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Southern Baptists decline in baptisms, membership, attendance
Florida Baptist Witness ^ | 12 Jun 2011 | Staff

Posted on 06/25/2011 11:16:05 PM PDT by Cronos

The number of baptisms in the Southern Baptist Convention in 2010 fell by nearly 5 percent, according to the Annual Church Profile (ACP) compiled by LifeWay Christian Resources in cooperation with Baptist state conventions.

Southern Baptist churches reported 332,321 baptisms in 2010, down from 349,737 in 2009, which represents a 4.98 percent decline. Total membership in 2010, reported at 16,136,044, represents a 0.15 percent decline from 2009 and is the fourth straight year of decline.

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“As we look upon fields white unto harvest, we should be ever aware that it is critical that we proclaim Christ to our neighbors and those we come in contact with on a daily basis,” he added. “It is critical for our churches to not just get people in the door, but to also train them and disciple them in how to share their faith.

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This is sad. It's not good when a conservative denomination declines.
1 posted on 06/25/2011 11:16:12 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

“It is critical for our churches to not just get people in the door, but to also train them and disciple them in how to share their faith.”

Maybe that’s why we had Rick Warren, head clown, headlining at the SBC circus this year.


2 posted on 06/25/2011 11:27:16 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Cronos

My prediction is that as they become less conservative they will decline even more..


3 posted on 06/25/2011 11:44:58 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Seems that America is declining faster than expected. Wonder if Rome happened the same way...


4 posted on 06/26/2011 1:20:05 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That would be my question-where are they going to?


5 posted on 06/26/2011 2:00:03 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: tanuki; SWAMPSNIPER
That would be my question-where are they going to?

To another conservative Protestant church.
6 posted on 06/26/2011 2:15:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: tanuki
I walked out of the Methodist church over 40 years ago when the pastor started raising funds for gun control and more to build a field hospital for the Viet Cong, from the pulpit.

I've been a religious loner since.

Once the downward spiral gets going it can't be stopped. The herd instinct is too strong in too many people.

About all you can do is deny them your support.

7 posted on 06/26/2011 2:17:17 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

If you look back over 200 years of religious history in the US...it has been a continual interest of churches to mess around with US politics...for or against. I think this is the reason why so many varieties of churches exist today....to meet the various religious and political motivations of society.


8 posted on 06/26/2011 2:22:29 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Cronos

SBC probably losing to non-denominational groups.


9 posted on 06/26/2011 2:24:41 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Cronos

Well it’s not like Catholics, the SBC only baptizes adults, and they have to be “true believers” and profess a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ” and all that before they’re allowed to be baptized, so I don’t see how assume less baptisms mean less members? What do they consider households where they have 8 kids under 18 coming with them to church, are the kids not considered “members” of the church? Confusing.


10 posted on 06/26/2011 2:47:59 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Cronos

Doesn’t your bible say something like a time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine? Maybe their doctrine is too sound. Look on the bright side.


11 posted on 06/26/2011 3:04:45 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: tal hajus
Doesn’t your bible say something like a time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine? Maybe their doctrine is too sound. Look on the bright side.

If that makes you happy to think that, you go right ahead.

12 posted on 06/26/2011 3:08:34 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: BillyBoy

The SBC doesn’t just baptize adults, they baptize children and teens but they try to make sure that the children involved have reached an understanding of what baptism and their personal salvation is all about. Many SBC pastors will speak of “reaching the age of accountability” when a children starts to understand right from wrong and can personally distinguish the pull of conscience....yay or nay. The ancient Hebrews (and Jews after the first diaspora) established that “age” as being around 12 or 13 years old.


13 posted on 06/26/2011 3:27:17 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Applied Christianity;a study in spiritual fiber optics connecting God's love to man!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
My prediction is that as they become less conservative they will decline even more..

Yep, when they get away from Biblical principals and start trending with current social mores they will rot from the inside. My non-denominational pastor says that it is the Church's job to educate and conform society to God's Will, not to conform itself to society. That's why I went nondenominational - purely Bible-driven without all the religious (man-driven) interpretations.

14 posted on 06/26/2011 3:36:00 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: tal hajus

true


15 posted on 06/26/2011 3:44:44 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: verga

Thx.


