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The Blessings of Tithing (Mormon)
First Presidency Message ^ | June, eo11 | Henry B Eyring

Posted on 06/05/2011 11:25:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The Blessings of Tithing

By President Henry B. Eyring

First Counselor in the First Presidency


Henry B. Eyring

God’s purpose in giving us commandments is to bless us. He wants to give us eternal life, the greatest of all His gifts (see D&C 14:7). To receive the gift of living with Him forever in families in the celestial kingdom, we must be able to live the laws of that kingdom (see D&C 88:22).

He has given us commandments in this life to help us develop that capacity. The law of tithing is one of those preparatory commandments. The law is that we give to the Lord one-tenth of all our income. It is simple enough that even a child can understand it. I have seen children hand a bishop a tithing envelope that contains one-tenth of the coins they earned.

There we must be able to feel that aOne of the blessings that comes from paying a full tithing is developing faith to live an even higher law. To live in the celestial kingdom, we must live the law of consecration. We are and all we have belong to God.

There are at least three ways that paying a full tithe in this life prepares us to feel what we need to feel to receive the gift of eternal life.

First, when we pay our tithes to the Church, our Heavenly Father pours out blessings upon us. Anyone who has consistently paid a full tithe knows that is true. The blessings are sometimes spiritual and sometimes temporal. They are given in the Lord’s time and according to what He knows is best for us.

As those blessings come, our faith is increased that God is the source of everything that is good in our lives. It becomes easier to see that consecration simply recognizes the truth that all of God’s creations are His. It makes us feel gratitude that He asks only 10 percent of what He has already given us. So we are better prepared to live the law of consecration when it will be asked of us.

Second, all of us who have paid a consistent full tithe feel greater confidence in asking God for what we and our families need. He has promised blessings even greater than we can receive when we have been faithful to our covenant to pay our tithes (see Malachi 3:10). So one of the great blessings of tithing is confidence in what the future holds. Whatever our circumstances may be, things will work out for the best. As we keep our promises, He will keep His. A feeling of peace is one of the great blessings of paying a full tithe. Those who have kept the commandment of tithing can testify that the blessing of peace is real and precious.

Third, those who pay tithing feel an increase in their love of God and of all God’s children. That increase of love comes from understanding how the Father uses the tithes we offer to bless people in this world and for eternity.

Through His authorized servants, He expends the tithes with great care. The tithe payer helps the Lord build temples, where families can be sealed forever. The tithe payer helps Him send the gospel to people everywhere. The tithe payer helps Him relieve hunger and suffering in His own way through His servants. Any of those servants can tell you how love increased because tithing was used to bless people. And so can the faithful tithe payer.

Tithing settlement is months in the future. I pray that you and your family will begin now to plan and prepare to qualify for the blessings that God pours out on all those who can declare to Him that they are full-tithe payers.

Teaching from This Message

Youth

Enough Money

met the missionaries when I was 17. At that time my older brother and I lived together. Our mother had passed away the year before, and life was difficult. When the missionaries taught me, I could see that this Church was the church I had always sought. But the influence of my friends prevented me from going to church on Sundays.

One time I went to a Church activity during the week. Seeing all the young people laughing and playing brought me great joy. The missionaries, with the youth, took that opportunity to teach me a gospel lesson, and I felt so good I resolved to be baptized.

But even after I joined the Church, I faced challenges. I was the only member of the Church in that part of town and lived far away from the meetinghouse. My nonmember friends no longer wanted anything to do with me. When I felt alone, I prayed and felt the love of the Lord.

Each month, I received a small allotment of money from a fund my mother left. It was difficult to sustain myself with so little money. But I determined to be obedient. I paid tithing and also had to pay for transportation to seminary and Sunday meetings. I didn’t understand how, but at the end of the month, I found that there had been enough money to do it all.

I know that I have been blessed by paying tithing. Obeying this commandment helped me gain a stronger testimony, serve a mission, and recognize blessings so I can strengthen new members who are facing challenges.

