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The Companionship of the Holy Ghost - Mormon
LDS.org ^ | August 1988 | Carlos E. Asay

Posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

The Companionship of the Holy Ghost

By Elder Carlos E. Asay

Of the First Quorum of the Seventy

For many unmarried Latter-day Saints, particularly some of the single sisters, courtship and eternal companionship are unrealized dreams. You long for them, you know eternal companionship is a crucial part of the gospel, and yet you feel frustrated because no worthy partner is available.

It is tempting to wish that I could match you with perfect companions in an instant and send you off for the eternities in joyful marriages. But such a solution would be satanic. Satan, you will remember, wanted to dictate the courses of our lives, doing away with our testing and choosing, thus frustrating our Father’s plan and stopping our progress.

Your courtship with a mortal companion is not something you can dictate or plan by yourself. But there is a companionship of great and eternal significance over which you do have full and complete control. It is a companionship that can be obtained and enjoyed by all, regardless of age or sex. It is a companionship that heals loneliness, motivates to excellence, and gives meaning to life. It is the companionship of one of the members of the Godhead—the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, the Revelator, the Sanctifier, the Spirit of the Lord. It is a companionship which will assure you that you’re not alone, and will never be alone.

Mortal companionships—one person with another—are important and essential, and if they are cemented by love and mutual respect, they can become heavenly in nature and bring unspeakable joy. Any such companionship, however, becomes vacant and somewhat meaningless without the influence of the Holy Ghost. No mortal companionship ever overshadowed or surpassed in importance the binding of a person to the Spirit of the Lord.

“Prayed for That Which They Most Desired”

It is significant that while Christ taught and prayed with the Nephites, “they did pray for that which they most desired; and they desired that the Holy Ghost should be given unto them.” (3 Ne. 19:9.) As Church members, we have completed the necessary steps of faith, repentance, and baptism and have had authorized hands placed on our heads to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. But just as love between friends or companions must be cultivated and nourished like a tender plant, so likewise must a companionship with the Holy Spirit be cultivated.

When I was a young man I fell in love with a beautiful girl. More than anything in the world, I wanted to receive her love and eternal companionship. I therefore behaved my best, spoke my best, and gave my best as I courted her and sought to gain her favor. Even after she was promised to me, I recognized the need to continue the courting. My desire was, and still is, to please her and to avoid any offense. She is my inspiration, my motivation to live on a high and noble level.

The companionship of the Holy Ghost is cultivated in much the same manner. To obtain his influence and companionship, we must be our best; we must be worthy of his presence. I see five things we must do to attract and retain the Holy Spirit.

1. We must keep our bodies clean.

We must not pollute our mortal tabernacles in any way. We must live the Word of Wisdom; we must not misuse our powers of procreation; we must do whatever is possible to avoid disease or other enemies of our physical bodies. “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Cor. 3:16–17.)

2. We must keep our minds clean.

We must guard against all suggestive and carnal notions and other satanic influences. From the Doctrine and Covenants, we receive this advice and promise: “Let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven. The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion.” (D&C 121:45–46.)

Few things are more repulsive than evil minds and the filth they produce. Can one hope to enjoy the companionship of the Holy Spirit when one is double-minded—that, when his mind shares time with the evil one? I think not.

3. We must exercise faith and reserve a place in our hearts for the Holy Spirit.

Manifestations of the Spirit of God, we are told, are forfeited in the absence of faith. Moroni spoke openly of the gifts of the Spirit, including healing and tongues, then cautioned: “All these gifts of which I have spoken, which are spiritual, never will be done away, even as long as the world shall stand, only according to the unbelief of the children of men.” (Moro. 10:19.)

It is most important that we understand “that the Holy Ghost may have place in [our] hearts” only when we exercise faith in Christ. (Moro. 7:32.) How can we be acceptable to the Holy Ghost without recognizing and acknowledging those whom he represents—those of whom he testifies and bears witness? Loving and seeking the Christlike life is true worship—the kind of worship that opens our lives to the power of the Holy Ghost.

