Source: The John Jay Report
Posted on 05/16/2011 10:48:24 AM PDT by bronxville
VATICAN ABUSE NORMS RELEASED
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the Vatican's guidelines on sex abuse and the early reaction to it:
The three most noteworthy features of the Vatican's new guidelines are (a) its commitment to the due process rights of priests (b) its insistence on cooperation with civil authorities and (c) its restatement of episcopal authority in these matters.
It was reassuring to learn that the Vatican says, "The accused cleric is presumed innocent until the contrary is proven." Significantly, the guidelines say that "the prescriptions of civil law regarding the reporting of such crimes to the designated authority should always be followed." It also puts the ultimate authority in these matters squarely in the hands of the bishops or major superiors.
The guidelines are respectful of episcopal autonomy and do not attempt a universal template. This is important because cooperation with the civil authorities in some nations is tantamount to suicide: hostile environments for Catholics exist, and any cooperation with the authorities in these nations is bound to come at the expense of justice. With regard to authority in these matters, the Vatican understands the role that diocesan review boards play, but it also recognizes that they are not a substitute for the authority lodged in the bishop.
The news story by the Associated Press speaks of priests who "rape and molest children," referring to them as "pedophile priests." It is factually wrong: few were raped, most were not children, and pedophilia is not the problem. In fact, the data show that "inappropriate touching" has been the most common form of abuse, and that most of the victims were postpubescent males, meaning that homosexuality was at work.
Finally, I was disappointed to read that John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter, who cited criticism of the guidelines by SNAP, did not inform his readers that those comments were made yesterday, before the Vatican's statement was released.
The most probable pedophiles in order are:
Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers
Priests are way down on the list.
So if a father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.
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Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers
Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year
Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination
Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy
"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse
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Teachers and Pedophilia - In YOUR Backyard
Washington Post -- D.C. school officials reported 220 abuse allegations against teachers
Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church
WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY
Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
Typical. Change the subject.
Sure, abuse by other professionals is terrible but as Catholics we need to care about what is happening in our Church.
I hate pedophile defenders.
It is interesting that your posts defend priests yet not one single word to defend Catholic children.
It is the application of Canon law that lies with the Bishop. Not the application of Civil law or when to report the crimes.
Bill Donohue (sp) reported rather poorly on this and I have to say he often (as he does now) comes across as a bit of an ass. Inappropriate touching is not alright. It is not as bad as outright rape but it is till gravely sinful and is considered criminal when it involves an adult abusing a minor.
Here is what the norms say about reporting the crimes to civil authorities:
“Sexual abuse of minors is not just a canonical delict but also a crime prosecuted by civil law. Although relations with civil authority will differ in various countries, nevertheless it is important to cooperate with such authority within their responsibilities. Specifically, without prejudice to the sacramental internal forum, the prescriptions of civil law regarding the reporting of such crimes to the designated authority should always be followed.”
Read the norms. Those who violate Canon Law are subject to that law. Those who violate Civil law are subject to that law. A priest who abuses a minor is guilty under both of these laws.
Thanks for your information - interesting graph peak, just as Bill Donahue stated, the sixties to eighties, and right at the cusp of “The Age of Aquarius” explosion, Vat II, free-sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll, occultism, astrologist, newagism, gaia, spiritual guides and angels, and the times they are a changin’...Almost too good to be true that it was all happen-stance with no infiltrators within or without. If one were to do the same with a mainline Protestant graph one might expect to see the same - unfortunately in the latter it’s led to the acceptance of female bishops, abortion, homosexuality, and the support of leftist causes including the earth mothers and that grieves me. We need to stay together, united, in seeking truth with reason. There is an agenda - on the continuum.
From the article:- “The news story by the Associated Press speaks of priests who “rape and molest children,” referring to them as “pedophile priests.” It is factually wrong: few were raped, most were not children, and pedophilia is not the problem.”
You wrote:- “Wow, that is an absolute lie and easily disprovable by the Church’s own reports. This just re-victimizes the children over again to say they were not ‘raped’ by priests. Is the Catholic League now saying that children can chose who they sleep with since its not considered ‘rape’ by them?”
Why did you write as if these ACCUSATIONS were actually real stats?
Why are you so determined not to post the link from #8?
Now, I’m sure you have stats from other denominations, right? Can you link us to them?
We all know there is no such thing as a false accusation or the use of a corrupt justice system to silence the opponents of a tyrannical regime. Nope not ever, ever.
“Clergy sex allegations soar in the US: study
Apr 11, 2011
WASHINGTON — Allegations of sexual abuse involving the Roman Catholic clergy in the United States rose sharply last year to nearly 700 from around 400 in 2009, according to a church report Monday....”
