Skip to comments.Tricia Erickson: 'An indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President'
Posted on 07/08/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by delacoert
Are you of the opinion that a Mormon should never be elected President?
Yes, it is my opinion that an indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President of the United States of America. Indoctrinated temple Mormons (as Romney is) have experienced years of brainwashing and indoctrination and also have made covenants and oaths that they plainly cannot disobey.
Mitt Romney and all temple Mormons have sworn to obey The Law of Consecrationin the secret temple ceremonies which states "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at the altar, the you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in The Doctrine and Covenants (a Mormon book), in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, an everything with which the Lord has bless you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon Church), for the building up of the Kingdom of God on earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ex-Mormon Ed Decker reveals the penalty for disobedience that was made by Mitt Romney (and all temple Mormons) at the time he took out his temple endowments: The "execution of the penalty" for disobedience was demonstrated "by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side."
(Excerpt) Read more at inthearena.blogs.cnn.com ...
Thank you for your reply. It would lead one to strongly believe that Mormonism and Islam were both inspired by Satan himself. The average Mormon is usually a sweet and kind person. The outrage is how badly they are being misled!
Could Elsie be phonetically L.C.?
The Muslims have multi-wives so they an have hug families. The Mormons seem to do the same,or did when it was legal. They still tend to have large families. For a definite reason! In France the Muslims out populated the French. U.K. is now experiencing much the same.
It seems the Power Play is front and center of both these religion when you take the time to think about it.
The average Mormon is usually a sweet and kind person.
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That is how they usually appear to outsiders, behind closed doors and in their own circles it is more often than not the opposite. The reason is, they are constantly told never to do or say anything that might make “the Church” (not Christ but the LDS organization) look bad.
I thought most LDS were sweet, kind, moral, with ‘perfect’ families and family values. Then I joined and found out, much to my horror, that wasn’t true.
They do put on a good show for us ‘gentiles’ though. I was fooled as are many people.
Both Romney and Obama owe their allegiances to Mormon and Islam. So we’ve had enough of that! Our country was founded by and on the word of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The origins of our government were meant to be for a Christian people, but by being Christian we also have the freedom to share with peoples of other faiths. But, if followed faithfully, our government , as first devised, works for everyone!
Satan always appeals to the baser of our human inclinations. He will do anything to destroy anything and anyone that is Godly! He will begin by dividing, pitting one against the other! And if the people buy into it, Satan wins! And our amazing American way of life dies!
W#ell, apparently you saw the handwriting on the wall. Why don’t the rest of them? I can understand their handicap if they are raised in the Mormon church, but adults converting should surely be alarmed at what they learn!
Oh, and that is another similarity between Mormon and Islam....the7y are both patriarchies in the extreme.
For the Mormons, polygamy is still "legit."
'Tis all a mere matter of "time" and "place."
Place: Mormons claim they've merely "moved" polygamy to Kolob and thereabouts, where it's still being practiced. (So they are claiming to have colonized it).
Time: The Mormons say they are bringing it back to Planet Earth. See Bruce McConkie, Lds "apostle," Mormon Doctrine book. From the 1966 version, p. 578: "Obviously the holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man the ushering in of the millennium."
For some reason, whenever you hear a Mormon spout polygamy as being a "yesteryear" thing, they ne'er seem to get 'round to citing this McConkie quote above.
Can you say...?
...not telling the whole story?
...leaving vital Mormon prophecies out of the pix?
...denying one thing while their leaders have been teaching another?
And yet they have the absolute gall and nerve to continually quote in their published articles that they need to "correct public misunderstandings" about the Mormon faith...with polygamy usually making it #1 on the list.
Tell you what: Show me some Mormon leaders who have PUBLICLY corrected the 1966 McConkie version with specific rebukes or corrections, and then we'll start considering their nonsense ad nauseum about "public misunderstandings" of Mormonism.
It gets downright insulting to our faces when Mormon leaders and Mormon grassroots think we don't know how to read entries of "plural marriage" in their published books -- like the one I have in front of me I just quoted above!
That's a good question; I suppose; but I have no idea what you are getting at.
Pointedly Precise Prophetess
Colifornian used the pronoun “he” when referring to you.
Their GOD did not change IT's mind!
Their SCRIPTURES have NOT been superceded!
HE sure did!
Are you flirting with me? :-)
How would you construe #119?
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I saw it as a little joke between two friends. Both are members of the Flying Inmans here on FR and they all tend to make inside jokes and references.
I suspect, Colo was teasing Els about his rep around here with some of the Mormon apologists.
