Posted on 05/22/2011 10:02:42 AM PDT by DaveMSmith
Last Judgment 28
V. THE LAST JUDGMENT IS TO BE WHERE ALL ARE TOGETHER, AND SO IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, NOT ON EARTH
The general belief about the Last Judgment is that the Lord accompanied by angels will appear in glory in the clouds of heaven, and He will then raise up from their graves all who have ever lived from the beginning of creation, clothe their souls with a body, and, when they have been summoned to meet, judge them, sending those who have lived good lives to everlasting life or heaven, and those who lived wicked lives to everlasting death or hell.
The churches have taken this belief from the literal sense of the Word, and there was no possibility of removing it so long as it remained unknown that everything mentioned in the Word has a spiritual sense; and this sense is the real Word, the literal sense serving as its basis or foundation. Without this kind of literal sense the Word could not have been Divine, and have served both heaven and the world as a means of instruction on how to live and what to believe, and as a means of conjunction. So if anyone knows the spiritual things corresponding to natural things in the Word, he can know that the Lord's coming in the clouds of heaven does not mean His appearance there, but His appearance in the Word. The Lord is the Word, because He is Divine truth. The clouds of heaven in which He is to come are the literal sense of the Word, and the glory is its spiritual sense. The angels are heaven, from which He appears, and they are also the Lord as regards Divine truths.# This makes plain the meaning of these words, namely, that when the church comes to an end the Lord will open up the spiritual sense of the Word, and thus reveal Divine truth such as it is in itself. This will be a sign that the Last Judgment is at hand.
That there is a spiritual sense within each thing and expression in the Word, and what it is may be seen in the Arcana Coelestia. This book expounds in full detail the contents of Genesis and Exodus in accordance with their spiritual sense. Some selected passages dealing with the Word and its spiritual sense may be found in the small work About the White Horse described in Revelation.
# The Lord is the Word, because He is Divine truth in heaven (AC 2533, 2813, 2859, 2894, 3397, 3712). The Lord is the Word because the Word comes from Him and is about Him (AC 2859). It is about nothing but the Lord, especially in its inmost sense about the glorification of His Humanity, so that the Lord Himself is contained in it (AC 1873, 9357). The Lord's coming is His presence in the Word and the revelation of this (AC 3900, 4060). A cloud in the Word means the letter of the Word, or its literal meaning (AC 4060, 4391, 5922, 6343, 6752, 8106, 8781, 9430, 10551, 10574). Glory in the Word means Divine truth such as it is in heaven and in the spiritual sense (AC 4809, 5922, 8267, 8427, 9429, 10574). Angels in the Word mean Divine truths coming from the Lord, since angels are the means by which they are received, and they do not utter them of themselves but from the Lord (AC 1925, 2821, 3039, 4085, 4295, 4402, 6280, 8192, 8301). The trumpets and horns then blown by angels mean Divine truths in heaven and revealed from heaven (AC 8815, 8823, 8915).
Okay, you're OBAMA.
I've listened to hundreds of sermons from Protestant pastors, and somehow I've failed to hear what you just claimed.
I might suggest turning on your television during televangelist hour. Perhaps you will not fail.
Really? Is the RM also unlettered in the languages of Christain theology and likewise prone to jump into the middle of online conversations, thus missing the nature and content of the conversation?
James 2:10-11 10For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
From Catholic's favorite book of the NT.
If you're a law breaker, you incur the penalty of death. If righteousness came by the law, Christ died for nothing.
We can't earn salvation by good works because the only way to have the penalty of death remitted is through forgiveness, which is a gift, not earned.
Harley, Harley, Harley, I recognize and appreciate the effort you are putting into this, but I think your problem is that you are reading Catholic sources (note: New Advent is not an official Catholic source) not with a critical and objective eye, but in an effort to find evidence of guilt. Trent did not outlaw indulgences. Catholic doctrine, per Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, defines and indulges as; "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain defined conditions through the Church’s help when, as a minister of redemption, she dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions won by Christ and the saints".
The scandal you are referring to was the corruption of the practice of alms giving. There has never been any selling of indulgences.
Yes, really. According to the RM, if you post in any language other than English, unless it's a common phrase, you must post the translation.
It's a result of certain of your compatriots posting exorcism "prayers" against non-Catholics in Latin. If you don't like the RM's directives, you can thank them.
Is the RM also unlettered in the languages of Christain theology and likewise prone to jump into the middle of online conversations, thus missing the nature and content of the conversation?
How would I know? You'd have to ask him (her?). And besides, it's irrelevant as not everyone who reads FR knows Latin and the faux surprise and astonishment that there are actually people out there who are not fluent in Latin is condescending at the very least, haughty and arrogant at the worst.
Daniel, ....Your post of Swendenborg much resembles the path today's cults and false religious leaders follow. Thereafter those who they recruit do likewise. There is a systematic step by step progression away from Christ and the way of Salvation God provides.
I say this because I recently had conversation with one who basically said the same thing Swedenborg said. Stunning similarity!