ALLEGATIONS! Oh, for heaven’s sake give it up already and stop being a watercarrier for the state-run media aka the AFP in this case!
re you aware that over 50 percent of the accusations of priestly abuse of children were false? I know of two cases personally. (And in those cases the children — then adults — lied just to get the money.) State records proved them mistaken. Ha!
Think what that does to a priest’s life. And if a protestant minister is accused wrongly I sympathize with them.
I operated a business dealing with children — I knoow how children can lie.
Many of these cases were sought out by ambulance chasing attorneys out for a quick buck — often the cases were fabricated and the person accused was dead. It was all about the money........Get real.
It’s also obvious that you have no idea about the staunch requirements set by the Vatican now for entering a seminary. Multitudes of tests, psyche analysis for TWO, yes two days! Character references galore.
In person interviews by the seminary that last into the hours. There are mothers and fathers of new seminarians on FreeRepublic whocan vouch for my rigorous facts.
Sorry, but you are wrong and uninformed, or so it seems, again...And again....and again...there are more Protestant ministers abusing children than there ever were priests abusing children,,,,,,,,,,,,,yet you do not even look into that fact.
They’re so intent on targeting the CC - the “forest” goes right over their silly heads. I mean a non-story by the AFP on the CC, what next, the NYSlimes and Media Matters?
Defend pedophile priests all you want but there are many sitting in prison convicted by a jury of their peers.
Is the fact that ministers of other faiths molest children make the situation any better for us Catholics? Does it magically restore parishes, schools closed to pay for lawsuits? Does it help the abused?
You do realize that story in the AFP originated with the Catholic Church, right?
The story got its facts directly from the “Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People”.
These are deemed ‘credible’ allegations by the Catholic church.
So if you don’t believe it, you are stating you don’t believe our Bishops who produced it.
http://www.usccb.org/ocyp/annual-report-2010.pdf
The Church are not calling these ambulance chasing charlatans but “victim/survivors”.
I think this passage by the US Council Bishops should be read by you:
” Abuse is never a child’s fault, a point that children need to hear over and over again. Offenders try hard to make children feel complicit in the abuse or to blame them for the abuse. Children learn that that is never true. The blame always belongs to the adult who is taking advantage of a child’s trust and vulnerabilities.”
WaterBoard wrote ->”Defend pedophile priests all you want but there are many sitting in prison convicted by a jury of their peers.
WaterBoard wrote -> Is the fact that ministers of other faiths molest children make the situation any better for us Catholics? Does it magically restore parishes, schools closed to pay for lawsuits? Does it help the abused?”
Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem. - *The results of this survey were reported in the book, Ministerial Ethics by Joe Trull and James Carter (2d ed. 2004), and in The Baptist Standard editorial, “Churches must act to prevent clergy sexual abuse,” 4/22/2002. - (source: The voice of SNAP Baptist - http://stopbaptistpredators.org/alarmingnumbers.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2709296/posts
I put your questions back on you - ask them from yourself. You started the mess on this thread - not Salvation nor myself. You’ve been given enough information with links on how the Catholic Church has implemented an excellent program that’s so successful it’s being used by other main-line Protestant Churches and other Institutions to combat filth. You’ve also been given REAL stats on pedophilia from other denominations AND you’ve been given just a few of the abuses committed only last week by Pastors. Yet you ignore all of it. You have a huge anti-Catholic problem! I’ll pray for you.
Now please go weed your own garden!
I stated it was a non-story from the AFP. So what if they picked it up from the USSB site? It would help a lot more if they did some prowling around the schools where the numbers are at 10 per cent and rising with zilch been done about it...
“Alarming Numbers
Ninety percent of active sex offenders have no criminal record that would show up in a background check. Other studies reflect numbers even more frightening. An FBI bulletin estimates that only between 1 to 10 percent of child molestation incidents are disclosed, much less prosecuted or convicted. And an Emory University study indicates that only 3 percent of child molestation incidents are detected. This means most perpetrators are not going to show up in any sex offender registry. It’s why background checks aren’t nearly enough.
An Emory University study concluded that the average male who sexually abuses minor girls has 52 victims, and that the average male who sexually abuses minor boys has 150 victims. These are averages, and other studies reflect different numbers — for example, this report says the average perpetrator molests between 12 and 77 children. However, what ALL studies show is that, far too often, child molesters have numerous victims. Therefore, the best way to protect kids is to treat every allegation seriously and to remove a perpetrator from trust whenever there is substantial evidence of even a single incident. If Baptist leaders choose blindness - and do nothing - even when they receive a substantiated report about a minister molesting a kid, then many more kids are likely to be horribly wounded while the man continues in ministry.
