Posted on 07/04/2011 8:49:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
I never said or intimated any such thing. If you had said that Remigius was the FIRST missionary to France you would have no argument from me.
Cordially,
ditto for George Whitefield -- Anglican
So you think all Calvinists must be Presbyterians, eh? LOL!
Then you said "Theodore Frelinghuysen"
Not that one. The Theodore Frelinghuysen of the Colonial Period of American history.
Colonial America: a history, 1565-1776 By Richard Middleton, p. 263
Cordially,
Crickets.
(And fwiw, "A POLICE STATE" - COMPARED TO WHAT? North Korea? Present day America? Colonial America? The Papal monarchies of Europe? Do you want to compare apples and oranges for a while?)
Cordially,
Make up your mind. Is evangelism complete or is it continuous?
Cordially,
Do you deny that followers of Calvin believe in double predestination and no free will? That is, that the Calvinist belief is in a robot-making god who pre-programs robots (people) to do good or evil and predamns the pre-programmed evil robots to go to hell?
“A POLICE STATE” - COMPARED TO WHAT? North Korea —> Calvin’s Geneva compared to North Korea, interesting...
now did you mean that Calvin evangelized people to the gospel of Calvin and away from the Gospel of Christ?
Sorry, but there's no actual credible evidence to suggest that.
If you're relying on Rupert Hughes' letter to Time magazine and a paragraph in his biography of Washington as your evidence, then you will fail. Please allow me to impeach your witness.
Hughes doesn't even get his facts straight. He basically refutes two things in his letter:
1) That Washington "converted to the Baptist creed" and,
2) That Washington was baptised by John Gano at Valley Forge.
Neither of these things have been asserted, however, in the recounting of Washington's baptism by Gano.
The story relates that Gano baptised Washington in the Potomac River, not at Valley Forge, which is a good hundred or so miles away. There's no need for Gano to have been at Valley Forge since that's not where he baptised Washington anywise.
But seriously, what are little things like "facts" to a historian, I guess?
Second, nobody claims that Washington converted and became a Baptist. In fact, quite the opposite. The relation of the story makes note of the fact that Gano baptised Washington despite his not converting. This, apparently, was in charactre for Gano, however. The baptism story itself relates "...the Rev. Mr. Gano transgressed the rule of his church by baptizing anyone who was outside the pale of his own denomination, but felt that he could not draw church lines too close to the Army, and so all were baptized by immersion who desired."
Hence, Hughes is attacking a straw man position, as well as simply not having his facts straight.
On December 13, 1799, Washington (aged 67 years) was exposed to a storm of sleet and developed a cold. He rested in bed at his home in Mount Vernon, Virginia.
On the morning of the 14th at 3:00, he had a severe attack of membranous croup. At daybreak, Mrs. Washington sent for the only physician, Dr. Craik. Two other physicians also came, but all three together could not save him. Washington died between 10:00 and 11:00 that night.
About four hours before Washington’s death, Father Leonard Neale, a Jesuit priest was called to Mount Vernon from St. Mary’s Mission across the Piscataway River. Washington had been an Episcopalian, but was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church that night. After Washington’s death, a picture of the Blessed Virgin Mary and one of St. John were found among the effects on an inventory of articles at his home
George Washington had an interest in Roman Catholicism for many years. His servant Juba stated that the General made the Sign of the Cross before meals. He may have learned this practice from his Catholic lieutenants, John Fitzgerald or Stephen Moylan. At Valley Forge, Washington had forbidden during “Pope’s Day,” the burning in effigy of the Roman Pontiff. As President, Washington slipped into a Catholic Church several times to attend Sunday Mass.
However, they do not provide any hard evidence on this site which is kind of a sensationalist antiMasonic site and I didn't really see any great convincing data on any others on a quick glance, so until we come up with some better information, we may simply have to disagree as to what really happened.
Probably so. Ultimately, who baptised Washington doesn't really "prove" any religion right or wrong.
Losers resort to making it personal. I have to say, you are consistent.
Now why would you blend in my use of the word "disdain" (as to you) with my own use of the word "grateful
Nice twist. I used the word "disdain" in conjunction with your refusal to discuss your citizenship in terms of "pride". It took Michelle Obama until her husband was elected president before she could be proud of her country. What will it take for you?
That is your sickness.
Again with the loser's talk. Don't you have anything better?
Pride in a man is enmity to God.
So, being proud of your country is enmity to God? Because that's what we are talking about - pride in country, not pride in self.
And that's not even getting started on some of the wicked things this Nation has done.
If you are focused on wickedness, and not the goodness, I can understand why you have no pride in country.
Still --- the freedom that does exist (did exist?)
You seem confused.
Not "proud"
Yeah, we got that. Sad, but we got it.
Go ahead. Twist away. Twist it all into the opposite, as you have most everything else I've said to you.
No twisting necessary. I think your words speak on their own.
I'll soon be gone and won't answer.
Can we get you some help?
Presbyterians in Scotland and Northern Ireland faced immense persecution from the Anglican Church which tried to force them to adopt Anglican prayer books and to accede to control from the British crown. Presbyterian Covenanters in Scotland had to worship in secret, outdoor conventicles to escape arrest. Other branches of Presbyterianism in Scotland and Northern Ireland faced similar oppression. These Presbyterians migrated to Northern Ireland where they faced the hatred of Irish Catholics. The English landowners forced them to pay exorbitant rents; they had to pay taxes to support English soldiers; their linen and woolen trade with the Continent was destroyed by the English and they were reduced to poverty.
When they came to this country and tried to settle in New England, the Puritans burned their churches and tried to force them to pay to support the Puritan church. They then migrated to Pennsylvania where they were despised by the English settlers and the pacifist Quakers. No wonder they were such loyal backers of the American Revolution.
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