Skip to comments.Tricia Erickson: 'An indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President'
Posted on 07/08/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by delacoert
Are you of the opinion that a Mormon should never be elected President?
Yes, it is my opinion that an indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President of the United States of America. Indoctrinated temple Mormons (as Romney is) have experienced years of brainwashing and indoctrination and also have made covenants and oaths that they plainly cannot disobey.
Mitt Romney and all temple Mormons have sworn to obey The Law of Consecrationin the secret temple ceremonies which states "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at the altar, the you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in The Doctrine and Covenants (a Mormon book), in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, an everything with which the Lord has bless you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church), for the building up of the Kingdom of God on earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ex-Mormon Ed Decker reveals the penalty for disobedience that was made by Mitt Romney (and all temple Mormons) at the time he took out his temple endowments: The "execution of the penalty" for disobedience was demonstrated "by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side."
(Excerpt) Read more at inthearena.blogs.cnn.com ...
But... WHY not??
It says, right here in their SCRIPTURES:
And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.
An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statementswas published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
No TR for YOU!!
Temple Recommend Question #10
Are you a full-tithe payer?
wow. I guess that whole constitutional right to freedom of SPEECH and ASSOCIATION only applies to certain people.
Speaking of WoW (the Word of Wisdom).
Did you know that the M ORMON god does NOT want his followers to be eating MEAT?
Only in cold weather or times of famine.
It must SUCK, big time, to be forced to smell the aroma coming from a GENTILE's grill on the 4th of July!
Did you know that the MORMON god does NOT want his followers to be eating MEAT?
Read it for yourself (Verses 12&13); since you appear NOT to believe an ANTI!!
|The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
© 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
Ok; now THIS is just TOO much!!
You HAVE to be kidding; RIGHT???
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
ping to above
Did SOMEone mention BLACK PEOPLE???
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said: "The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after." "He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage." "That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...." (Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.) 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said, "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder." We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."
"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Mormons have an entirely different understanding of what that means.
Mormonism was founded in Upstate New York, in an area known as the Burned Over District because of the number of revivals that had been held there over the decades. By that time, everybody in New York had been saved ten times over.
Spiritualism, mostly genteel stuff like Ouija boards and seances, was also very popular among the middle class at that time, and Joseph Smith took bits of everything, both revivalist Protestantism and 19th century New Age magic. He hired himself out to find gold by looking through a magic crystal in the bottom of his hat...
While his religion, particularly as refined by Brigham Young, seems to have been very Old Testament focused, he also picked up other concepts in the classic syncretist fashion (Mohammed did the same thing). Hence he stuck in references to things he had no doubt heard about, such as the Trinity.
But Mormonism does not have an orthodox understanding of God the Son, and the rest of its theology and cosmology is completely wacky and cannot fit into Christian theology or Christian cosmology in any way. Joseph Smith was not just another Protestant revival preacher; he was like L. Ron Hubbard, Mohammed, even Jim Jones, whose deluded minds had their own personal “revelations.”
For some reason - actually, a pretty obvious reason - a lot of these revelations involved polygamy, meaning that the head males got to live it up and have as many females as they wanted. Jim Jones also had “spiritual marriages” (which entailed sex more than anything else) with many women and even very young girls in his group.
Mormons who tell themselves that they are orthodox Christians need to be honest. I respect their sincerity because I think they have glimpsed Christianity and really want to be Christians. Yet to do so they need to renounce Mormonism, but the problem is that it is such a complete system, covering every aspect of their lives, that it is virtually impossible for them to consider this.
Well, I guess that makes him ok then! /sarc
Let’s see what a Romney presidency would actually look like then tell me you think it would be good for America:
- he’d appoint liberal federal justices, who favor abortion
- he’d sign into law cap n trade legislation
- he obviously supports government mandated healthcare
- he’d promote gay rights
- he’d raise taxes
....but he doesn’t hate whites, so that makes him ok?
This person seems to be saying that anyone who is a mormon should not have the right to practice their religious beliefs and serve their country at the same time. I personally know people who said the same thing about JFKennedy, that he should never be allowed to run for president because he was catholic. That seems to be anti-constitutional to me. CNN is happy to air views that bash any religious group that won’t lop their heads off and if it makes Christians look hateful and intolerant, well that just tickles them silly.