An estimated 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before their 18th birthday. Most are abused by people they know and trust, and most never talk about until much later in life, if ever.
The Journal of Pastoral Care reported on a survey in which 1000 senior Southern Baptist pastors were randomly selected from 15,000 churches in 6 states. The number of pastors who anonymously reported that they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior” was 14.1 percent. And 70.4 percent had knowledge about other ministers who had engaged in “inappropriate sexual contact” with church members.*
Studies such as this are necessarily limited by the honesty of ministers who self-report. Some ministers may be incapable of getting past their own denial enough to candidly answer even an anonymous survey. And many authorities would say that the only time most child sex offenders will admit their conduct is when they are definitely caught and if an admission will buy them a lesser punishment. So...the numbers may be even much higher than what the survey reflects.
Darkness to Light reports that 70 percent of reported sexual assaults involve minors.
A Baptist-published brochure states that 35% of ministers surveyed “had engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior.” It also states that Protestant clergy are “sexually exploiting their parishioners at twice the rate of secular therapists.” (Broken Trust, published by the Christian Life Commission of the BGCT)
Other studies “have shown no differences” in the frequency of clergy sexual abuse “by denomination, region, theology, or institutional structure.” Thus, “the problem of clergy sexual abuse is not just a Catholic issue - the problem extends to Protestant denominations as well.” (Ministerial Ethics at 162*) Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem.
Insurance companies receive from Protestant churches each year about 260 reports involving allegations of sexual abuse committed against minors. This is LESS than the annual number of 228 abuse incidents reported against Catholic priests. That reality is particularly noteworthy because Catholics keep track of even “credible accusations,” which Southern Baptists don’t even bother to determine or keep records on.
Dee Miller, an author and former Southern Baptist missionary, has been ministering to sex abuse survivors for the past 15 years. She reports that, from Christian faiths, about 2500 clergy abuse survivors have contacted her during that time, and that at least 300 of those were people abused by Southern Baptist clergy. One-third to one-half were abused as minors. Dee’s ministry is conducted on a shoestring - with no funding, no resources, and no support of any kind from the denomination. How much greater would these numbers be, and how many more abuse survivors could be helped, if the denomination would provide the funding and commitment for a genuine outreach and education effort?
In just 9 months time during 2006-07, Christa Brown of SNAP-Baptist was contacted by about 100 people who reported having abused by Baptist clergy. Again, this is a ministry conducted without funding or resources. People simply saw a news article or found the website. How many more abuse victims would be located, and how much more likely would they be to speak up, if there were some support from the denomination? When victims aren’t supported in speaking up, perpetrators stay in their pulpits.
Now consider these numbers from a 2004 study in the journal of Child Abuse and Neglect: “Sexually abused adolescents were much more likely to report having had ‘thoughts about killing themselves’ [73% abused, 25% non-abused]; to have “made plans” [55% abused, 12% non-abused]; to have “made threats” [45% abused, 9% non-abused]; and to claim attempts to kill themselves [24% abused, 5% non-abused]....The strong association between sexual abuse and suicide attempts, even after controlling for depressive symptomatology, hopelessness and family functioning, is in agreement with other studies....”
If clergy sex abuse were a disease, we would likely see national telethons to combat it because its impact is so devastating and its prevalence so widespread. Yet, even in the face of such alarming numbers, Baptist leaders blindly talk of “congregational autonomy” rather than taking action to protect kids.
*The results of this survey were reported in the book, Ministerial Ethics by Joe Trull and James Carter (2d ed. 2004), and in The Baptist Standard editorial, “Churches must act to prevent clergy sexual abuse,” 4/22/2002.
http://stopbaptistpredators.org/alarmingnumbers.html
“Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles. His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles. There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem.”
“Insurance companies receive from Protestant churches each year about 260 reports involving allegations of sexual abuse committed against minors. This is LESS than the annual number of 228 abuse incidents reported against Catholic priests. That reality is particularly noteworthy because Catholics keep track of even “credible accusation,” which Southern Baptists don’t even bother to determine or keep records on.”
I posted this link shortly after you posted your “ACCUSATION” stats in post 8 but somehow don’t imagine you even opened it. As the paragraph above states, the CC keeps track of ALL “credible accusations”, whereas other denominations don’t, yet you underhandedly used these “credible accusations” to convice others that they were facts. That’s really nasty and slanderous.
Let’s hope the article will help with the weeding - more information available...
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