4. We must avoid all iniquity, all manner of wickedness.

As stated previously, gifts of the Lord cease when faith is missing. The same applies, and the problem is compounded, when iniquity is present.

Alma said, “No unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven.” (Alma 11:37.) Similarly, no unclean person can achieve a lasting relationship with the Spirit of God.

5. We must pray, feast upon the words of Christ, and walk uprightly before God.

The Spirit of the Lord teaches and entices a man to pray. (See 2 Ne. 32:8–9.) The words of Christ help us to understand who the Holy Spirit is and how he may be invited into our presence. (See 2 Ne. 32:1–3.) The Spirit of God persuades men to do good and to believe in Christ. (See Ether 4:11–12; Moro. 7:16–17.) So prayer, scripture study, and righteous living are musts.

The skeptic or gospel novice might inquire: “Why seek the Holy Ghost? Why strive for his companionship? What is in it for me?” Answers to these questions are abundant if we are receptive to the testimonies of those who know and have associated with the Spirit of the Lord. Some of these testimonies help to answer questions about the value of association with the Holy Ghost.

Would you like to possess perfect foresight, perfected powers to anticipate what to do under certain circumstances? If so, you must do as Nephi directed: “Enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, [for] it will show unto you all things what ye should do.” (2 Ne. 32:5.)

“Would You Like the Power of Discernment?”

Would you like to have powers of discernment—the power to identify truth? If so, you must read the word of God, acknowledge God’s Goodness, ponder, and ask of God. Through doing this, Moroni testifies, “By the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.” (Moro. 10:5.)

While I was a mission president in Texas, I was informed that a particular missionary had lost his testimony and wanted to go home. Some checking disclosed that doubts of the divinity of his call had been planted in the young man’s mind by an investigator. In an interview with the so-called investigator, I experienced special powers of discernment that enabled me to know that the man was a minister of another faith, posing as a college student and pretending to be an honest investigator of Mormonism. Confronted with the knowledge that had been revealed to me, he became confused and admitted his fraud. With the deceiver out of the way and the truth known, the missionary stayed and completed an honorable mission.

On one occasion, a missionary in the final week of his mission reminded me that I had given him clearance two years previously to serve a mission. The clearance had been extended with some reservations on my part because he had indulged in a number of transgressions before his mission. He said: “Elder Asay, you allowed me to go into the field after due repentance and after I promised that I would be strictly obedient and would work diligently. I can assure you that I have worked hard and have obeyed every rule.” Then he said something very significant. “I feel that my sins have been forgiven. I feel perfectly clean.” He had been cleansed through selfless service and by developing a close association with the Holy Spirit. He had been through the refiner’s fire, and impurities had been burned away.

“Would You Like to Hear Revelations from God?”

Would you like to have the power to hear, feel, and know the revelations of God? Through the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord promised, “I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost. … This is the spirit of revelation.” (D&C 8:2–3.)

I have heard President Marion G. Romney, at the conclusion of his testimony in a temple meeting, say something like this: “You may not have needed to hear what I have said today and you probably didn’t learn anything new. However, I learned something while speaking and I needed to hear these words.” This is a beautiful and open acknowledgment of the influence of the Holy Spirit.

Would you like to enjoy spiritual gifts—powers to heal, be healed, speak in tongues, for example? If so, give heed to the prophet Moroni’s words: “And all these gifts come by the Spirit of Christ; and they come unto every man severally, according as he will.” (Moro. 10:17.)

Would you like convincing powers of speech—the power to speak like an angel? If so, note Nephi’s question, “Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels?” (2 Ne. 32:2.)

Thirty years ago, while I served as a missionary in the Near East, my companion and I were assigned to visit a branch that had been torn apart by division and apostasy. We approached our assignment humbly and prayerfully. A crucial meeting was held involving the disaffected parties. My companion was selected to preach the sermon that we hoped would bring everyone together again. After we had fasted and prayed earnestly, he stood with confidence and worked the miracle. He spoke with the tongue of an angel. That young, inexperienced elder’s words healed wounds festering in the hearts of men much older than he, prompted confessions, and literally saved a branch of the Church.

