Skip to comments.Know Mormons' beliefs before voting for them
Posted on 07/16/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
In response to whether the public should vote for a Mormon for president, one should know what beliefs a candidate had.
Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have Mormon roots and they have been vague about their beliefs and loyalty to the LDS church.
Mormon theology includes ideas like their priesthood brethren will become the government leaders, or future kings of the world, in a globalized theocracy, and that their male leaders will take over when a second coming of Christ occurs. They believe they are the pre-ordained leaders to rule over a coming theocratic kingdom.
Worthy Mormon males are temple attending, dressing in white with special learned handshakes, altar rituals, Masonic rites and gestures and do secretive activities different from normal society.
They believe they are the future gods of new worlds in a life after this one. They follow prophets with ever-changing doctrine and change their fictional "Book of Mormon" every time it is found to be un-politically correct.
Their women are taught they are good for breeding, to have large families.
A member of this cult is loyal to its church leaders and to whatever their modern prophets tell them is gospel, which changes at their will.
They claim to be Christian, but Mormon polytheism of many gods/goddesses in a hereafter, rituals that must be performed in their temples, garment wearing and works (not grace) that saves a person is different ideology.
It is debatable whether Mormons are Christians, and they have other scriptures special to Mormonism written by their leaders, not just the New Testament, like their Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon.
To learn about them and their practices, beliefs and personal character will help us determine whether they are the future leaders of Americans. Or are they really stuck in their controversial past?
No where is freedom of thought and speech so little valued as at freerepublic.com. As for me, I will support the Republican nominee, no matter who it is, in order to get Obama out of office.
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Romney IS Obama, just with an R after his name. I will NEVER vote for Romney and if he is the Rep Nominee, it shows that the Republican party no longer represents me and many others.
BTW, I wonder how JR would feel about your comment about freedom of speech and thought being little valued here. Maybe you should go pimp Romney over at DU, Chips.
Religion is a personal issue between the person and God.
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That is not biblical and also against the teachings of the Catholic church.
what are you talking about? i am mocking you. who is JR?
Only Islam and some of the human sacrifice jungle cults should be automatically dismissed from consideration.
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I disagree. This country cannot be turned around by anyone but committed conservative Christians. Mormons are not Christians.
And they prefer to spread their religon via insult and lying. Although their founder Joseph Smith did say that he would be a second Mohammed and one day it would be ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword’. I can give you the full quote if you wish.
Mormonism is a lot closer to Islam than many Americans realize, and the LDS would rather work with Muslims than Christians (as seen in Haiti). I can also give you sources for that as well.
I am as well. Praise God I have been delivered from the clutches of Mormonism.
Which is exactly why some of us, who do know LDS doctrine and teachings are so vocal here. Some are saying Romney’s religon doesn’t matter, but if he gets the nomination it WILL matter, and in a big way. It will be the forefront of the attack in the general election.
That said, most LDS will vote for a Mormon over a non-Mormon every single time. Romney will be the fulfillment of the ‘white horse prophecy’ in many minds (he already is in his own) and the LDS have been looking forward to a Mormon president ever since Joseph Smith was running in 1844.
So you don’t believe in the Biblical mandate to evangelize?
JR is the owner of this site, Jim Robinson, there will be no Romney support at freerepublic.
To show another post from the owner.
FReep U Romney and the RINO you rode in on! As God is my witness, before this is over I will ZOT every last abortionist/socialist RINO Romney supporter from this pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty CONSERVATIVE forum!!
Rebellion is brewing!!
DONT TREAD ON ME!!
99 posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:28:14 PM by Jim Robinson
Reagan had great trust in Mormons because of their ethics and lifestyle. They believe The Constitution was divinely inspired. Utah is a well run state. What else can you find wrong?
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Reagan had a blind spot when it came to the LDS. They believe the constitution was divinely inspired but written by APOSTATES who were part of the ‘whore of Babylon’. They also believe that the garden of Eden and Christ will reign from MISSOURI. I wouldn’t call Utah a well run state, it leads the country in bankruptcies and mortgage foreclosures as well as white collar crime.
A Mormon POTUS would be an absolute disaster. We don’t need any more politicians who place feelings over facts (like the LDS do). We don’t need any POTUS who is auditioning for Godhood.
i need to vote to save my country from its current downward slide. i am not worried about mormon theology politically,
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Gonna have to disagree with you here. Voting for Romney will do NOTHING to stop the current downward slide. Romney IS Obama politically.
And MOrmon theology will have a very strong impact politically.
Check out the book “When Salt Lake City Calls” by Rocky Hulse. The author makes a great case for why a Mormon POTUS would be disastrous for this country and how their theology controls their political views.
