember we used to call it “High Mass”.

Does that ring a bell with anyone?


5 posted on 05/13/2011 8:34:12 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: faucetman

>>Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN. <<

I don’t see how that follows. “Speaking in Tongues” is a (frequently misunderstood) reference to gifts from God (teaching is one of the greatest).

If you are talking about the Church’s objection to “Charismatic” movements (which are appalling), that is an entirely different matter.

Or you were joking and I missed it...


6 posted on 05/13/2011 8:36:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: faucetman

Nonsense.


7 posted on 05/13/2011 8:39:46 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: freedumb2003
Q. Why did the man carry a ladder to Church?

A. He heard it was going to be a High Mass.

That's what passed as 3rd grade Catholic School humor in the early 60's.

8 posted on 05/13/2011 8:42:13 AM PDT by pgkdan ( "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine / There's always laughter and good red wine / ...Belloc)
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To: freedumb2003
I remember we used to call it “High Mass”.

Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Yes. Our parish does one every first and third Sunday of the month:


9 posted on 05/13/2011 8:43:54 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM ("Sola Ecclesia")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
We've had a Latin Mass at my parish for at least the last 20 years. It used to be celebrated weekly but now is held on the first Sunday of each month. We have an excellent Schola who sing a chant during the Post-Communion. I served as cantor at this Mass for many years.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
10 posted on 05/13/2011 8:46:16 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: pgkdan

>>That’s what passed as 3rd grade Catholic School humor in the early 60’s.<<

I think that was where we got to say “D@mn” and “H3ll” without getting in trouble.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 8:47:05 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 8:50:16 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: faucetman
Latin mass without translation is speaking in tongues and strictly FORBIDDEN.

That statement simply DOES NOT reflect reality.

13 posted on 05/13/2011 8:53:29 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I am an advocate of the Tridentine Mass but have never personally attended a High Mass, and only one Missa Cantata (sung solo by the priest). Boy, would I like to visit!
14 posted on 05/13/2011 8:58:36 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Please pray for your trapped bretheran on the remote island chain of Hawaii. American-bred priests have come from the disaster known as Menlo Park Seminary for the past 40 years. A Latin Mass to them? They think it was stopped somewhere along 1362 (and a hearty good riddance!) And the foreign priests from the Philippines are poorly trained in liturgy, let alone Latin and Gregorian. We are trapped unlike you folks on the Mainland who can drive somewhere. But how magnificent is our 83 year old Papa, writing books for us and giving us the treasure of the ages in Moto Proprio.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 8:58:48 AM PDT by jobim
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To: faucetman

The translation of every word is in a book anyone can buy.


16 posted on 05/13/2011 9:03:08 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: freedumb2003

Wrong.

Latin Mass is not High Mass, which is a more ceremonial form of Mass.
High and low Masses can be in Latin.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 9:06:42 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: jobim

Interesting I hope things improve. Not really much better in many more rural areas of the mainland, distant from big cities (of course, big cities tend to have both the best and the worst of things).


18 posted on 05/13/2011 9:07:33 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: oldbill

That makes sense.

I have to assume they merged the 2 in my particular parish. But I was young then.


19 posted on 05/13/2011 9:12:04 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (osama gets 72 virgins. We get 72 versions...)
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To: faucetman

Oh thank you for my best laugh of the day so far. Where in the world did you find such a clever joke? Is it your own?


20 posted on 05/13/2011 9:13:50 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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