This author is entitled to her opinion and has the same constitutional right to freedom of expression as everyone else. And, no I don’t consider freedom of religion to trump freedom of speech, but as I said declaring that someone should not be allowed to run for president or serve as president because of their religious views is pretty messed up.
I don’t much like Romney, but that is a political thing. Democrats and Progressives annoy me.
All the exit polling showed a 94% of mormons voted for Romney.
No, she's not. Did you hear her say, "People can't be Mormon & serve in the military?" (NO!)
Did you hear her say, "People can't be Mormon & serve Congress or state legislators?" (NO!)
She was very specific to a particular office: POTUS!
And even with that, you wound up reading into her comments...
You say: ...as I said declaring that someone should not be allowed to run for president or serve as president because of their religious views is pretty messed up.
She never said Mormons could not "RUN for president" -- or shouldn't be allowed to. A very specific word was utilized there: "elected". "Elections" are the decisions of voters -- not governments!
Now, you're not trying to tell VOTERS that they HAVE to vote for cultists for POTUS, are you? Are you saying if we don't, we're "pretty messed up?"
'Known' by whom?
Seems you are trying to revive the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition. lol
It’s referred to that way in books on the history of the time, and was also known by that name to 19th century preachers themselves, who ceased going there because it had already been “burned over” and there was nobody left to go to the revivals.
It did leave people with a predisposition to follow individual preachers rather than a church, though, and that was one of the things that contributed to the success of Joseph Smith.
Personally, I think the whole question of Mormon beliefs will eventually be resolved the same way the question of admitting blacks to full membership was resolved: the president of the church will have a dream or a vision telling him to renounce certain things and accept a more orthodox theological and possibly even historical view. There are many people in the Mormon Church who would probably be very happy to hear such a revelation.
I lived in an area with a lot of Mormons, and I can see why it would be very hard for them to think of doing anything else. It was a very complete system that controlled every aspect of their lives, and in addition, if they left or even doubted the Mormon church, they would lose all their friends, their family and the whole structure of their lives. But I suspect this will be resolved in some other way, and then the Mormons will become more like the Mennonites or some other group that also has a very complete way of life and is somewhat separate, but still holds to orthodox Christianity and has that in common with other Christians.
Well, if he was, there goes' Els' attempt @ such a thing. (Now that it's come to your attention, I don't it'd pass muster of your Tribunal of the Unholy Office of the Online Inquisition). lol)
Elsie is a "he"?
You say “A very specific word was utilized there: “elected”.
Now, you’re not trying to tell VOTERS that they HAVE to vote for cultists for POTUS, are you? Are you saying if we don’t, we’re “pretty messed up?”
No I’m saying that SHE is telling the voters they CANNOT be allowed to vote for whomever they choose and elect a mormon. I did NOT say anyone has to vote for anyone. I believe people should vote for the person whom they believe shares their political ideology. YOU, however, are misrepresenting what I said and trying to start an argument. Apparently your rabid hatred of all things mormon has caused you to deliberately misunderstand my point. We shall have to agree to disagree. Good day to you.
Romney’s proabortion stance for the unborn.
And his continued activity in a church who defacto sent blacks to Hell until 1978 (and that never renouced the doctrine) and teach that Christ will return to Missouri and set up a Mormon theocracy.
Want quotes by LDS leadership?
You are very shortsighted to think Romney will be a better president just because he has an R as his affiliation. Romney is no more a republican than Obama is and I have no love or trust for either of them.
I will NEVER EVER EVER vote for Romney and if the GOP is stupid enough to make him the nominee, I’m out of the party because they no longer represent my views and values.
If we want to save this country, MAKE SURE Romney is not the nominee. Otherwise we have already lost, regardless of who the president is.
Probably not, and Mormonism and Islam have A LOT in common which would explain why Muslims are so welcome in Mormon circles like at BYU. Several articles about these similarities have been posted here. It is naive to assume Mormonism is anti-Islam.
This person seems to be saying that anyone who is a mormon should not have the right to practice their religious beliefs and serve their country at the same time.