The best bet for this country is INSURING that Romney does not get the nomination or even close.
are you really that thick that you can’t understand opposition to zero is not support for romney????
you never answered my question, i’ll rephrase it. if heaven forbid, romney is the nominee against zero, will you join me and mark levin in voting for romney to defeat zero or do you not vote, which is the same as voting for zero???
Starlifter was attributing something to Ansel that Ansel did not say. He did not, in his post say Catholics were not Christians.
You keep pushing Romney on us by continuing to bring up what you see as the last ditch defense for him, ‘what if Mitt Romney wins the Republican primary’.
Here is how the owner responded to the question that you keep asking (and pushing) and which I think that I have answered.
>”Then the leftist SOB should do the right thing and just bow the hell OUT!! If you intend on supporting this socialist/abortionist POS, you should find a new home on the web. FR totally rejects Romney and any of his supporters!
FR is a pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty site and will remain such! RINOs be damned!!
If you want to surrender your freedom to the idiot that joined with Kennedy to rape Massachusetts, be my guest, but do it elsewhere!!
Rebellion is brewing!! Those weaklings who cant stomach it should bail out now!!
DONT TREAD ON ME!!
136 posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:57:54 PM by Jim Robinson “<
Kid you never said you were in the river with a boat...
You just said a boat, a leg, a decision to cut or not to cut...
OK lets make it an alligator...
Many Catholics do not seem to realized that the Catholic church teaches that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.
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Interesting note regarding this. If a person was baptized Lutheran, Methodist, Evangelical, Presbyterian, or any other Christian church as either an infant or adult, the Catholic church will accept their baptism for conversion.
However, if someone was only ever baptized Mormon, then the Catholic church requires re-baptism in order to convert.
That distinction there should make any Catholic reconsider the meme that the LDS are Christians.
When they show up at our door, I invite them over for dinner at some date. This way I have a captive audience for 2 hours (they set aside the whole evening and are always starving). I don’t let them pray and they are too polite to leave abruptly after being fed. Plus they dont’ have the excuse that they need to be somewhere else.
read my post #109 and stop with your support for romney slur.
I Will Be a Second Mohammed
In the heat of the Missouri Mormon War of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword. So shall it eventually be with usJoseph Smith or the Sword! 
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some strikingand troublingparallels. Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable.
In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer.
Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new spin. In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and charactersbut he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to correct the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the Inspired Version, in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is correcting it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural spin, both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bibleby name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophets own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered infidels, pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammeds followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammeds son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smiths followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smiths own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison,
Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smiths claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
 Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230231. Fawn Brodies footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. Except where noted, all the details of this chapter  are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 579, 97129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.
 John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.89. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 67.
 Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
 Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408409.
(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)
great idea, have you ever broken through to them?
This is your post 109.
>”Romney might lose, but it wont be do to me. Dont get me wrong, i would rather our nominee be Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, even T-Paw before Romney. You will never veto proof Senate and House, we need the presidency.”<
After post, after post, after post, after post, of you telling us that you would vote for Romney, and will vote for him if he wins the primary, and after mocking me for not being willing to do that, you are suddenly saying now that you will not vote for Mitt Romney?
i would never vote for the RINO ROMNEY in the primary. however, i will join mark levin in voting for him in the general if it is the only way to stop zero’s reelection. what would you do???????
the LDS have been looking forward to a Mormon president ever since Joseph Smith was running in 1844.
The Mormons already have a Mormon president in Barry Dunham-Soetoro
Barry’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was dead dunked into the Mormon religion in June 2008..full dunk with honors and extras that usually a living profit would get while he oshe is still alive...
Then she had “endowments” “temple thingies”, probably “marriages” to strangers.. other weird ritualistic stuff that does not relate to Christianity
and then SEALINGS to her 2 children BARRY and his sister whoseit..
making them both full temple Mormons TBMs
Now since all the Mormons recognize and believe that by dead dunking a dead person you get a new Mormon and by sealing that same dead new Mormon to his or her family members they become Mormons also, Mormons would have to denounce their own beliefs to get Barry unsealed to his Momma and unMormonized
Oh and hes in the PRIESTHOOD TOO..
a BROTHER TO TOMMY MONSON and WILLIARD MITT ROMNEY
Oh joy... tears all around
I defy any Mormon to dare say Barry is not a Mormon...
Still pushing Romney, I agree with JR, I’m not voting for Romney.
I haven’t seen anyone push him as hard as you are, in a very long time.
You don’t think a Mormon would switch party lines to vote for another Mormon? You don’t know Mormonism very well.