Children

I Can Pay Tithing

Paying tithing means giving 10 percent of what we earn to the Lord. Look at these three children doing jobs. On the first blank space by each drawing, write how much you think each child might earn for the job. On the second line, write how much the tithing would be.

children earning money(click to view larger)

Bonus question: Which of these tithe payers would receive the most blessings? (Hint: See the last paragraph of President Eyring’s message.)



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"To receive the gift of living with Him forever in families in the celestial kingdom, we must be able to live the laws of that kingdom (see D&C 88:22)"

Money=tithing=live the laws of that kingdom(see D&C 88:22)=blessings=mormonism.

Grace???

1 posted on 06/05/2011 11:25:17 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Romney/Huntsman belief ping.


2 posted on 06/05/2011 11:28:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39
That increase of love comes from understanding how the Father uses the tithes we offer to bless people in this world and for eternity.

Like 4+ billion for a shopping mall and next to nothing to really bless people -


3 posted on 06/05/2011 11:45:17 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: greyfoxx39
He wants to give us eternal life

I thought He had already given eternal life to the believer?

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life" John 3:36 - Also see "he who believes has eternal life." John 6:47

So how can it be "wants", when he has already given "eternal life" to the believers?

4 posted on 06/05/2011 12:03:17 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: greyfoxx39

“Look at these three children doing jobs. On the first blank space by each drawing, write how much you think each child might earn for the job. On the second line, write how much the tithing would be.”


Whew. That is so screwed up.

I just left church a while ago. At the end of the service the youth stood in front of the altar to tell about summer camp. WE adults give TO them. I guess this guy would’ve demanded 10% of the extra that was above our normal 10% tithe to tithe on the tithe.


5 posted on 06/05/2011 12:06:46 PM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: greyfoxx39

Good health is a blessing

In fact the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible said that healing is the childrens bread

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

if tithing to the Mormon Corp is supposed to bring on blessings

Why have so many of the mormon “prophets” and “apostles” died horrible deaths after suffering for years with physical ailments ???

Erza Taft Benson for one...suffering physically and mentally incompetant for years with his staff pretending the autopen was his own signature...

Why are so many SLC mormons physically and mentally/emotionally sick ???

Why is Utah #1 for Prozac etc ???

Hers another...

Since long life is a blessing why did Joey Smith get himself killed at age 38 ???

Did Joey tithe ???


6 posted on 06/05/2011 12:10:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

Talk about money graging thieves

The Mormon Corp insist that poor hungry people tithe instead of eating

“One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing. (SApostle Lynn Robbins Spring Gemeral Conference 2005)

BTW Hows that $5 BILLION Mormon Mall going ???

Its being built with tithe money


7 posted on 06/05/2011 12:15:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

Just reading this makes me want to vomit. Tithing is between you and God - period. No man has any business in what happens. Blessings is not stuff.
What a bunch of money grabbing thugs, the lds leaders name it and claim it from the members, while the members bend over for the shilling.


8 posted on 06/05/2011 1:21:21 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: greyfoxx39

Grace??? Long as she gives her 10% she’s o.k.


9 posted on 06/05/2011 1:57:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: greyfoxx39

FOOLISHNESS!

NONSENSE!

FAIL!


10 posted on 06/05/2011 2:03:47 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: greyfoxx39

THese kind of posts are rather pointless since the Gospel was fulfilled in the New Testament, and Christ’s finished works upon the Cross.

The book of Mormon, etc.. makes no sense, since Christ’s work in fulfilling God’s promises to us in His plan of salvation is finished on the Cross, and expressed finally in the NT letters which bear that wittness.

In face it is not even plausable that the Book of Mormon, etc are from God since (1 the warning not to “add” to revelation), and 2ndly because they CONTRADICT the scriptures both Old and New, rather than confirm the exact same thing they say.. Blessings, I hope that God opens your eyes...

J.S.


11 posted on 06/05/2011 2:05:26 PM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This needs to be on a page with Scientology and new age mind control, not religion.


12 posted on 06/05/2011 2:33:29 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm not a Mormon, but I've been tithing for over 50 years. 5% to my church, 5% to other charities. It hasn't brought me wealth, but I believe it has brought me many other blessings. God can't be outdone in generosity.

If you're wondering about it, give it a try.