16 posted on 06/26/2011 3:48:04 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: trebb
it is the Church's job to educate and conform society to God's Will, not to conform itself to society.

True. it is our job to stand up against baby-murderers and gay marriage activists, against those trying to laicize our society

17 posted on 06/26/2011 3:53:36 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: tanuki

Speaking as a Baptist, most likely to more conservative, independent Baptist churches. I suppose some may be going to more liberal Methodist churches as well. Typically Baptists only consider other Baptist churches.


18 posted on 06/26/2011 4:57:27 AM PDT by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: Cronos

I walked out of a Baptist church last week because the service was more like Disneyland than church!


19 posted on 06/26/2011 5:15:32 AM PDT by Bull Man
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To: Cronos

Southern Baptists aren’t conservative, imo.


20 posted on 06/26/2011 5:18:17 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: tal hajus

You call Rick Warren (and his cohorts) sound doctrine?


21 posted on 06/26/2011 5:21:19 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: Bull Man

in what way? The choir?


22 posted on 06/26/2011 5:30:51 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Ping.
(Just want to keep abreast of other opinions on this slide)


23 posted on 06/26/2011 5:33:52 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; dangus
Southern Baptists aren’t conservative, imo.

That's a shock to me. I've not seen anything to the contrary -- why do you say this?

24 posted on 06/26/2011 5:38:32 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Haven’t the SBs been pushing amnesty ?

I’d leave a church over that, in a heartbeat.

And I’m Baptist (just not SB).


25 posted on 06/26/2011 5:41:10 AM PDT by Reagan69 (First they came for Sarah Palin and conservatives said nothing...)
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To: Verbosus

Self quote:
“(Just want to keep abreast of other opinions on this slide)”

Since I can’t edit, I would like to say “percieved slide in membership/attendance”


26 posted on 06/26/2011 5:44:58 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Is warren a baptist? Is his pap being taught in baptist churches? Is his doctrine baptist doctrine? Why he was invited is a question that needs to be asked of others. My dads family is baptist and according to what they believe warren is not sound at all. From what I’ve read of the bible I would have to agree.


27 posted on 06/26/2011 5:49:52 AM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: amishman

That’s what I was thinking, too. Thanx!


28 posted on 06/26/2011 7:42:46 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Reagan69; amishman; tanuki

I don’t know — have they?


29 posted on 06/26/2011 8:01:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

I attend Independent Fundamental Baptist. SCB are not conservative to us. http://www.swordofthelord.com/indbaptmovement.htm


30 posted on 06/26/2011 9:51:34 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: tal hajus

Warren is not a Baptist, afaik. Sorry, if I implied that. But many SCB have taken on his style of ministry ~ contemporary, rock music in the service, etc.


31 posted on 06/26/2011 9:59:02 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: Bull Man

I’ve done that myself over the past few years in looking for a new church in Washington and Florida.


32 posted on 06/26/2011 10:01:46 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: tanuki

I went to the Catholic church, which felt like home.


33 posted on 06/26/2011 10:02:24 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Warren was raised Baptist and received his under-grad and graduate degrees from Baptist institutions.

I thought I recently saw him in an interview where he said he was a Baptist.

34 posted on 06/26/2011 11:25:20 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

Wikipedia also says Saddleback is affiliated with SBC.


35 posted on 06/26/2011 11:26:52 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Ah, ok, thank you, that was an informative website
Aren’t All Baptists the Same?
No, all Baptists are not the same! Not by a long shot!

We obviously have common roots, a common heritage, but along the way things have happened, and some Baptists have shifted their principles and their practices. So in reality they are no longer the same.

What’s the Big Deal Between SBC and Independents?
Under the conservative leadership, many, many thousands of SBC-affiliated churches have signed up for the Rick Warren and Bill Hybels style of contemporary ministry. Literally thousands of them are now fully “contemporary” (rock bands, etc.).

Under the conservative leadership, Calvinism is making strong inroads.

The Southern Baptist Convention of 2008 has a growing problem with five-point Calvinism!


36 posted on 06/26/2011 2:22:30 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Where are they going if they are not attending SB churches?


37 posted on 06/26/2011 2:28:20 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You can always come to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

We welcome you. Check us out!