“Would You Like the Power to Resist Temptation?”

Would you like the power to ward off and resist temptation? If so, do as Alma and Paul suggested: “Pray continually, … and thus be led by the Holy Spirit.” (Alma 13:28.)

Would you like to obtain perfect peace and assurance in all that you do? If so, make the Holy Ghost your companion and you, too, may receive the type of assurance given Nephi and Lehi: “Peace, peace be unto you, because of your faith in my Well Beloved, who was from the foundation of the world.” (Hel. 5:47.)

Finally, would you like the power to perform beyond your natural abilities? Would you like the help of unseen powers in all that you do? I refer to the power to speak with convincing authority—even the power to receive promptings that enable you to say things that you had not planned. I speak of the power to receive impressions, which, if heeded, bring blessings to you and others.

Mortal men and women are endowed with marvelous abilities and potential. But however great these mortal powers may be, they are only a shadow of those powers that can be claimed through a linkage with the Holy Spirit.

I hope you do not say to yourself that these words about a companionship with the Spirit are for someone else, not you. God is no respecter of persons. His blessings and gifts are not reserved for a precious few. It matters not whether you are an Apostle or a deacon, a Relief Society officer or a Primary teacher. All of us have the promise of gifts of the Spirit if we place ourselves in a position to claim them.

If your introduction to this divine companion seems incomplete, review your baptism and confirmation and determine whether you have really received him as you were commanded to do. Pay careful attention to your physical cleanliness, the cleanliness of your thoughts, the extent of your faith in Christ, your inclination to avoid all manner of sin, and your prayer and study habits.

It is wise from time to time to do some reflective thinking and determine whether you really know the Holy Ghost. Pause long enough to measure your acquaintance with spiritual gifts and powers. See whether foresight, discernment, sanctification, revelation, spiritual gifts, angelic speech, peace of assurance, and attendant blessings are evident in your life. Determine whether spiritual experiences are sprinkled generously throughout your daily living. And, if you find yourself wanting, have the courage to change and place your life in order.

If you will do these things, you need never be alone, for you will have the most important companion of all—the Holy Ghost.



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1 posted on 07/25/2011 10:34:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


2 posted on 07/25/2011 10:35:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Single Issue Poster Alert!”

/S


3 posted on 07/25/2011 10:42:50 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: greyfoxx39

The LDS teaching of the Holy Ghost (who will leave you if you are not ‘worthy’) is completely unbiblical.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 11:01:47 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39
1. We must keep our bodies clean.

We must not pollute our mortal tabernacles in any way. We must live the Word of Wisdom;


Ha ha!

D&C 89:7
And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

5 posted on 07/25/2011 11:24:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
...Christ taught and prayed with the Nephites...

HE did??

6 posted on 07/25/2011 11:26:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; greyfoxx39

He did, right after He committed mass murder. /eyeroll


7 posted on 07/25/2011 11:35:56 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39
Note: No Biblical sources listed in the article

Except, of course, for this one - 1 Cor. 3:16–17.

8 posted on 07/25/2011 11:46:57 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

Which is completely taken out of context and misused.

This LDS teaching is unbiblical, not to mention legalistic


9 posted on 07/25/2011 11:55:52 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

“No member of the godhead dwells in us in the literal sense of the word, but all of them dwell in us figuratively to the extent that we are like them.”
(See Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith pg 275-76)

. ...”the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which, if he should perform in righteousness, he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has” (An account of a sermon delivered by Joseph Smith on 27 Aug 1843)(Words of Joseph Smith, p, 245, capitalization and punctuation corrected)...

“the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body as the Savior did, or as God did, or the Gods before them took bodies” (Words of Joseph Smith, p. 382, capitalization and punctuation corrected)

Source: The Holy Ghost, by Joseph Fielding McConkie and Robert L. Millet, p. 9, copyright © 1989 Bookcraft, Inc

Yes that same Millet...


