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Here Come More Anglicans: Up to 100 priests + 2,000 Laypeople in U.S.
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 5/16/11 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 06/16/2011 8:33:41 PM PDT by marshmallow

More news from the USCCB confab in Washington state:

As many as 100 U.S. Anglican priests and 2,000 laypeople could be the first members of a U.S. personal ordinariate for former Anglicans who want to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church, Cardinal Donald W. Wuerl of Washington reported to his fellow bishops June 15.

Cardinal Wuerl was appointed by the Vatican last September to guide the incorporation of Anglican groups into the Catholic Church in the United States under “Anglicanorum coetibus,” an apostolic constitution issued by Pope Benedict XVI in November 2009.

At a news conference following his report, Cardinal Wuerl said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if the Vatican were to establish the U.S. ordinariate by the end of the year. “I think it will be sooner rather than later,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anglicans; convert; schism; wuerl

1 posted on 06/16/2011 8:33:43 PM PDT by marshmallow
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2 posted on 06/16/2011 8:34:58 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: marshmallow

As an Anglican (NOT an Episcopalian!) this is fine with me. Those Protestants who cannot see the difference between Rome and themselves...should go....makes it easier on us evangelicals, who actually like Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, etc...


3 posted on 06/16/2011 8:42:36 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
makes it easier on us evangelicals, who actually like Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, etc...

And here I thought it was all about Jesus.

We'll take all your good, God-fearing people. You can have all of our reprobates. Deal?
4 posted on 06/16/2011 8:45:17 PM PDT by Antoninus (Fair warning to the GOP--nominate a RINO and I'm going 3rd party.)
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To: Antoninus; AnalogReigns

I’m a God fearing guy. I’d even like to consider myself good, at least somewhat. For me, it’s all about Christ and, by extension, God. Calvin, Luther, whoever else, they’re all well and good, but I have this idea that every faithful person of any tradition or religious bent is just doing the best he or she can to have a relationship with God. At its most basic that comes down to God’s Word and Christ’s sacrifice. I exercise this desire through regular and faithful participation in the Sacraments and worship of our Lord and Savior.

And yet I’m Anglican.

Does that mean I’m a reprobate?


5 posted on 06/16/2011 8:52:37 PM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: marshmallow

Welcome home, Anglicans, priests as well as laypeople.

One of the four priests ordained at the recent ordination in my Archdiocese was an Anglican convert who then became a priest. Yes, he had a wife and family too.


6 posted on 06/16/2011 9:04:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

So far, I have seen only entire communities being accepted into full communion with the Catholic Church. Is there any help for individuals? Specifically, I am Catholic, married to an Episcopalian, (who attends Mass with his Catholic wife and children). He has expressed interest in becoming Catholic, but feels like RCIA is a bit insulting after having gone to religious studies (a lot!) while growing up.

Any google search I do turns up blank. Do any of the Catholic Freepers know any more?


7 posted on 06/16/2011 11:58:45 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: HushTX; Antoninus; AnalogReigns
Nope, you aren't by any means a reprobate. Antoni was telling Analog about giving all the reprobates to the ECUSA

Since you believe in the True Presence, in Baptism for the Remission of sins and in the orthodox faith, you are by no means anywhere near the same as the ECUSA

The problem is that many see "Anglican" and only have heard of the ECUSA, sadly.

8 posted on 06/17/2011 12:03:07 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag; Salvation; Mad Dawg; BenKenobi

God be praised for the conservative Anglicans!


9 posted on 06/17/2011 12:03:45 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Explorer89

Hi Explorer89,
May I suggest (depending on where in MD you are) that getting with either of these gentlemen’s offices might be a first step to learning more? I’m sure they’ll know where to turn. God bless,
sayuncledave

Diocese of Baltimore MD- Diocesan Parishes
His Eminence William Cardinal Keeler
320 Cathedral St St #1
Baltimore, MD 21201
http://www.archbalt.org/

Diocese of Washington - Diocesan Parishes
His Eminence Theodore E. McCarrick
5001 Eastern Ave
Hyattsville, MD 20782
http://site.adw.org/


10 posted on 06/17/2011 2:45:42 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: sayuncledave

Thank you so much for your reply! We are actually in the Diocese of Wilmington (DE).


11 posted on 06/17/2011 2:54:43 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Explorer89

Here’s some information that may be useful, if he’d like to be a part of the Ordinariate:

http://www.theanglocatholic.com/moving-forward/

If he’d just like to join the Church without being in the Ordinariate, I’d suggest contacting a local priest whom you trust about private instruction without RCIA. My wife was received in the Church that way. And we managed to avoid Pre-Cana the same way. :)


12 posted on 06/17/2011 4:41:11 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

thanks! glad to know it is possible. it has now been twenty years since we DID do pre-cana. i guess it worked?