I was a teenager when I converted and a young adult when I left and it was still difficult. Typical of most cults, knowledge is given a bit at a time. The LDS refer to this as ‘line upon line, precept upon precept’. It is part of the brainwashing and this slow feeding along with the covering up and whitewashing of their history means many LDS don’t really know much beyond what is taught in thier Sunday school classes. In that way, the internet has been invaluable in order to get the truth to the LDS and has led to a large number of people leaving Mormonism every year.
The other thing they do, is the LDS is very good at coming up with pat answers to any objections and couple this with a constant persecution syndrome and repetitive teaching that anyone who says anything slightly critical of Mormonism is an ‘anti’ who is lying, exaggerating, taking things out of context, or in it for the money. Finally, they are not encouraged to think for themselves, but rather trust what their leaders and Mormon apologist say on face value without examining it for themselves, the same way they dismiss anything an ‘anti’ might say.
When I started questioning what I was being told, and researching in an attempt to prove the ‘anti’s’ wrong, I was warned over and over again against ‘thinking myself out of the church’, and there is a lot of pressure on that front.
Well, while I am Christian and religious, I just have a different (much less active) role for Satan than you do, but I believe we are on the same page.
I believe that it is all pretty much left up to us to decide “right” or “wrong”. If there is too much outside influence (i.e. God, Satan) then we are merely pawns and not particularly responsible for our actions.
I guess this is the long way of saying ... I agree that Obama v. Romney = same result. =)
As a belever. I find it curious that you give Satan a less aagressive role than I do. In view of how everything is going against our God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and when we are witnessing each day growing evil in our land, don’t you think that Satan knows his timeis growing short? That he will not let go of his momentum? If he suceeds Our wondrous triune iod will be eclipsed by political means. Right and wrong were based upon Tod’s word. They teach there is no right or wrong. It would seem that Satan is nerly there!
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Only consider this: Muslims outgrew Mormonism a long time ago in the U.S. and the U.S. growth is stagnant. As I thought before, I can see their church declining out of existence with the variables currently in play.
Changing definitions is what the LDS do.
Elohim is not Gods personal name. Try again.
1 Tim is about CHRIST, not God the Father. God the Father, and Jesus Christ are both ETERNAL.
Oh stop with this charade a father is a father and the son is a son and a ghost is a ghost stop changing the meaning of words....
The God of Abraham is Jehovah aka Jesus Christ not God the Father.
In John Jesus says if you seen me you seem the Father they look a like.
You can not see a spirit but you can see a body of flesh and bones.
38 I speak that which I have seen WITH my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
enough of this foolishness
Look at all the crap on this thread; What about following the Constitution and honoring the oath of office?
Gawd, this is FreeRepublic and you’re posting like a bunch of Dummies.
What about following the Constitution and honoring the oath of office?
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Well when Romney took out his endowments (rite necessary for exaltation [salvation] in Mormonism) in the Mormon temple they still had blood oaths. This current oath still stands, doesn’t say anything about following the constitution. In fact, it specifically puts the LDS church first. Now, was Romney a liar when he took this oath, or is he a covenant breaker?
FROM MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONY
PETER: “All arise. (All patrons stand.) Each of you make the sign of the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood or Sign of the Nail by brining the left hand in front of you with the hand in cupping shape, the left arm forming a square; also by bringing the right hand is also brought forward, the palm down, the fingers close together, the thumb extended, and by placing the thumb over the left hip. This is the sign.”
“Now repeat in your mind after me the words of the covenant, at the same time representing the Execution of the Penalty:”
“I solemnly covenant in the name of the Son that I will never reveal the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood or Sign of the Nail, with its accompanying name,and sign and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken.”
(Patrons perform the action as the Officiator guides them.)
“That will do.” (All patrons sit down.)
Also, all Mormon Temple Patrons today still make an oath to sacrifice their lives and all they posses for the church:
TEMPLE NARRATOR: (All patrons stand.) “And as Jesus Christ has laid down his life for the redemption of mankind, so we should covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God.”
“All arise. Each of you bring your right arm to the square. You and each of you solemnly covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this alter that you will observe and keep the Law of Sacrifice, as contained in the Old and New Testament, as it has been explained to you. Each of you bow your head and say “yes.””
TEMPLE PATRONS: “Yes.”
ELOHIM: “That will do.” (All patrons sit down.)
TEMPLE NARRATOR: (All patrons stand.) “Each of you bring your right arm to the square. You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in this, (The Officiator holds up a copy of the Doctrine and Covenants again.), the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.”
enough of this foolishness
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I agree enough with the foolishness that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones. To claim He does is heresy and unbiblical.
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. (Col 1:15)
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. (1 Timothy 1:17)
...who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Timothy 6:15-16)
By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. (Hebrews 11:27)
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18)
And God the Father never appears in physical form.
