Posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Not sure what you are driving at, Elsie
Smoky Back Room!
Oh, I think that the MORMONs have that locked up with a lifetime award!
But ANYone who states that they think the BoM is TRUE, is speaking the words of Satan (or they is NUTS!)
One might BELIEVE it true; but THINK it so??
Well...
Illustrate the THINKING process and you may convince me.
One should be careful that one's zeal for "defending the faith" does NOT descend into hateful name-calling that is lacking in the love for CHRISTIANs that MORMONism is DOCUMENTED as showing!
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
No completely untrue at all.
You DO have to sustain the prophets, apostles and local leadership and those are things that they have said.
Want quotes?
You know, Nana, coming out of Mormonism was like waking up from a bad mind fog, like clearing out the cobwebs. I was finally able to start thinking for myself again. I look back on my beliefs and actions when I was LDS and cry out “Dear Lord, what was I thinking??! How could I be so blind?? How could I be so blasphemous!!??” It is like looking back and seeing a different personality in my body.
When I was LDS, I would have cried “Completely Untrue” because I would have just taken the statement at face value, rather than seen it for what it was.
If I sustain the prophets, et al in my recommend interview, then I must by necessity sustain their teachings. Either they are prophets or they are not. If prophets, then their writings are true and consistent. If not, then they are not.
So, since the prophets have over and over again said that Christianity is a pack of nonsense, evil, nothing good etc,(I can provide quotes) then by sustaining them to get and keep my Temple recommend, I must by necessity, agree with their statements.
I would love to go to Manti, or even Palmyra for a short term mission. I know a lot of the street preachers who witness at both of them.
When I mentioned Manti, I was wondering if Norm had ever been to the pageant there
Skits mocking Christianity are performed ...
The mormon actors are not the least concerned about looking “foolish for thinking there was nothing good in any faith but their own”
The photo would not survive anywhere on Free Republic.
Then it shall remain unposted. :)
Won't do any good, I fear.
He appears to ONLY want to 'discuss' things 'christian' found in MORMONism; NOT things MORMON found in it.
John, it seems to me that I recall that you're ex- CoC...but still at heart a restorationist.
Since you're accusing others of "hiding" their denominations, care to share what sect you're part of now? Or are you just part of the denomination of self? If you don't care to share, is it pot meets kettle?
As for me, John, I'm an Evangelical.
For this to be "so", John, would mean that you deem the Gentiles as having some other shepherd than Jesus Christ (your claim that "Jesus Himself was not sent to the Gentiles").
So, you not only buy into Joseph Smith's revelation that the Smith-church was...
..."the only true and living church on the face of the earth" [D&C]...
...oh, & btw, tell us John, which church is that? the Mormon version, the fLDS version, the RLDS, the CoC which emerged from the RLDS, or any of the restorationist offshoots?
...but you are now claiming that Gentile Christians have a shepherd other than Jesus because He wasn't sent to us, eh?
First, your Joseph Smith attacks us as having an implied false & dead church; and you've said "Amen" to that along with Normandy all your Smith-discipled lives...now you personally attack all Christians (especially on this thread) as being shepherdless Jesus Christ-wise.
And you've got some nerve & some gall accusing others on this thread of attacking Smith's disciples.
If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle. Keeping awake while he did it, was at any rate.
Mark Twain
No need to get riled.
They are MORMONs.
That's what they DO!
Btw, John, the grand-nephew of Joseph Smith, Joseph Fielding Smith, said of Joseph Smith: "...that it is evident that he also had some Gentile blood in him, for it is written in the Book of Mormon, that it came forth, 'by way of the Gentile,'...[citing 1 Nephi 13:35, 39] (Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 3, p. 63, 1960/1979)
So...I guess Jesus wasn't sent for the entire blood-line of Joseph Smith (& his rlds kid-"prophet," grandkid-"prophet," & great-grandkid "prophet," since he's part-Gentile, eh? [I'd say ALL Gentile; but I'll play along for the moment as to how Mormons convey Smith to show you your argument re: John 10:16 just doesn't stick.]
The cousin of one of your RLDS "prophets" (Joseph Smith's kid) -- Joseph Smith's nephew, revealed in 1878: "To put this matter more correctly before you I here declare that the principle of plural marriage was not first revealed on the 12th day of July, 1843. It was written for the first time on that date, but it had been revealed to the Prophet many years before that, perhaps as early as 1832." (Joseph F. Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 20, p. 29)
I mean, what, John? Do you always go around besmearing the extended family of Joseph Smith, Jr. and his son as open liars? Is this an open hobby of you & other Missouri-based restorationists?
Well, John & his fellow restorationists eschew the term "Mormon."
But, being a book of Mormonite adherent, it fit with the Utah-based group...might as well embrace it across the board.
Even if you don't embrace the belief of becoming a god, what do you do with Joseph Smith's King Follett sermon in 1844 about how his listeners needed to learn about becoming gods themselves?
Only a false prophet would teach that, John. And if he wasn't reliable to preach the restorationist gospel @ an 1844 funeral service, than nothing that came only thru him is reliable.
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