13 posted on 06/05/2011 2:56:00 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: PoloSec; JSDude1; yldstrk; sr4402; All
Disclaimer: Sorry my post may have mislead some of you. I am an ex-mormon, very much anti-mormon and post articles like this one to educate the FR audience on the anti-Christian beliefs and practices of mormonism.

A mormon in the white house will answer to the mormon leaders first, and in the way that Obama has stacked the government with his followers, a mormon would do the exact same thing with mormons...it is a tried and true practice since the early days of the religion.

It has long been the aim to see a mormon theocracy over not only this country, but the world.

■ “Some members of the Church have an erroneous idea that when the millennium comes all of the people are going to be swept off the earth except righteous members of the Church. That is not so. There will be millions of people, Catholics, Protestants, agnostics, Mohammedans, people of all classes, and of all beliefs, still permitted to remain upon the face of the earth, but they will be those who have lived clean lives, those who have been free from wickedness and corruption. All who belong, by virtue of their good lives, to the terrestrial order, as well as those who have kept the celestial law, will remain upon the face of the earth during the millennium.

“Eventually, however, the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters do the sea. But there will be need for the preaching of the gospel, after the millennium is brought in, until all men are either converted or pass away” (Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:86–87).

The Millennium

14 posted on 06/05/2011 2:58:50 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Not wondering about it at all..perfectly fine with it for decades. The tithing given to MY church is accounted for yearly to the penny...not so with the mormon church.


15 posted on 06/05/2011 3:02:52 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Noted...it is sometimes hard to make a point...or to see the point being made.

Exposing Satanic lies is a good work; be not discouraged.


16 posted on 06/05/2011 3:17:50 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: PoloSec

Thank you for your support.


17 posted on 06/05/2011 3:19:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39; LibreOuMort

Greyfoxx, I know this may not be the place for this, but FR has lost a great FReeper. Sionnsar passed away, last night, PDT, after being in a coma for a week. The details are sketchy, but his wife and two daughters need all the prayers and blessings they can get.

Would you please ping your list of FReepers and ask the Prayer Warriors to pray for his family? It has been such a hard time for them all, and they are in need of peace.

Thanks!

‘Face


18 posted on 06/05/2011 4:17:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Nothing is so bad that a good dose of chocolate can't cure it.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Corporation must be having some cash flow problems.


19 posted on 06/05/2011 4:22:53 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Monkey Face

Done.


20 posted on 06/05/2011 4:24:20 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thank you so much! *hug*


21 posted on 06/05/2011 4:25:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Nothing is so bad that a good dose of chocolate can't cure it.)
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To: CommerceComet
The Corporation must be having some cash flow problems.

10% of nothing when someone is unemployed is nothing, and billion-dollar malls must still be paid for.

I've never heard of the corporation giving anyone a hardship pass on tithing...rather, I've heard it's usually "if you pay your tithing you will find the the Lord will bless you more."

22 posted on 06/05/2011 4:28:00 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: SouthernClaire

When I was Mormon, I actually had a LDS Bishop (eqiv to pastor) call my boss (also Mormon) to verify how much money I made because he didn’t believe I was paying a full tithe when I went in for my yearly ‘tithing settlement’ meeting (required to be considered ‘worthy’).

The LDS will often proudly boast about ‘doing their part’ by payig tithing, then brag that they don’t have a paid ministry. So the money goes where?

Grace is so different, now I give as I am led (more than 10% not that it matters) and where I am led. It is a joy to know that my pastor is available for me and not overworked by having a full time ‘day job’ and a full time non paying church job’ which is what the LDS do.

I thank God every day He saved me from Mormonism and the Hell it was leading me to.


23 posted on 06/05/2011 7:09:02 PM PDT by reaganaut (Proud to be a Mormon Apostate)
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To: SouthernClaire

BTW, most LDS parents I knew made their kids pay ‘tithing’ on their allowance and money given as gifts. I knew one set of parents who had their child calculate out the cost of all birthday and Christmas gifts and pay tithing on that full amount, even if he had to do odd jobs around the neighborhood to get the tithing money (which he also had to tithe on).