38 posted on 06/26/2011 2:30:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

“It is critical for our churches to not just get people in the door, but to also train them and disciple them in how to share their faith.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah! Their kids will really learn how to do that while attending godless government schools, learning to think and reason godlessly in these schools, and then working on godless homework after school.

So?. Why are so many Baptist kids sitting in godless schools? ( Just wondering.)


39 posted on 06/26/2011 2:32:09 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: KYGrandma

And we welcome you.


40 posted on 06/26/2011 2:34:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wintertime

homeschooling is difficult unless one parent stays at home. You mean why aren’t there Baptist schools?


41 posted on 06/26/2011 2:41:28 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Salvation

We were run out of Switzerland in 1749 for being Lutheran and while I don’t exactly hold a grudge I would have a lot of ancestors spinning in the grave, LOL.


42 posted on 06/26/2011 2:46:08 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: KYGrandma

Funny, so did I!


43 posted on 06/26/2011 3:04:49 PM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: Cronos

My SBC church baptized 129 people last Sunday.


44 posted on 06/26/2011 3:05:39 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Cronos

.015% decline in these times is not a cause for alarm.


45 posted on 06/26/2011 3:08:02 PM PDT by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: tanuki; KYGrandma

And I came back to the Catholic Church after hanging with the Baptists for a while.


46 posted on 06/26/2011 3:29:07 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Cronos
Why doesn't every **Christian** church ( not just Baptist) run a tuition-free school for its members’ children? Oh!....And I am NOT convinced that they can't afford it. If members really cared about the eternal souls of their congregation's children they would volunteer if necessary.

By the way, the Kansas City Catholic Church diocese manages to offer tuition-free K-12 schooling to **all** of its children. They can't be all that rich or special. What are they doing that other Christians can't do?

Obviously, a Christian's **most** important and urgent mission field is that of his own children. The next most important mission is the children of his congregation. Honestly...I find it discouraging to read posts about declining Christian membership ( regardless of the denomination) and then drive by empty and unused church buildings during the week.

Hm?....I wonder how many ministers have spouses that are government teachers? How many government teachers and school employees and their families are sitting in the pews. Gee! Could it be that ministers are afraid to bite the hand that puts money in the collection plate?

47 posted on 06/26/2011 3:29:16 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Cronos

OK, there are several things which really have to be cleared up regarding the SBC. As a life-long Southern Baptist and the daughter of a state convention employee until retirement, I probably know a little more than the average lay person in the local Baptist church about the relationship between the SBC and the local church.

Firstly, unlike any other denomination, the SBC does not have authority over the local church. In fact, a Southern Baptist church can be just that and NOT participate in the SBC — not give money, not send stats about their membership, etc... This is because the local church is autonomous. That’s why it’s so laughable when political pundits go to this “SBC leader” or that one and try to get some type of official statement on where the churches stand. There is no such thing. The SBC can make all the resolutions it wants to on the direction it thinks churches should go. Doesn’t mean anything because authority rests with the local body - the local church. In like fashion, the SBC does not, of itself “baptize” anyone - so the wording on that is laughable. Baptisms occur in the local church.

If you read the article closely it admits that more churches have decided of late to join the SBC, and also admits that state conventions have not always asked these questions in a way which would allow comparisons to be made. In my city there are ample Southern Baptist churches and they are not hurting for “membership” - though I would hope that the emphasis for them all would be where it matters: membership in the body of Christ.

As for Rick Warren, he can call himself a prune pie for all it matters, and yes, his church can “officially” join the SBC. Means nothing in relationship to the other churches and does not reflect in any way on their conservative nature - or lack of it. There is no “one voice” of the SBC except on what Southern Baptists traditionally believe. The SBC has no power to enforce anything upon the local bodies.


48 posted on 06/26/2011 4:15:46 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: wintertime; Salvation
Why doesn't every **Christian** church ( not just Baptist) run a tuition-free school for its members’ children? Oh!....And I am NOT convinced that they can't afford it. If members really cared about the eternal souls of their congregation's children they would volunteer if necessary. By the way, the Kansas City Catholic Church diocese manages to offer tuition-free K-12 schooling to **all** of its children. They can't be all that rich or special. What are they doing that other Christians can't do?

Good point

49 posted on 06/26/2011 9:12:51 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: JLLH

Thank you for that explanation


50 posted on 06/26/2011 9:18:22 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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