10 posted on 07/25/2011 12:09:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

I enjoyed the article. I wouldn’t have become a Mormon, without the influence of the Holy Spirit. And God continues to guide me and testify of truth through the power of the Holy Spirit.


11 posted on 07/25/2011 12:15:43 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Elsie

He played kickball and Pick up Jacks withem too.

On Friday nights they were found to be bowling in the humans to Gods tournaments.

Proudly sposored by Kolob Incorporated and Nephi Industries.


12 posted on 07/25/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Elsie

“We must not misuse our powers of procreation in any way.”

(Cue in Beavis & Butthead snickering wickedly)

;^)


13 posted on 07/25/2011 12:19:06 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: greyfoxx39

you know eternal companionship is a crucial part of the gospel,
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Quote, “President Hinckley outlined four ways young women can ensure virtue as a staple in their lives: prayer, study, tithing, and church attendance.” (Deseret News Sunday 3/25/07)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

No mention of marriage...

the principles of celestial marriage
That by it alone can the iniquity of the world be eradicated, and women exalted in heaven? Do you not know that polygamy is to purify the world, and give birth to a holy race, worthy to receive Christ?” (Anon)

Society is much the same everywhere. However, there is one peculiar feature about the Mormon society. The men are all and always matrimonially eligible. Only the women are married and settle (Anon)

Love! we leave that to the Gentiles. Saints marry from principle: women to get to heaven, and men to amuse themselves (Anon)

Conference was the time of marrying and giving in marriage. Conference is also the time to pay up the tithing: that chief duty of a Saint, without which none other is meritorious. The tithing-office overflows. The theater offers its choicest attractions; thus prayer, business and pleasure, make Conference the two great events of the year. (Anon)


14 posted on 07/25/2011 12:21:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

you feel frustrated because no worthy partner is available.
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Well gollies

Wasnt this the reason given for polygamy amongst the early Utah Territory Mormons in the first place ???

Not enogh “worthy” mormon males out there in the desert to “marry”

The Mormon woman had to share the few available guys ???


15 posted on 07/25/2011 12:27:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy

Is the “God” you refer to the one who is:

* not eternal, and,

* did NOT create the universe?

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Because it is written about the God I worship:
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“For BY Him ALL things were created,
things in heaven and things on earth,
visible and invisible,
whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities,
ALL things were created BY Him and FOR Him.”
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Colossians 1:16


16 posted on 07/25/2011 12:42:21 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Normandy
I enjoyed the article. I wouldn’t have become a Mormon, without the influence of the Holy Spirit. And God continues to guide me and testify of truth through the power of the Holy Spirit.

I'm sure you believe so...however, did it escape your notice that there was only ONE Biblical reference in the whole article? That must be because it "wasn't translated correctly", hmmm...???

I thought it was an excellent example of the "attitude of superiority" so common in mormonism...especially the need of the speaker to call a non-mormon a liar....I'm amazed that you aren't pointing out that item of "bigotry".

17 posted on 07/25/2011 12:43:07 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: T. P. Pole
1 Cor. 3:16–17

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God, which you are, is holy.

That sounds like he is saying you shall not kill, i.e. murder. What do you think it means?

18 posted on 07/25/2011 12:49:19 PM PDT by mc5cents (Noli nothis permittere te terere)
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To: Normandy

I wouldn’t have become a mormon, without the influence of the holy spirit.
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It appears your holy spirit is a dud...

Remember its not earned a body yet so it cant do anything for you...

The real Holy Spirit who is the Third Person of the Trinity is God and He kept me from ever converting from Christianity to mormonism by warning me when I was young and exposing the false doctrines of Joey Smith..


19 posted on 07/25/2011 12:52:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: T. P. Pole

1. We must keep our bodies clean.

We must not pollute our mortal tabernacles in any way. We must live the Word of Wisdom; we must not misuse our powers of procreation; we must do whatever is possible to avoid disease or other enemies of our physical bodies.