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Not when their religious beliefs are contrary to the best for the country as Mormon beliefs are.
And there is a big difference between a Catholic and a Mormon. Catholics don’t make covenants to but the Catholic church above ALL (even the constitution). Catholics have never had oaths against the US Government, as the LDS have (clear up until 1930). Catholics do not teach that Jesus will return to Missouri and set up a Catholic theocracy (Mormons do). Catholics don’t teach that their priesthood will save the constitution (white horse prophecy).
Before you think that a Mormon can properly serve in politics I suggest you get a copy of “When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse (4th/6th generation Mormon who left), it will change your mind.
No Im saying that SHE is telling the voters they CANNOT be allowed to vote for whomever they choose and elect a mormon.
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No Christian should vote for a Mormon in good conscience. They can run (Joseph Smith ran for president in 1844), but they should not be elected. There is inherent conflict of interest there.
Been there, done that.
All I know is that America was founded by people fleeing religious persecution.
and none of them were Mormons
I Will Be a Second Mohammed
In the heat of the Missouri Mormon War of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword. So shall it eventually be with usJoseph Smith or the Sword! 
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some strikingand troublingparallels.
Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated.
Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer.
Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin. In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and charactersbut he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to correct the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the Inspired Version, in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is correcting it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural spin, both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bibleby name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophets own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered infidels, pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammeds followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammeds son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smiths followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smiths own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smiths claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
 Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230231. Fawn Brodies footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. Except where noted, all the details of this chapter  are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 579, 97129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.
 John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.89. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 67.
 Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
 Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408409.
(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)
Romney has yet to show that he is a racist
He already has
He was a Mormon for years before 1978 when the Mormons were fonally pressured by Jimmy Carter into ceasing their 150 years of discrimination towards black men and allowed them to become mormon priests..
Thats 14 years after the Civil Rights Act...
It took the mormon gods that long to make up their minds and tell the mormon “prophet” to prophecy that it was OK now to change the racist and bigotted doctrines..
Williard Mitt Romney was a racist all those previous years because of his own free will he berlonged to a religious organization that deliberately excluded men because of the color of their skin..
Seems you are trying to revive the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition.
Which one ???
Are you interested in the one the Mormon prophet Brigham Young had in the Utah Territory for 40 years ???
Why do you keep putting words in her mouth? Can you not read clearly?
She never used the word "CANNOT"!!!
I mean how could one individual keep anybody from voting for anybody they want!!!
If I said to you, you CANNOT post something...who am I authority-wise & power-wise able to stop you from posting? The same thing applies here! She would be guilty of overcommitting to a posture of authority & power she has no way to follow thru on.
If I told you that you "should not" -- or I "recommend or suggest or encourage" that you don't do something...that is NOT the same thing as your claim that she was saying you CANNOT do something.
And here you go & do this right after I rebuked you openly for doing the same thing in a previous post! You've gotta a LOT of online nerve -- and no credibility.
In post #113, you twice put words in her mouth there, too: First you said: This person seems to be saying that anyone who is a mormon should not have the right to practice their religious beliefs and serve their country at the same time. (When she did not)
Then you claimed, that she was trying to stop Mitt Romney from running! (When she did not say that)
I recommend to you that if you're ever tempted to gossip, don't. Even when something is clearly presented to you in writing multiple times, you get it wrong, assume the worst about the person, and then pass on whatever made-up words you've added on to their quoteable phrases!
I dare you. Go back into the interview & pull out her exact words -- and then tell us how you managed to keep garble it time after time after time!
If you have ANY sense of Christian sensibilities about you, may I suggest you give an open-ended apology to this author -- even if she never reads it.
Apparently your rabid hatred of all things mormon has caused you to deliberately misunderstand my point.
No, I don't "hate" Mormons -- rabidly or any other way. But if you feel you have to judge the inner motives of complete strangers, may I suggest that you apologize for that as well? (Or do you have a Ph.D. in inner judgmentalism? May I see your license?)
Fine - but mormons dont believe in the God of Abraham. They believe in millions of Gods that inhabit their own planet.