Oh and show me where “Elohim” is God the Father’s proper name.
Momronism spin placemarker
I like to usually know a little more about a person before that occurs.
Glad to see your stenographer is back at work, typing for you, Restornu.
At least now we can understand the ENGLISH, even if we are baffled by the logic.
What about following ALL the MORMON scriptures and honoring the covenants made in the TEmple?
I hope all you TR holding MORMONs are NOT eating meat - in direct violation of your GOD's request!
Wallow in your spirited hatred and let it consume you and guide you through life. It’s your focus, so be it.
sigh You bigots continue to reinforce the reason that I stopped going to church.
What hatred and bigotry. All I do is speak the truth and try to help those still stuck in the cult of Mormonism. I used to be Mormon, which is how I know it isn’t Christian. How is speaking the truth bigotry? You sound like a liberal.
And so you threw away Christ because of people? How sad. I’ve dealt with people who claimed Christians who were hypocrites, or who offended me. That doesn’t keep me from worshiping Him and being part of a congregation.
My focus is keeping people from joining Mormonism and getting Mormons to see the problems and heresies of Mormonism. That is my DUTY as a born again believer, to tell others about salvation through grace not works. I expect the unsaved to see that as bigotry, but it is what Christ has called me to do and I do it BECAUSE He saved me and freed me from Mormonism.
(Watch. Some moron will interpret that as supporting some particular liberal Mormon guy - as if!)
Yeah, it always seems like we have a cult obssessed with another, which lends to the question. What’s worse, any given cult, or the cult that is so obssessed with it? I would say that the latter is worse.
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You are kidding right? One thing about Mormons that most people dont understand is it is an all or nothing religion, you either believe all of it or none of it. If you are active, like Romney is, then you accept all of mormon doctrine (prophets, white horse, etc). If you dont believe it, then you are not active, you become a Jack Mormon (like Huntsman apparently is). Romney having a temple recommend, attending services, having gone on a mission, married in the temple, etc, is proof he believes it. Once you stop believing part of it, the rest falls by the wayside. Been there done that. Romney is a total TBM (true blue or truly brainwashed) Mormon. I pinged some other ex-mos as well to confirm this for you.
You could be right. I am no expert on this. I know that most politicians attend church much more often once they are in the public eye. I know that 6% of the people in the USA are atheist/agnostic/non-religious, but no mainstream politician admits to this because of the votes they would lose. I have one good friend who is a Mormon, but other than conversations with him I admit I know very little about the Mormon religion so I could be wrong about Romney
I was Mormon for several years, my faith in Mormonsim fell apart in a matter of weeks, once I found a hole (in my case the Book of Abraham), then Smith being a prophet was next, then his revelations, then the Book of Mormon, then the modern prophet.
One poster who used to post on the threads in the Relgion forum, lost his faith in a matter of 3 HOURS after he decided to prove the ‘anti mormons’ here on FR wrong about a quote.
SZ, another ex-mormon who is now a born again believer, also left Mormonism rather quickly, but I am not sure how long it was for him. (courtesy ping SZ).
You are right about politicians who head to church more often when running, but in this case, with Mormonism, I think the better option would be to follow Huntsman and distance himself from Mormonism. The fact that he is ‘active’ (LDS term for attending, believing member) says a lot about how much he believes it, because if he didn’t then he wouldn’t take the risk of it being a handicap in his election (which it is).
Part of why he is running is directly related to his Mormonism. He believes he is the fulfillment of a prophecy of Joseph Smith, and also sees that a Mormon president would do a lot to stop the hemorrhaging of members the LDS has been dealing with the last 10 years (by their own admission they are at 0% growth and that includes those born into the LDS church).
Oh, what fertilizer.
I believe that it is delusional to think that you are doing God’s work while thinking that the other people are evil. Your duty? ding-dong.
If acts are not important, why are you engaged in acts against the belief of others?
I went to high school with a mass murderer, who tortured some twenty people to their death. Now you try to throw this risible argument into the mix that Acts aren’t the defining element in life? The misery he brought into the lives of hundreds of people is inexcusable; it is evil.
Do you believe that if he had accepted Christ as his savior before his execution that he would be in paradise? If so, what are they, the TEN SUGGESTIONS?
Acts matter, no matter what your theology or what religious club you claim as your own.
If you think Mormons are THE evil in this world we have a serious disagreement. I cannot imagine God, on judgement day, saying that fighting Mormonism, or Catholicism (remember the Spanish Inquisition), or Buddhism, was the great cause of a free people, while abortions, murders, theft and terrorism continue. Oh, those are acts, they don’t count.
It is not delusional, it is BIBLICAL. If acts are not important, why are you engaged in acts against the belief of others?