This person also is supposedly "seeking the truth" though they have known the way of salvation thru Christ...they now doubt the truths of the scripture prefering to use only those which guarantee their salvation...but cannot accept God would allow people to go to hell for not accepting Christ.
Which just shows that demonic influences appear to use the same tactics even today. That man still falls for just as Eve did. Amazing to think mans intellect has not advanced as he proclaims it has....at least in the areas of the real battles for mens souls.
You're just saying that because Greek is the first language of the Church. I cannot take umbrage at that because Latin is the second tier, true. But I can beat you at skeet shooting, so there.
Metmom, try hard to understand this. The Latin prayer I posted was a translation of an ENGLISH one two posts earlier.
"And besides, it's irrelevant as not everyone who reads FR knows Latin and the faux surprise and astonishment that there are actually people out there who are not fluent in Latin is condescending at the very least, haughty and arrogant at the worst."
There is nothing faux about it. It has surprised me for years now. I keep hoping that anyone here who is serious about Christian theology would actually take the time to develop a working knowledge of Latin and Greek at least, and hopefully Slavonic. It would improve the quality of the discussion immeasurably.
Grace is a gift that is freely given. God desires that all be saved, yet all are not saved. Faith without works and works without faith are both dead. Works alone will not get me into heaven, but and absence of works will probably keep me out.
Little is known of St. Dismas, the good thief, except for the narrative of the crucifixion. His works are a matter of speculation.
We need an interpreter of English too. Exactly what constitutes a "common phrase"? Common to whom?
There are Latin and Greek phrases that are very common among the Roman and Orthodox Catholics that are objected to on this forum. I think it is just a tool to annoy and impede Catholic content and theology.
It never ceases to amaze me that the very people who can manage to find the single derogatory or anti-Catholic nugget in an obscure or banned website are suddenly incapable of locating and using the many online translation tools or sources.
2) Are you infallibly certain that your interpretation of the Bible is infallible?
More than i can be certain that Rome is the infallible interpreter, and as much as i can [be] certain its interpretations are infallible, insomuch as Scripture clearly declares such. And anyone who even affirms that there is a God could be declaring infallible truth.
To reiterate what was also said ,
I believe i can infallibly and inerrantly declare, based upon what is clearly stated in the Scriptures, that God is, and has communicated His word to certain souls mentioned in the Bible. And so may you and Rome.
On the other end, I do not hold i can declare anything close to certainty as knowing the year of the Lord's return. And i certainly do not infallibly declare that i am and will be infallible and inerrantly whenever i speak on faith and morals to all within my house, or the like.
Thus it should have been evident to you that the answer was a conditional yes, for as i carefully stated, the real issue is the basis for determining infallibility, that of Scriptural warrant and corroboration, versus conformity to a content and scope-based criteria, which renders whatever it declares to be infallible, not the degree of scriptural substantiation, which might not even be an infallible interpretation of said Scripture.
Now are you certain that your understandings of infallible definitions are infallible, as well as your judgment as to how many declarations (judging the parts that are), certainty of which you need to know in order to submit to them?
Can you even be certain, with the certainty of faith, that you have received a true sacrament through Rome's clergy?
And if you have certainty that the Pope has only spoken ex cathedra twice, do you claim greater ability than Roman Catholic apologists and clergy who disagree with you?
Doctrine of Life 1 and Coelestia 8393
Are these another gospel?
Well, thanks for sticking up for this unlettered and uncultured ignoramus who doesn't even understand Latin and I thought I was the only one. Do you mean there are others?
I pray and strive to understand the word of God in English.
Yes.
"More than i can be certain that Rome is the infallible interpreter..."
How? What makes your interpretations more accurate than 90%+ of Protestantism and 100% of Catholicism?
"And if you have certainty that the Pope has only spoken ex cathedra twice, do you claim greater ability than Roman Catholic apologists and clergy who disagree with you?"
Infallibility only applies to issues of faith and morals, not Church history so the Catholic apologists and clergy you are referring are inherently fallible> I cannot speak for them, I can only cite actual Church history.
A pope has only spoken "ex cathedra" two times. It was first formally invoked in 1854 by Pope Pius IX with the declaration of the Immaculate Conception. The second time was by Pope Pius XII when he affirmed the Assumption of Mary into Heaven in 1950.
Yes, Swendenborg claimed a unique supreme interpretive ability, but like Camping, his hyper spiritualization can be used to prove anything, and like Joseph Smith (who met with both Elijah and Elias, Greek for the former) he had more supernatural spiritual encounters with notable persons of the Bible than anyone in the Bible.
Good night
Hey! You wrote it in English and I understand it!
There's hope for the great unwashed yet.
The irony is that Scripture wasn’t written in Latin, it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic.
Any Latin Bibles are merely translations of the original, just like English Bibles are, so Latin is nothing special as far as Christianity is concerned.
So someone knows Latin fluently? whoo hoo...... Latin is a dead language.
Color me not impressed.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.