“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.” (1 Cor. 3:16–17.)
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Tee Pee

wheres the mention of the mormon doctrine, the word of wisdom in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Wheres the mention of sex in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Wheres the mention that W@E as mere humans have any “powers of procreation” in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Wheres the mention of disease in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Wheres the mention of the requiremment to “keep our bodies clean” in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Wheres the identification of any “other enemies of our physical bodies” in that Christian Bible scripture ???

In other words the mormon author misused the Christian Bible scripture and took it way out of context becauser knowing his Mormon readers and audience he was relying on them just to swallow the mormon doctrine Kool Ade and not to think for themselves and act like the noble Bereans and check on what they read...

He knew that the enslaved yes-men Mormons are not like free and questioning Christians...


20 posted on 07/25/2011 1:11:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy

Hi Norm, blessings to you and yours. I found the following helpful when learning to test the “spirits” so to speak during my apostasy from mormonism. If the “spirit’s” influence/admonitions don’t square with the Bible, then that spirit is not of God.

Can the Holy Spirit err by making a mistake? I say not.

False teachers forbid as evil what God has allowed, and command as a duty what he has left indifferent.

Christ always had some witnesses for the truth in the darkest times.

Viewing the 1769 King James Version.
1 Timothy Chapter 4

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.


21 posted on 07/25/2011 1:20:26 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Normandy

“I wouldn’t have become a Mormon, without the influence of the Holy Spirit.”

... Yet you’ve told me you have no way to know it was the Holy Spirit and not a demon.
You have your feelings to verify your feelings.

“And God continues to guide me and testify of truth through the power of the Holy Spirit.”

... And yet you don’t have any objective way to know that it really is the Holy Spirit
that is “testifying” and not a demon.

In fact, I can go farther...

Since mormonism contradicts the Bible in many ways, it is impossible to say that
the Holy Spirit is “testifying to truth” that supports mormonism. To say otherwise
is simply wishful thinking.

ampu


22 posted on 07/25/2011 1:27:16 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: reaganaut

Peter is probably the first, and the best example of one who struggled mightly but could’t stop lying for fear of what might happen to him. John 18. After the death of The Savior, Peter became fearless with the reception of the promised Holy Ghost Acts: 8-1 “But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be winesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth.”


23 posted on 07/25/2011 2:30:51 PM PDT by lawsone
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To: Normandy

And exactly HOW do you know it is the Holy Spirit rather than a demon?

What about those Christians who are told by the Holy Spirit to stay away from Mormonism or leave it?


24 posted on 07/25/2011 2:51:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: lawsone

Peter denied Christ while Christ was still in the flesh. It doesn’t say anything about having to be ‘worthy’ to keep the Holy Spirit, nor does any other verse in the Bible teach that.


25 posted on 07/25/2011 2:55:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

Like always it is always about works. A Christian will testify as to what the Holy Spirit does in their lives. How Christ changed them.

For the LDS it is all about what they MUST do (in this case to ‘keep’ the Holy Spirit as if they are in control of God). For the LDS it is about the individual not God.

1. We must

2. We must

3. We must

4. We must

5. We must


26 posted on 07/25/2011 3:27:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: SZonian

Hi SZ, hope you’re doing well.

Yes, we should test the spirits.

The Spirit that let me to Mormonism testifies to me of the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ, warns against sin, inspires me to love my fellow beings, encourages me to be patient and kind, provides comfort in difficult situations, gives me hope and faith, and makes me want to be an influence for good in the world.

All these things I find in the Bible.

Best regards,

Normandy


27 posted on 07/25/2011 3:35:23 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Tennessee Nana
Yes that same Millet...

 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


28 posted on 07/25/2011 4:21:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy

I believe that SOMEthing influenced you.

Millions of OTHER folks say the Holy Spirit kept them AWAY from MORMONism and it’s twisting of Christian beliefs.