13 posted on 06/17/2011 4:53:26 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Explorer89

Has he, has either of you talked about this with your pastor?
Neither my wife nor I had to go through RCIA.

Unless your pastor is, um, less than exemplary, your husband ought to be able to come in and talk it over.

On the other hand, in our RCIA program last year we had a very learned guy who was a cleric in one of the older splinter Anglican groups, I forget which one. He didn’t make the swim, but he found that there was good stuff in the class.

We do not do touch-feely RCIA where I go to Mass. ;-)


14 posted on 06/17/2011 4:57:01 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Cronos
You talkinna ME?

Thanks!

God be praised for all those in the feelthy papist Church who took me to their collective bosom and have nurtured my faith!

15 posted on 06/17/2011 5:06:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Explorer89

Try to have your husband talk to a traditional priest who says the TLM. Many of them will meet with potential converts for private instruction. Some of these people will be determined to have sufficient knowlege and understanding to be accepted into the Church ASAP, without all the RCIA frou-frou.

I’ve seen it happen this way several times. My husband is going this route.

Regards,

PS: Good luck!


16 posted on 06/17/2011 5:20:38 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: marshmallow

Satan is succeeding in throwing the Reformation into reverse.


17 posted on 06/17/2011 5:22:37 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Explorer89

Really, RCIA is intended for the never-baptized. See if you can find a priest who can arrange for him to be catechized and received privately.


18 posted on 06/17/2011 5:27:09 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: RoadTest

Acts 5:36-39


19 posted on 06/17/2011 5:29:59 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Explorer89

When my wife and I swam the Tiber 17 years ago our RCIA consisted of a series of breakfasts and lunches with our priest. My impression was that it was his call as to how to structure our transition leading to confirmation. But ours is a fairly small (225 family) parish. In larger churches more structure may be needed due to the time demands on the priest. Whatever it takes, though, it’s sure worth it!


20 posted on 06/17/2011 5:35:21 AM PDT by Reo
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To: Campion

“Acts 5:36-39”

II Thess. 2:7

Rev. 2:6

Matt. 13:33


21 posted on 06/17/2011 5:59:31 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: RoadTest; Campion; marshmallow

Nah, Satan was involved the first time around, and like all Satan’s plans, it didn’t last very long...


22 posted on 06/17/2011 6:14:07 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos

good answer!


23 posted on 06/17/2011 6:22:04 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: HushTX
every faithful person of any tradition or religious bent is just doing the best he or she can to have a relationship with God

True, but if that relationship doesn't lead to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church then it is somewhat defective. There are good Protestants and bad Protestants, but all Protestants are injured people till they convert.

It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.[9] Nevertheless, the word “subsists” can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe... in the “one” Church); and this “one” Church subsists in the Catholic Church.[10]

[...]

“It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church”[12].

[...]


[...]

[9] Cf. John Paul II, Encyclical Letter Ut unum sint, 11.3: AAS 87 [1995-II] 928.

[10] Cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 8.2.

[...]

[12] Second Vatican Council, Decree Unitatis redintegratio, 3.4.

(RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH )


24 posted on 06/17/2011 6:23:48 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: RoadTest
None of which address my point. If your "reformation" were of God, Satan couldn't reverse it. Christians aren't dualists; Satan is not some equally powerful "evil and opposite" deity. Satan does only what God permits him to do.

If Satan were able to reverse your "reformation," then God is allowing him to do so. Why?

On the other hand, if it is simply collapsing because of its own internal contradictions, demonstrable errors in exegesis, and ahistoricity, then no demonic powers need be involved.

25 posted on 06/17/2011 6:32:26 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; RoadTest

Nah, God has a good answer — the ‘errors’ at the most last for a few hundred years. orthodoxy continues, under God’s grace as it always has.


26 posted on 06/17/2011 6:37:43 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Campion

Campion! Very well put! Now I understand why my college has a building named after you ;)


27 posted on 06/17/2011 6:43:42 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: RoadTest
Satan is succeeding in throwing the Reformation into reverse.

Those leaving the Anglican Church have problems with its endorsement of homosexual ministers, homosexual "relationships", women priests and various other theological irregularities. The Anglican communion is imploding.

Leaving that behind is the work of Satan?

I would have said the opposite.

I say the creeping acceptance of the "normality" of homosexuality amongst the mainstream Protestant churches is actually the work of Satan.