24 posted on 06/05/2011 7:11:30 PM PDT by reaganaut (Proud to be a Mormon Apostate)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Do you think God has been generous to you because of your tithing? Or do you think he would have been just as generous if you gave less?

Be careful, too many Christians fall into the same trap as the LDS, that God blesses us BECAUSE of our tithe, which is the same as trying to bribe God.


25 posted on 06/05/2011 7:14:11 PM PDT by reaganaut (Proud to be a Mormon Apostate)
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To: reaganaut
When I was Mormon, I actually had a LDS Bishop (eqiv to pastor) call my boss (also Mormon) to verify how much money I made because he didn’t believe I was paying a full tithe when I went in for my yearly ‘tithing settlement’ meeting (required to be considered ‘worthy’).

Whenever an institution demands a tithe (?), it’s no longer a tithe and that crap should be illegal. Matter of fact, it is illegal. It’s extortion because they are using fear to get their damned greedy hands on the property of others. Admitted that I don’t know what a settlement meeting is, but it sounds like a case file that belongs in a prosecutor’s office rather than in a “church”.

Enough to make my blood boil first thing this morning.

My best to you, Reaganaut. I’m glad you’re out and safe in the hands of Jesus Christ.

26 posted on 06/06/2011 4:32:59 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: greyfoxx39
He wants to give us eternal life, the greatest of all His gifts (see D&C 14:7).

Sorry, MORMON; but EVERYONE gets this!

Where we SPEND it is determined by whether we've accepted the TRUE 'greatest gift': Salvation that the TRUE Christ has provided.

27 posted on 06/06/2011 4:43:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
One can readily SEE just HOIW important TITHEING is from this BIBLE passage:

Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

28 posted on 06/06/2011 4:45:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39

Money=tithing=live the laws of that kingdom(see D&C 88:22)=blessings=mormonism.

Galatians 3

Faith or Works of the Law
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

29 posted on 06/06/2011 4:52:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Monkey Face
Greyfoxx, I know this may not be the place for this, but FR has lost a great FReeper.

Bah!

ANYplace is the 'place' for prayers!

To say our squabbles can't be set aside for a moment to think and pray for others is, is... well - it ; just ain't right!

Lord; be with those who have suffered loss of their husband, father and friend. Be by their sides in these coming days, assuring them of Your presense and love.

30 posted on 06/06/2011 4:58:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Thanks, Elsie!


31 posted on 06/06/2011 6:50:52 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Nothing is so bad that a good dose of chocolate can't cure it.)
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To: reaganaut
Do you think God has been generous to you because of your tithing? Or do you think he would have been just as generous if you gave less?

Be careful, too many Christians fall into the same trap as the LDS, that God blesses us BECAUSE of our tithe, which is the same as trying to bribe God.

Obviously I can never be certain. However, I don't look upon tithing as trying to bribe God. It's a recognition that everything I have originally came from Him, and I'm showing my gratitude by putting some of His gifts to His use.

32 posted on 06/06/2011 7:02:07 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: reaganaut; SouthernClaire
I thank God every day He saved me from Mormonism and the Hell it was leading me to.

And we are too - nice to see ya pinging around here again.

33 posted on 06/06/2011 8:09:38 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Monkey Face

Let GOD be praised!


34 posted on 06/06/2011 9:17:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SouthernClaire

Sadly, several people have tried to litigate this and got nowhere. It appears that spiritual blackmail isn’t covered by the courts.

And, I am also glad God rescued me from Mormonism.

A ‘tithing settlement meeting’ is where the member goes in and discusses their tithing (complete with printout of what they gave) with their ‘bishop’ and affirms or denies that they have paid their tithing in full to the LDS church.

Can you imagine a Christian church even doing such a thing?

My giving is between me and God - no one else.


35 posted on 06/06/2011 9:25:29 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: JoeFromSidney

You can never be certain? Really? Of course you don’t see it as a bribe, but your uncertainty speaks volumes. The reasoning is “I give to God and He has to bless me because I have ‘done my part’”. That is at least the Mormon angle and I see it in Christian churches far too much.

