Posted on 07/14/2011 5:36:29 PM PDT by wmfights
If you want to have some fun with the conversation... remind them that Issa (Jesus) is a prophet of Islam so His words are true. Invite them to recite the Lord's Prayer...
They will cover their ears in protest at the first words (if they don't get outright violent). God as our Father is blasphemy in Islam. Rather, Allah is a slave master and a great deceiver of the infidel... and I've heard about that guy before!
Are you going to deny that most Protestant theology says that God saw our sins on the Cross and (because He can't look on sin) turned His Back on Christ? Isn't that what is taught about "My God, My God. Why have You abandoned Me?"
I agree, the Bible doesn't have a direct chapter and verse for this... what do you think based on your reading, training and discernment?
I have reminded muslims that Jesus is a prophet and asked if in islam are prophets liars. The argument they offer is of course "NO prophets are not liars", but the Christian Bible is corrupted and can't be trusted. Actually this opens a great discussion about why Christians know the Scriptures are the inerrant word of God.
Oh, I know. I have had (seemingly) productive conversations with Muslims. My post was a little tongue-in-cheek as far as a strategy... but accurate in its description.
>> “HOW CAN ONE MAN PAY FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER?” <<
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Simple: He has to be sinless himself.
No human but Christ has been sinless.
You would not tell another of the Salvation you possess? Is there something bad about ‘evangelizing’? Is not Good News something that should be told? Especially to those we love? And, are we not commanded to love all?
I have heard that teaching. But I have also been taught another--
In the time of Jesus, Scripture did not have the chapter and verse designations we have today. Thus, in order to refer to a passage of Scripture, you would recite the first few words of it.
Psalms 22 is the passage to which Jesus was referring to when on the cross. Read the Psalm--it fits quite well with the situation.
I respectfully suggest that YOU might want to read the article. All the way through, the writer quotes the Scriptures, and then the Koran, and clearly places them on an equal footing. He pronounces no distinction between them, whatsoever.
Toward the conclusion, he winds up the article by extensively quoting the Koran, and clearly giving it equal veracity with the Scriptures, by failing to state otherwise.
He never states whether he believes one over the other, or which is what. An unsaved individual could read that article and come away concluding that both books are valid, and that it doesn’t matter which you choose to follow; or even whether it matters if you reject them both and consider salvation from sin as optional or unimportant!
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Amen
I can’t find the bookmark link, so I will post a reply so I can find this post later when I have to time to read all of it. Very interesting and useful presentation. Thank you for taking the time to compose it.
It was not an assumption...I did read it in entire before I commented Wmfights. IMO Mingling Koranic teachings with the Scripture, even when trying to make a point is a very fine line to walk and few who can walk it.
The average Christian will have difficulty at best in understanding Koranic verses, for they are not even remotely close to scriptures....which are God breathed and as you know the "living" word of God. Whereas the Koran is "dead" writing...it cannot have the impact the Scriptures do when the Holy Spirit moves Gods words to the very heart and soul of an individual.... "God's word is a double edged sword".....you know the rest....and it has 'power' to overcome the false and demonic teachings of the Koran and those of the Imans who use them to justify their teachings as well as their own sick behaviors.
Additionally, Too many Christians know little enough of the Scriptures let alone intertwining it with Koranic teachings...which are often vague and indistinct, and that with purpose.......and most Muslims have to seek out their Imans for understanding,...then the Imans simply inject their own meaning to however might be advantagous for them because even they cannot discern the teachings. Thus you have Muslims differing greatly on what the Koran is teaching...confusion abounds for them...and again that is with purpose so that the Imans retain their positions of power over the people.
I think I do understand what you are attempting to do, I am just not convinced this is the way to go about it.
This short video ‘about using the Koran for witnessing’ to Muslims is worth the listen. From Alpha and Omega Apologetics Ministries , and expresses my own concerns about using the Koran as a witness tool...especially regarding the Christ of Christianity on the same level as the Christ of the Koran.
I’d appreciate any comments as I do think in Witnessing to Muslims it’s important to get it right...
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4477
don’t you ever pray for people you see sinning.
someone speeding down the freeway and weaving in and out of traffic, fox example.
Why not utter a prayer about his/her safety?
Do you pray in front of a Planned Parenthood Clinic?
Praying for the men and women who are seeking abortions would be wonderful in God’s eyes, wouldn’t it?
Have you read Abby Johnson’s book “unPlanned?”
It definitely shows the powoer of prayer.
Psalms 22 is the passage to which Jesus was referring to when on the cross. Read the Psalm--it fits quite well with the situation.
This is the teaching I was preparing to share. I have been amazed through the years at the number of people (and denominations) that believe God abandoned Christ on the Cross because "He became our sin." Most recently, this conversation came up with a Baptist friend. He was amazed to consider the perspective that Christ was never more lovable to His Father than when He was fulfilling His Father's Will on the Cross. How could God abandon Him when Christ was in the midst of fulfilling the purpose for which He had come into the world?
This is also part of the Catholic view of Christ offering the first Mass as Priest, Sacrifice and Bridegroom. His reference to Psalm 22 was giving His Homily on what His audience was witnessing--with the limited breath available to Him. Those that knew the Psalm well would take heart to know that although the Psalm begins in agony, it ends in triumph. Of course, so much was not fully understood except in retrospect...
God bless you.
I don’t know what you are seeking, but the solution is through faith in Christ and what God provides.
I believe there also is a passage in Isaiah which might answer the same question, but I have studied the topic much.
In regards to the spiritual death of Christ on the Cross, it is evidenced by the quotation, “My God, My God, Why hath Thou forsaken me?
What do you mean by “spiritual death”?
Adam died spiritually in the Garden after the sin.
The penalty for sin is death.
Death is a state of existence involving separation.
Christ died on the Cross after all the sins imputed upon Him were judged.
I need to go to bed, so I offer my post #10 as another perspective for your consideration. Good night.
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