28 posted on 06/17/2011 7:15:40 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

You made so much sense you’re pretty much guaranteed to get zero response ;)


29 posted on 06/17/2011 7:30:05 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: marshmallow; All

I cannot see that this is anything other than a happy event. I caution all of you Latins, however, to remember that Anglicans are NOT Roman Catholics with a “High Church” accent. In fact, they are often, and probably incorrectly, called the “English Orthodox”. The fact remains that their ecclesiology and theology are far more Orthodox than Latin and even at that, it takes years before Anglican converts to Orthodoxy really begin to think and view the world around them like Orthodox Christians.

This Ordinariate can work. The Melkites are very nearly thoroughly Orthodox yet their bishops are in full communion with Rome. Just don’t expect or require too much too quickly from these good people.


30 posted on 06/17/2011 8:25:28 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: marshmallow

Questions:

1. I take it that Roman Catholics will be able to fulfill their Sunday Obligation by going to an Ordinariate Mass?

2. Also, what if a Roman Catholic wanted to join an Ordinariate parish? Is that ok? So, if you were Catholic and moved to a new place and were looking at the local parishes, you could just as easily go the Ordinariate parish as the local typical Roman Catholic parish?


31 posted on 06/17/2011 9:36:42 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: married21
I believe the answer to both of those questions is "yes".

The Ordinariate will be Catholic in all things.

32 posted on 06/17/2011 9:50:31 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: annalex

I should probably clarify that I don’t waste my effort considering whether non-Christ centered “religion” is applicable to my theory. Sure, by all classical definitions they are very much religions. For my part, I don’t care. Not when it comes to a discussion of salvation.

That said, I’m not going to make digs at the Protestant denominations. Were it not for a non-denominational church and later a Methodist church, I would not be where I am today. Some of the complaints against the Catholic church that caused the schism were very valid concerns. It’s unfortunate that the split resulted in the miscellany we now call Christendom, but I DO understand where a lot of these people are.

Obviously, my preference is the Catholic tradition. That is why I joined the Anglican Communion and am a practicing Catholic. That’s why I actually MEAN it when I say I “believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.” But I don’t believe that requires me to abandon our brothers and sisters who currently walk elsewhere in their search for a relationship with Christ. I just regret that they are missing out on the rich liturgy and spiritual benefit of our practices.

Of course, this is not to say that everyone who professes to be Christian, Catholic or otherwise, is truly in search of a divine relationship with Christ. Fr. McBrien is proof positive that not all who name themselves Christian truly follow Christ.


33 posted on 06/17/2011 10:43:00 AM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: RoadTest

No, it is not, rather it is the will of the Lord that and as the Lord has prayed for, in John 17, that ALL Christian believers be ONE. It is simply that Christians are coming back home to Rome.


34 posted on 06/17/2011 12:52:56 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Campion

I thought that there is a part of RCIA that includes intruction for those who have been baptized in other Christian churches and who desire to be recieved into the Roman Catholic Church.


35 posted on 06/17/2011 12:55:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cronos

Did not Jesus prayed the night before that his followers be ONE in unity, in Chapter 17 of John’s Gospel.


36 posted on 06/17/2011 1:00:06 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: HushTX
I just regret that they are missing out

Well, that is the entire point, isn't it? It is not "making digs at the Protestant demominations" to say that to them.

37 posted on 06/18/2011 11:06:50 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Biggirl; Campion
there is a part of RCIA that includes intruction for those who have been baptized in other Christian churches

Indeed. I went through one. There is a catechumenate track and the candidate track in the RCIA. The candidates receive the post-baptismal sacraments as needed; catechumens start with baptism.

38 posted on 06/18/2011 11:10:58 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Plus those that are going to get baptized, there is also during the last 3 weeks of Lent, special prayers said, called the scrutinies as well, before being sent off to do what is called, “breaking open” the word of God. Candidates just get called up and are sent to the breaking open or futher instruction.


39 posted on 06/18/2011 11:32:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: annalex

If my memory is also correct, candidates are also those Catholics who did not finish up their post-baptism sacraments reception of as well.


40 posted on 06/18/2011 11:33:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: annalex

There is something to be said for presentation. I notice a lot of people on this website are incredibly rude and sometimes hostile to FReepers of other denominational persuasions.

The Catholics do that to the protestants. The protestants do it to the Catholics.

It’s an age old story, one that will likely not end for quite some time. But that doesn’t make it any less annoying.


41 posted on 06/18/2011 11:38:15 AM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: HushTX

I am hostile to the heresy of Protestantism, as I must. It might be seen as personal, but I have no control of how others imagine my disposition to be.


42 posted on 06/18/2011 11:43:24 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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