Posted on 06/16/2011 8:33:41 PM PDT by marshmallow
More news from the USCCB confab in Washington state:
As many as 100 U.S. Anglican priests and 2,000 laypeople could be the first members of a U.S. personal ordinariate for former Anglicans who want to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church, Cardinal Donald W. Wuerl of Washington reported to his fellow bishops June 15.
Cardinal Wuerl was appointed by the Vatican last September to guide the incorporation of Anglican groups into the Catholic Church in the United States under “Anglicanorum coetibus,” an apostolic constitution issued by Pope Benedict XVI in November 2009.
At a news conference following his report, Cardinal Wuerl said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if the Vatican were to establish the U.S. ordinariate by the end of the year. “I think it will be sooner rather than later,” he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...
“Acts 5:36-39”
II Thess. 2:7
Rev. 2:6
Matt. 13:33
Nah, Satan was involved the first time around, and like all Satan’s plans, it didn’t last very long...
good answer!
True, but if that relationship doesn't lead to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church then it is somewhat defective. There are good Protestants and bad Protestants, but all Protestants are injured people till they convert.
It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.[9] Nevertheless, the word “subsists” can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe... in the “one” Church); and this “one” Church subsists in the Catholic Church.[10][...]
“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”[12].
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[...][9] Cf. John Paul II, Encyclical Letter Ut unum sint, 11.3: AAS 87 [1995-II] 928.
[10] Cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 8.2.
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[12] Second Vatican Council, Decree Unitatis redintegratio, 3.4.
(RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH )
If Satan were able to reverse your "reformation," then God is allowing him to do so. Why?
On the other hand, if it is simply collapsing because of its own internal contradictions, demonstrable errors in exegesis, and ahistoricity, then no demonic powers need be involved.
Nah, God has a good answer — the ‘errors’ at the most last for a few hundred years. orthodoxy continues, under God’s grace as it always has.
Campion! Very well put! Now I understand why my college has a building named after you ;)
Those leaving the Anglican Church have problems with its endorsement of homosexual ministers, homosexual "relationships", women priests and various other theological irregularities. The Anglican communion is imploding.
Leaving that behind is the work of Satan?
I would have said the opposite.
I say the creeping acceptance of the "normality" of homosexuality amongst the mainstream Protestant churches is actually the work of Satan.
You made so much sense you’re pretty much guaranteed to get zero response ;)
I cannot see that this is anything other than a happy event. I caution all of you Latins, however, to remember that Anglicans are NOT Roman Catholics with a “High Church” accent. In fact, they are often, and probably incorrectly, called the “English Orthodox”. The fact remains that their ecclesiology and theology are far more Orthodox than Latin and even at that, it takes years before Anglican converts to Orthodoxy really begin to think and view the world around them like Orthodox Christians.
This Ordinariate can work. The Melkites are very nearly thoroughly Orthodox yet their bishops are in full communion with Rome. Just don’t expect or require too much too quickly from these good people.
Questions:
1. I take it that Roman Catholics will be able to fulfill their Sunday Obligation by going to an Ordinariate Mass?
2. Also, what if a Roman Catholic wanted to join an Ordinariate parish? Is that ok? So, if you were Catholic and moved to a new place and were looking at the local parishes, you could just as easily go the Ordinariate parish as the local typical Roman Catholic parish?
The Ordinariate will be Catholic in all things.
I should probably clarify that I don’t waste my effort considering whether non-Christ centered “religion” is applicable to my theory. Sure, by all classical definitions they are very much religions. For my part, I don’t care. Not when it comes to a discussion of salvation.
That said, I’m not going to make digs at the Protestant denominations. Were it not for a non-denominational church and later a Methodist church, I would not be where I am today. Some of the complaints against the Catholic church that caused the schism were very valid concerns. It’s unfortunate that the split resulted in the miscellany we now call Christendom, but I DO understand where a lot of these people are.
Obviously, my preference is the Catholic tradition. That is why I joined the Anglican Communion and am a practicing Catholic. That’s why I actually MEAN it when I say I “believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.” But I don’t believe that requires me to abandon our brothers and sisters who currently walk elsewhere in their search for a relationship with Christ. I just regret that they are missing out on the rich liturgy and spiritual benefit of our practices.
Of course, this is not to say that everyone who professes to be Christian, Catholic or otherwise, is truly in search of a divine relationship with Christ. Fr. McBrien is proof positive that not all who name themselves Christian truly follow Christ.
No, it is not, rather it is the will of the Lord that and as the Lord has prayed for, in John 17, that ALL Christian believers be ONE. It is simply that Christians are coming back home to Rome.
I thought that there is a part of RCIA that includes intruction for those who have been baptized in other Christian churches and who desire to be recieved into the Roman Catholic Church.
Did not Jesus prayed the night before that his followers be ONE in unity, in Chapter 17 of John’s Gospel.
Well, that is the entire point, isn't it? It is not "making digs at the Protestant demominations" to say that to them.
Indeed. I went through one. There is a catechumenate track and the candidate track in the RCIA. The candidates receive the post-baptismal sacraments as needed; catechumens start with baptism.
Plus those that are going to get baptized, there is also during the last 3 weeks of Lent, special prayers said, called the scrutinies as well, before being sent off to do what is called, “breaking open” the word of God. Candidates just get called up and are sent to the breaking open or futher instruction.
If my memory is also correct, candidates are also those Catholics who did not finish up their post-baptism sacraments reception of as well.
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