Perhaps I am a stickler on the ‘tithing’ issue because of my Mormon background, but I don’t believe 10% is biblical.

IT IS ALL GOD’S MONEY. Showing gratitude is proper motivation, not expecting blessings. God will bless you as He will, regardless of what you do or no not give - He is God.

I give as I am led, I do not give 10% and I give where I am led.

Just be careful that you don’t assume you are blessed only because you tithe, brother.

God speed.


36 posted on 06/06/2011 9:31:36 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla

Thanks ‘zilla. I tried to stay away but Romney and his bots have to be fought so I’m back.


37 posted on 06/06/2011 9:32:39 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Thanks ‘zilla. I tried to stay away but Romney and his bots have to be fought so I’m back.

Like playing wack-a-mole.

38 posted on 06/06/2011 9:43:29 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: reaganaut
A ‘tithing settlement meeting’ is where the member goes in and discusses their tithing (complete with printout of what they gave) with their ‘bishop’ and affirms or denies that they have paid their tithing in full to the LDS church. Can you imagine a Christian church even doing such a thing?

Um. No, I can’t. It a disgrace - and that’s calling it the nicest thing I can think of - and is so far from what tithing and Christianity represent that it makes me sick. (Kinda over the blood boiling point and now just sick.)

I DO understand how people can be blinded by the light and go for it (the abuse) over the years. Hell, I could possibly fall for it had I not read the Bible and been taught differently (that God means precisely what He says - no more, no less).

Some god the LDS serve, and not one to be very proud of if he’s demanding them tithe on the tithe and then tithe on that, and if they don’t ... “well, you ain’t gettin’ no grace and blessings of mine.”

I think I’d just take my damn ball and go back home.

Back on topic of your last post, Reag, I would be interested in knowing in which states the matters were pursued and may get to sit down and take a look during the week. I know it will take some time, but I think it would be interesting to see whatever docs are floating around the Internet and get an understanding of the Court’s mind and rulings on the matter. If you happen to know where I could start, please let me know.

Best Always, (And so happy that you are saved!)

SC

39 posted on 06/06/2011 10:24:38 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: SouthernClaire

Hi SC,

The LDS don’t “demand” the tithe, they equivocate by calling it a condition of worthiness. IOW, if you aren’t a full tithe payer, you can’t get a temple recommend.

If you can’t get a temple recommend, you can’t go to the temple and take out your endowments.

If you can’t take out your endowments, you don’t qualify for the celestial kingdom (highest degree of glory) and thus, don’t get to dwell in the presence of Heavenly Father.

Although, one can always use their “free agency” to not pay the tithe...but the “conditions” do not change.

Blessings,
SZ


40 posted on 06/06/2011 10:40:29 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian

A “Condition of Worthiness.”

Oh, boy. They’ve managed to give their congregants a real mental and emotional work-over with words like that. Sounds like they’ve gotten in overtime at some of the best manipulating skills courses to be had anywhere.

Suppose that my weekly income is $1000. Now, I give to charities that I believe serve Jesus’ command to love one another. Particularly children’s shelters so that they may have clothes, school supplies, etc. These kids lack for just the basics. Sometimes it’s a matter of buying things like toothpaste and soap, if that expresses the need better. Now, if I don’t give, some child is definitely going to go without.

I will give to a person on the street in a heartbeat - regardless of where they are about to spend it because that’s not my call. But, I know that I did what was in my heart to do: give to those without.

Suppose that I give $200 that week to help the helpless, then give $50 at “church” for my tithe. Am I going to have to listen to some bishop tell me that I owe God fifty bucks? (I know already that I owe everything to Him.) Then, I reply to that bishop that I gave $200 to help the needy and so I feel that I am doing what Jesus tells me to do, and the lights have managed to stay on without the extra $50 that particular week. Is he going to tell me that the $50 is going to put a little extra distance between me and his god?

As always,

Warm Regards,

SC


41 posted on 06/06/2011 11:14:35 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: SZonian; SouthernClaire

SZ (who is also an ex-mormon who is now a Christian), they do not outright demand a tithe, but they do practice spiritual blackmail and there are often rumors that go around if you don’t tithe so ‘peer pressure’ is a factor.