Mormons place their trust in other Mormons over ‘gentiles’, and that extends to voting.
One is Satanist the other is Islam.....but I repeat myself.
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And how is Mormonism different?
If you can come for air for a minute from pushing Romney, then read this old past post of mine.
“The Romney candidacy goes far beyond being unpalatable, or a bad match, or too moderate, to be our preferred candidate, Romney is a candidate that we must choose to fight even into the general election.”
yeah, i’m really pushing romney. LOL!
i am quite confident that if it came down to a choice between romney and zero, romney would get 99.9% of the FR vote. your JR quote is for the primary and i agree with him.
why don’t you man up and admit you would rather have zero as president than romney? come on, the truth will set you free!!
Is there any way to find our if Obama’s father has been made a Mormon in their voodoo fashion?
So what do we do when those who profess Christ and yet vote to fund Planned Parenthood runs against a truly pro-life Mormon?
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Assume the Mormon is lying. Sorry, been there done that, know their MO.
I WILL NEVER EVER EVER vote for a Mormon. I know too much about them. They redefine EVERYTHING in their Religion, and I’ve seen them do it in politics.
And Mormons will vote for Romney in the primary, they are conditioned to favor their own and many see this as a way to gain acceptance and converts (and they will use it that way). The leadership sees it as a way to slow down the hemorrhage of membership that is occurring and bolster their growth rate (which is currently at 0% officially and probably closer to -20% in actuality).
Mormons always have ulterior motives. I found that out the hard way, while I was training to be a Mormon missionary.
Is that true Jim? Personally, I read your posts totally different.
I used to be married to a Mormon and Ive had enough up-close-and-personal exposure to that so-called religion to know that its public façade is nothing like the mumbo-jumbo cultic behavior that goes on in private.
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Worth a repost. You get it.
And some Mormons eventually get it and get out (see tagline).
let’s review - zero is pro-abotion and will appoint every left wing pro abortion judge he can find and we will lose the supreme court for 30 years. romney is also pro abortion, but will claim to be pro life for the general and will probably appoint conservative judges, including possible replacement for ruth bader.
doesn’t seem like a tough call to me!
so if the choice is romney v. zero, you would vote for zero????
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I will vote my conscience. I will no longer hold my nose and vote and I cannot in good conscience vote for Romney. I will vote 3rd party and leave the GOP if he gets the nomination.
I’m sick of RINOS and Romney = Obama (just paler). The GOP establishment is who needs to take a hike. As I said earlier we need to make sure Romney doesn’t get the nomination, that is the only hope this country has. We need to stop this counter-factual that it will be Romney vs. Obama.
i would never support a socialist, homosexual promoting, abortion loving, pro-tax thug like Obama over Romney
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But Romney is all those things as well.
I won’t be voting for Romney. If he gets the nomination, I’ll be campaigning full time against him. There will be NO campaign for an abortionist, homo agenda pushing, gun grabbing, big government, mandate loving, statist, RINO, political whore on FR. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever!!
Anyone who doesn’t like that is more than welcome to take his RINO loving free speech rights elsewhere.
Rebellion is brewing.
GO TEA PARTY!!!
Mormons will vote for Mormons over conservatives. For them, it is all about what furthers ‘the Church’, and a Mormon POTUS will do that.
If Utah was conservative, why did it go 94% for Romney in the primary? I lived in Utah (Provo specifically) and it isn’t nearly as conservative behind closed doors as people think.
If Mitt Romney is in, I'm out! Declaration of Independence of Jim Robinson, But Romney is a NO go. And I don't care who this socialist, abortionist, homosexualist, constitution trampling bastard picks for running mate. If Romney's in I'm out! G.O.P., R.I.P!
BTW, one of the reasons I converted to Mormonism (as a teenager) was because of the perception they are strongly conservative. I was shocked, and dismayed, to find out otherwise after I was in ‘the Church’ and moreso when I moved to Utah.
That is a bold, strong statement Jim, thanks, and I agree with it.
"...strongly advises its members not to affiliate with organizations that are secret, oath-bound,or would cause them to lose interest in church activities."[Salt Lake Tribune Section D1, Monday Feb. 17, 1992]
thinking like that gave us 8 years of bill clinton.....all the ross perot voters thought like you.
SOMEone has started a rumor that them boys wuz MORMON - by their fruits you would know them and all that...
hard to believe. the country will not survive another term for zero. i will join mark levin and many, many, many more conservative, pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-capitalist voters and doing everything i can to defeat ZERO. he is the enemy of liberty and must be defeated.
What YOU said!!
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).