Im not suggesting that one should only vote for candidates that are of the same denomination. Im saying that anyone who has been deceived into believing any wacky religion like Scientiology, Branch Davidians, Mormonism, etc., lacks discernment and therefore doesnt have the qualities to be a president.
1- but mormons dont believe in the God of Abraham.
More disinformation about the LDS folks like you feel free to spout your falsehoods
Patriarchal blessings are given to worthy members of the Church by ordained patriarchs. Patriarchal blessings include a declaration of a person’s lineage in the house of Israel and contain personal counsel from the Lord. As a person studies his or her patriarchal blessing and follows the counsel it contains, it will provide guidance, comfort, and protection.
Declaration of Lineage
A patriarchal blessing includes a declaration of lineage, stating that the person is of the house of Israela descendant of Abraham, belonging to a specific tribe of Jacob. Many Latter-day Saints are of the tribe of Ephraim, the tribe given the primary responsibility to lead the latter-day work of the Lord.
Because each of us has many bloodlines running in us, two members of the same family may be declared as being of different tribes in Israel.
It does not matter if a person’s lineage in the house of Israel is through bloodlines or by adoption. Church members are counted as a descendant of Abraham and an heir to all the promises and blessings contained in the Abrahamic covenant (see Abrahamic Covenant).
Yup very scary folks they are....
Resty, the God of Abraham wasn’t once a man, doesn’t have a body of flesh and bones, didn’t earn his godhood through good works, and isnt’ the same God the LDS claim.
The Bible is clear that the God of Abraham was ETERNALLY God and is a spirit for starters.
pat resty, pat. I’m still praying for you.
It SEEMS that way to you?
By what objective standard are you judging me thusly?
I don't think I'd categorize it as 'success'.
Well; Delphi User isn't quite convinced of it.
Did YOU eat any grilled MEAT that day?
The Bible is clear that the God of Abraham was ETERNALLY God and is a spirit for starters
The God of Abraham is Jehovah aka Jesus Christ who once was a man and now is Eternal.
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
You vote for who you must. I don't plan on voting for evil. I will not vote for either Obama or Mitt. You see where my scruples are in the matter and why (damnation).
God was manifest in the flesh though CHRIST. God the Father (the God of Abraham) was ALWAYS ETERNAL, not once a man like us as the LDS teach.
Read 1 Tim in context resty dear.
God of Abraham is called Jahovah aka Jesus Christ.
Elohim is the Father of Jesus Christ.
The God of Abraham is Jehovah aka Jesus Christ who once was a man and now is Eternal.
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father;
and to my God,
and your God.
The Bible continues to testify to the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth:
and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
So let me clear this up for you.
Obama is “evil”.
Romney’s just not conservative enough.
He is NOT “evil”.
"Changing the definitions" as an accusation from those whop make them up whole cloth is rather amusing...
Consider it a lesson: Don't judge a book by it's cover.
Changing definitions is what the LDS do.
Elohim is not God’s personal name. Try again.
1 Tim is about CHRIST, not God the Father. God the Father, and Jesus Christ are both ETERNAL.
The LDS teach Jesus is created and God was once a Man, not what the Bible teaches at all.
Define ETERNAL for me resty? A ‘really long time’ or ‘without beginning or end’?
NO, Romney is evil as well. Very evil and a lying ‘used car salesman’ to boot.
How would you construe #119?
How about an indoctrinated Muslim?
My guess is that Romney doesn’t really believe most of this stuff. I think most politicians pretend to be more religious than they are to get votes.
My guess is that Romney doesnt really believe most of this stuf
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You are kidding right? One thing about Mormons that most people don’t understand is it is an all or nothing religion, you either believe all of it or none of it.
If you are ‘active’, like Romney is, then you accept all of mormon doctrine (prophets, white horse, etc). If you don’t believe it, then you are not ‘active’, you become a Jack Mormon (like Huntsman apparently is).
Romney having a temple recommend, attending services, having gone on a mission, married in the temple, etc, is proof he believes it.
Once you stop believing part of it, the rest falls by the wayside. Been there done that. Romney is a total TBM (true blue or truly brainwashed) Mormon.
I pinged some other ex-mos as well to confirm this for you.