SZ is correct, if you don’t tithe you aren’t ‘worthy’ to hold a temple recommend and that hurts your social standing in the church and in Utah the community because eventually it will get out.

SZ gave u the long form bus basically if you don’t pay a full 10% plus additional offerings you don’t get to go to what the Christians call heaven (the Celestial Kingdom -which is also conditional on several other ‘dos and don’ts).

I will talk to a couple of my friends who specialize in court cases against the LDS and freepmail you anything I find.


42 posted on 06/06/2011 11:26:27 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SZonian; SouthernClaire

The use of peer pressure is strong in the LDS church and ‘tithing settlement’ is just one more use of pressure (although from an authority).


43 posted on 06/06/2011 11:27:39 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SZonian; SouthernClaire

If you can’t get a temple recommend, you can’t go to the temple and take out your endowments.

- - - - - -
Not just your own SZ, but also take out the endowments for the dead (save your dead relatives) so they can get to the Celestial kingdom as well since they know the handshakes, words vows and the ‘new name’ of the wives.

Hey something just occured to me, if the endowments for the dead are taken out on a different day/temple than the sealing (Marriage), how would the ‘husband’ know the ‘wifes’ new name since him pulling her through the veil is part of the endowment.

We know there is a record of it since the same name is used for everyone in temples all over the world on a particular date, and a record is kept of what name (and the alternate) is used for every date, but the members wouldn’t know what the name was.


44 posted on 06/06/2011 11:33:36 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SZonian; SouthernClaire

Oh and one last thing, if a person is behind on tithing, even a few years, they can have their ‘temple recommend’ taken away (which is a big deal in the LDS church) and must pay back all back tithing in order to be considered ‘worthy’ again for a recommend.

The LDS church is guilty of spiritual extortion and spiritual rape.


45 posted on 06/06/2011 11:35:38 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SouthernClaire

Suppose that I give $200 that week to help the helpless, then give $50 at “church” for my tithe. Am I going to have to listen to some bishop tell me that I owe God fifty bucks?

- - - - - - -

If you were mormon, yes, especially if he knew what you did for a living and what your wages should be (most common in Utah although in many states LDS hire other LDS so general income isn’t that hard to find out).


46 posted on 06/06/2011 11:39:19 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

“The LDS church is guilty of spiritual extortion and spiritual rape.”

Concise and well-said, Reaganaut.


47 posted on 06/06/2011 11:41:16 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: reaganaut

That bit is scary. Not to mention the other cult-like behaviour of the LDS, but if someone were keeping tabs on what I earned I would run, presuming I weren’t too far into the sham.

The more I read, the easier it becomes to see why people are trapped in the LDS. Because they really are just that: victims trapped into buying God’s favors. Sheesh. What a dilemma for the LDS followers. If they stop giving out of some need for necessity, then they are put further behind in their Planet Installment Plan.

It reads like the LDS are nothing short of a den of thieves who are repeatedly, as you termed it, “raping” their victims every payday.


48 posted on 06/06/2011 11:55:09 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (HE must increase)
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To: SouthernClaire

You have no idea at the manipulation that goes on inside the LDS church.

check out ex-mormon.org for other horror stories of tithing and other forms of manipulation.

A lot of us get flack for doing what we do, but the truth needs to be told and our experiences need to be out there. Some people who speak out against the LDS church have even gotten death threats from LDS members (I have gotten more than one and as a result now conceal carry).

I am heartsick for those who are still trapped or left for athiesm, I rejoice for those who left and came to Christ, and I pray constantly for all of them. I am also very angry at the institution and what they do.

BTW, no one really knows what the LDS do with the tithing money. Their local clergy isn’t paid (the leaders in SLC are) and their books are not open to the public in any way.

There are a couple of books that go through the financial empire of the LDS church but numbers are hard to come by.

My church (and every other Christian church I know of) does make their books available to members at least if not the general public. There is no such transparency in the LDS.


49 posted on 06/06/2011 12:01:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

Using thuggery to receive funds kind-of negates the concept of “blessing”. (IMHO)


50 posted on 06/06/2011 12:03:38 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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