Works do not save, and it is called EVANGELISM. Do you believe that if he had accepted Christ as his savior before his execution that he would be in paradise? If so, what are they, the TEN SUGGESTIONS?
Yes, I do, the thief on the cross didn't have time to do any good works yet Christ was saved. BTW, Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Christ in prison and became a Christian. He is now in heaven regardless of the crimes he committed because he repented and accepted Christ. God forgave him. You really don't get grace do you? Acts only matter as a way we show that WE ARE ALREADY SAVED, not in order TO BE SAVED. The Ten Commandments are a guideline for the JEWS. Under the new Covenant we only have two commandments - Love the Lord and Love your neighbor as yourself. That encompasses all of the decalogue and many other things. I am grateful that people denounced Mormonism to me and debated me and got me to see the light. I love Mormons enough (as myself) to tell them the truth. You don't get God either, God is more concerned with souls than he is with terrorism. So come judgement day, he will as you what YOU did to bring people to him, not did you vote conservative, stop theft or fight terrorism. I can see why you don't go to church, you don't get it.
OK, Loud Mime, you may not think what Reaganaut herself is doing is "evil," but that it's somehow either improper, "wrong" or both. So please explain the distinction you'd make: How would it be "delusional" for Reaganaut "to think" she is "doing God's work while thinking that the other people are evil"...but apparently it's not "delusional" for you to act vs. another's beliefs (Reaganaut) -- all while thinking she is improper or wrong?
If acts are not important, why are you engaged in acts against the belief of others?
Well, since you asked this Q of Reaganaut, I supposed I'd like to see you answer it for yourself...since you seemed to be engaged in acts against the beliefs of others (Reaganaut's beliefs).
Why are you engaged against the beliefs of others (Reaganaut) if that's a vital Q to you?
Obama’s agenda is to destroy America.
The fact you’re unwilling to acknowledge the difference between he and Romney, speaks to your judgement and your bias.
So, go focus on your tin foil hat convention, where your like minded friends are gathered, and leave me alone, as I am through here.
The fact youre unwilling to acknowledge the difference between he and Romney, speaks to your judgement and your bias.
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THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ROMNEY AND OBAMA, they have the same polices.
The fact that you can’t see that makes me think you aren’t a conservative at all.
No tin hat here, sorry. Just the facts and my personal experience. I know Romney and I know his worldview and this country is dead if he wins the nomination.
I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character
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So why aren’t you judging Romney on HIS character?
Hang around; you'll learn a LOT about MORMONism on FR, and the KNOWLEDGE comes DIRECTLY from MORMON sources!
Well; SOME things in MORMONism can NEVER be learned: such as, "What did Joseph Smith LEARN to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism of his day?"
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother, I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
Ping to above
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, Lord, do not hold this sin against them. When he had said this, he fell asleep.
1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lords disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?
5 Who are you, Lord? Saul asked.
I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting, he replied. 6 Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.
7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, Ananias!
Yes, Lord, he answered.
11 The Lord told him, Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.
13 Lord, Ananias answered, I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.
17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, Brother Saul, the LordJesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming herehas sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit. 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Sauls eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, Isnt he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasnt he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests? 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah.
The fact youre unwilling to acknowledge the difference between he and Romney, speaks to your judgement and your bias.
Did we 'know' Obama's agenda BEFORE we elected him?
Are you sure you 'know' Romney's before HE is elected?
“Did we ‘know’ Obama’s agenda BEFORE we elected him?”
1-He was the most liberal Senator
2-His autobiography spoke of his disdain for America
3-His mentors were communists and terrorists
4-His writings were hidden
I’m sure Romney is NOT the anti-American that Obama is.
In short, I agree. Romneys loyalty is NOT with America when it is in conflict with the Mormon Church.
I will never vote for him even if I have to write in.
...than it seems you would have sided with King Herod when they feared in their day the birth of Jesus Christ and sent out his soldiers to kill all baby boys under the age of two because Herod feared Jesus would grow up to be King
What the ignorance King Herod & people did not understand it was not for this temporal earthly kingdom.
Same with the covenants the LDS makes with the Lord is to keep His commandments the same covenants the LDS strive to keep which makes them good neighbors
There is only one King, Lord Jesus Christ whose Kingdom is not of this world!
...sadly many will still continue to embrace disinformation
about the LDS!
If I was the Lord and the day you had enough living under Babylon and came knocking on Zion door I would make you wait for a long time before letting you & the antis who daily verbally flog the LDS and by your very actions hinder building up the Kingdom of the Lord in preparations for His return.
But I am not the Lord and whatever he has in store for those like you is better than I could imagine!
Come To Zion While Babylon Falls