29 posted on 07/25/2011 4:23:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy
Millions of OTHER folks say the Holy Spirit kept them AWAY from MORMONism and it's twisting of Christian beliefs.

Simple math test:

How many BoM's have been given away vs how many MORMONs are there?

30 posted on 07/25/2011 4:25:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Wheres the mention of sex in that Christian Bible scripture ???

Ok...

...just WHO said SEX??


What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
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Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

31 posted on 07/25/2011 4:29:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
And exactly HOW do you know it is the Holy Spirit rather than a demon?

BONES!

32 posted on 07/25/2011 4:30:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut

So you do not believe that the “Spirit” is also called the Holy Ghost?
You are telling me that a Christian who becomes a thief, a murderer, or even a non-believer will still have the Holy Ghost? Is there no room for common sense in “Christianity”


33 posted on 07/25/2011 4:31:26 PM PDT by lawsone
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To: reaganaut
BONES!

Wait a minute!!

I'd better re-think this!

34 posted on 07/25/2011 4:31:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy
The Spirit that let me to Mormonism testifies to me of the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ, warns against sin, inspires me to love my fellow beings, encourages me to be patient and kind, provides comfort in difficult situations, gives me hope and faith, and makes me want to be an influence for good in the world.

Of course!

But what does it say about JS, BY, etal?

What about the CHANGING of GOD's mind all the time that is DOCUMENTED in MORMONism?

35 posted on 07/25/2011 4:34:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Normandy
The Spirit that let me to Mormonism testifies to me of ...

Why don't that spirit want you guys to EAT MEAT in the summertime?

36 posted on 07/25/2011 4:35:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: lawsone

The Sprit IS the Holy Ghost they are the same.

You said “So you do not believe that the “Spirit” is also called the Holy Ghost?
You are telling me that a Christian who becomes a thief, a murderer, or even a non-believer will still have the Holy Ghost?”

Then they either weren’t a Christian in the first place or they have lost their salvation because of their divorcing Christ (no longer having faith, becoming a non-believer). I never claimed a non-believer would have the Holy Ghost.

What I am saying, is that we have the Holy Ghost based upon OUR FAITH, not our works. The Holy Ghost will never leave a believer. The LDS doctrine that we must work and be ‘worthy’ through our WORKS to keep the Holy Ghost is not Biblical.


37 posted on 07/25/2011 4:37:37 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie
Why don't that spirit want you guys to EAT MEAT in the summertime?

Does this mean that I can't be Mormon?


38 posted on 07/25/2011 5:35:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: reaganaut

Indeed...


39 posted on 07/25/2011 5:54:50 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Normandy

“The Spirit that let me to Mormonism testifies to me of the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ, warns against sin, inspires me to love my fellow beings, encourages me to be patient and kind, provides comfort in difficult situations, gives me hope and faith, and makes me want to be an influence for good in the world.”

That should read “...Demon that led me to Mormonism...” since you do not have any verifiable proof it was the Holy Spirit - other than your feelings.

Encouraging you to pursue your own works and worthiness instead of the Grace of the Savior is a satanic trick as old as time...

You, however, can turn from your own works of righteousness (which God calls dirty rags) and to the true Savior and the Gospel of Grace right now.

Do it before it is too late for you Normandy.

ampu


40 posted on 07/25/2011 6:44:47 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: Elsie
"Simple math test:

"How many BoM's have been given away ...


Answer:

Twice the number of AOL Online CDs that were distributed throughout the 90s.

41 posted on 07/25/2011 6:47:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Normandy

Norm,

What you claim is proof of the Holy Spirit, isn’t. Your ‘proof’ is all ‘me me me me” and your works. If it were really the Holy Spirit, rather than a demon, there would be two big differences, it wouldn’t testify of teachings that counter the Bible (which Mormonism does) or a false Christ (which the LDS believe in) and your ‘testimony’ wouldn’t be ‘me me me me” it would be “Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus”.

So, again we ask you how do you KNOW it is the actual Holy Spirit and not a demon?


42 posted on 07/25/2011 7:10:36 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Normandy

The spirit that let me to Mormonism testifies to me of the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ
________________________________________________

See Norm ???

That statement right there is a contradiction against mormon beliefs and doctrines

1. Mormons believe that their Mormon jesus was just a man

2. Mormons dont believe that their mormon jesus was or is divine..until he “worked” and earned” it anyway..

3. The spirit that “talks” to Mormons denies the Trinity...

4. The spirit that “talks” to Mormons denies that their mormon jesus is God...

5. So you hear voices ???

6. This spirit that lead you...where did ya’ll go ???

7. This spirit that lead ya...what did it look loike ???

8. This spirit that lead ya...did ya get to shake its hand and check for bones ???

9. No ??? But Joey Smith said that was the way to tell...

10. No sustaining...no temple recommend for you...


43 posted on 07/25/2011 7:10:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Normandy

“I enjoyed the article. I wouldn’t have become a Mormon, without the influence of the Holy Spirit. And God continues to guide me and testify of truth through the power of the Holy Spirit.”

And someday maybe you will find the truth and the truth will set you free.


44 posted on 07/25/2011 7:25:58 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: MarkBsnr
Does this mean that I can't be Mormon?

No. It merely means if you EAT the stuff when it AIN'T cold or a FAMINE; you'll be like 99% of MORMONs: failing to OBEY their GOD.

What the CONSEQUENCES will be for them; I shudder to think!

45 posted on 07/25/2011 7:28:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

LOL


46 posted on 07/25/2011 7:29:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Twice the number of AOL Online CDs that were distributed throughout the 90s.

47 posted on 07/25/2011 7:34:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut

So, again we ask you how do you KNOW it is the actual Holy Spirit and not a demon?


I know through personal experience, a knowledge that I can’t transmit to you or anyone else.

And besides,

Does a demon testify that Jesus Christ is the Son of God? Did a demon persuade me to put my trust in Jesus Christ for my salvation? Does a demon influence me to repent of my sins? Does a demon inspire me to try and help and serve and uplift my fellow men and women? Would a demon influence me to try and live according to the teachings of Jesus?

Best to you,

Normandy


48 posted on 07/25/2011 8:16:26 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; aMorePerfectUnion; SZonian; Colofornian

And I know through personal experience that it isnt’ the Holy Ghost. Further, the Holy Ghost wouldn’t testify to things against the Bible and LDS teaching is contrary to the Bible.

Having had an LDS testimony, and having believed it was the HOly Ghost, then actually HAVING the Holy Ghost, after I believed in Christ for my salvation by grace alone, I testify to you that what you are feeling is a very cheap counterfeit.

Regarding your questions, yes it would, especially if it keeps you in a false church, believe in a false Christ, and rely on works rather than grace. A demon would rejoice in keeping you from a true knowledge of the Grace of Christ.

The LDS don’t live the teachings of Jesus, they live the teachings of Joseph Smith.


49 posted on 07/25/2011 8:33:51 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Normandy

Norm,
A demon will use a variety of ways to dissuade or confuse. The 10% rule is one that could be applied here. If the demon “persuades” you to follow the teachings of JS, et al, then he’s successful in that you are chasing down rabbit trails while at the same time missing the simpler and finer points of God’s grace. Ignoring the clear and simple gospel contained in the Bible.

A demon will do that. C.S. Lewis put it quite succinctly in the Screwtape Letters. A little bit of truth mixed in with a little bit of falsehood makes for a bitter recipe.

The BoM is a compilation of errors and deceptions designed to confuse and dissuade. It is replete with errors, lack of historical or archaeological evidence, or even the so-called “fullness of the gospel”, not including the lack of discussion or evidences of the temple ordinances.

The Christian God doesn’t hide His love or the requirements of salvation from His children as mormonism does (via the necessity of a temple recommend in order to attain celestial glory).

Blessings,
SZ


50 posted on 07/25/2011 9:17:11 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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