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Tomb of St. Philip the Apostle discovered in Turkey's Denizli
World Bulletin ^ | 5/27/11

Posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:32 AM PDT by marshmallow

D'Andria said the structure of the tomb and the writings on it proved that it belonged to St. Philip the Apostle, who is recognized as a martyr in the history of Christianity

The tomb of St. Philip the Apostle, one of the original 12 disciples of Christianity's central figure Jesus Christ, has been discovered during the ongoing excavations in Turkey's south-western province of Denizli.

Italian professor Francesco D'Andria, the head of the excavation team at the Hierapolis ancient city in Denizli, told reporters on Tuesday that experts had reached the tomb of St. Philip whose name is mentioned in the Bible as one of the 12 Apostles of Jesus.

Professor D'Andria said archeologists had been working for years to find the tomb of the Biblical figure, and finally, they had managed to reach the monument while working on the ruins of a newly-unearthed church in Hierapolis.

D'Andria said the structure of the tomb and the writings on it proved that it belonged to St. Philip the Apostle, who is recognized as a martyr in the history of Christianity.

Describing the discovery as a major development both for archeology and the Christian world, D'Andria said the tomb, which had not been opened yet, was expected to become an important Christian pilgrimage destination.

Hierapolis, whose name means "sacred city", is an ancient city located next to the renowned Pamukkale, white Travertine terraces, in Denizli province. It is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

The city, famous for its historical hot springs used as a spa since the 2nd century, is a mixture of Pagan, Roman, Jewish and early Christian influences.

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To: Cronos
we have some loony toons who think that “There will be no sign of the Son of Man in heaven...We just get a call, and go up” -—> have you set your speed dial and caller-id correctly?

I wouldn't worry about it if I was you...I'm thinkin' God doesn't have your number...

151 posted on 07/29/2011 9:07:09 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I wouldn't worry about it if I was you...I'm thinkin’ God doesn't have your number...

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On the contrary. . . . .I think God has his number :)

152 posted on 07/29/2011 9:11:34 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

lol...


153 posted on 07/29/2011 9:13:59 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Cronos

These are good points, and I am in league with Lorraine Boettner when he says that a certain amount of diversity in the finer points of theology keeps all of us honest. [My paraphrase].

It is a singular mindset to the Romans that there has to be unity in everything ecclesiastical. It’s not necessary to salvation. In the matter of heaven versus hell, all Protestants believe that Christ is the only means of salvation, and the only mediator between God and man. Church government, God’s means of speaking to us, what angels are, etc. are all distinctives without a real difference in the underlying truth of the reality of sin and the need for salvation in Christ. That is my only point. Therefore, that makes the Protestants the real catholics.


154 posted on 07/29/2011 9:19:17 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Cronos

And we can still be friends......


155 posted on 07/29/2011 9:22:19 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Cronos

Yup. Got it. Blessings.


156 posted on 07/29/2011 9:25:30 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: esquirette
of course, and I respect you and yes, your church (primarily because of you and in opposition to the bad image I had received of them from others) primarily because they hold to the Nicene Creed.

you may say "catholic Church" instead of capitalizing the C, that's your prerogative, I don't mind. Even if you want to call yourselves catholics, why not, it's your choice. I don't dispute you calling yourselves Presbyterians to differentiate from others, so why grudge us this?

157 posted on 07/29/2011 9:25:33 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: esquirette
all Protestants believe that Christ is the only means of salvation, and the only mediator between God and man

That is not completely correct -- Seventh Day Adventists for one, do not agree with that I'd say

158 posted on 07/29/2011 9:27:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Iscool
.I'm thinkin' God doesn't have your number

Maybe your non-Christian deity doesn't, but we Christians believe in God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit

i don't particularly care that your non-Christian deity wants to think

159 posted on 07/29/2011 9:28:29 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Iscool
.Well, I guess when you don't have scripture, you have insults...Nothing new under the sun..

Ah, but we do have Christian scripture. Your non-Christian cult which rejects our Christian bible can believe whatever it wants -- that's your choice.

160 posted on 07/29/2011 9:29:39 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

Yeah-I don’t know much about the Adventists. Guess there is a skeleton in the closet, after all in the proddie warehouse.


161 posted on 07/29/2011 9:58:57 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: narses

Nobody in the first century conducted church business by way of the internet. It’s not in the Bible.

Nobody in the first century went to Mass by driving a car. It is not in the Bible.

Nobody in the first century built a church using vehicular based construction tools. It’s not in the Bible.

Miss me? :-D


162 posted on 07/29/2011 11:54:18 AM PDT by HushTX (I make libs rage quit.)
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To: dartuser

in a debate on islamic theology, would they appeal to St Augustine? i prefer to use those who have receieved the gift of the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit that leads the Church into all truth, not men.


163 posted on 07/29/2011 2:58:31 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: esquirette

well, since protestants first appeared on the world stage in the 16th century, i’m glad to learn none of them believe they are the only congregation in which a soul might be saved. a true Catholic holds to the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles and believed by the Church for 2,000 years. Since protestants deny the real presence in the Eucharist and baptismal regeneration, in what sense can their faith be called “catholic”, since these doctrines were unheard of before the 16th century?


164 posted on 07/29/2011 3:12:24 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: esquirette

well, quite frankly, this is hardly your skeleton or warehouse. The Adventists, Mennonites etc. believe what they want to — it is their choice and the presbyterians are hardly in any way linked or responsible for their theology. Neither are we for that matter. Each is a separate set of beliefs and doctrines and stands separately.


165 posted on 07/30/2011 2:56:03 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: esquirette

Also, I do not like the disparaging term “prod...” — I prefer to address you as a Presbyterian, another freeper as a Pentecostal etc. — a Christian group is a Christian group.


166 posted on 07/30/2011 2:57:55 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: HushTX

Hush — on a serious note, how is it going finding a traditional Anglican parish while travelling? And how is your church doing? hold strong to the faith, we are all praying for you all


167 posted on 07/30/2011 2:59:57 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

lol ... sorry to bother you then. You can go back to sleep now.

Regards.


168 posted on 07/30/2011 4:32:05 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: bibletruth

Oh grow up already. Everyone knows already that you don’t like Catholic church. You don’t need to wear it on your sleeve.with every post.


169 posted on 07/30/2011 10:45:15 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: bibletruth

Oh grow up already. Everyone knows already that you don’t like Catholic church. You don’t need to wear it on your sleeve.with every post.


170 posted on 07/30/2011 10:45:26 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: dartuser
[I wonder where St. Peter was?] In Instanbul? He was in ROME.

The RCC has never been able to produce any credible evidence for this myth. Therefore, place that in the category of "sacred tradition" ... no evidence required then.

You apparently make a point of ignoring the Apostolic Fathers, not to mention Eusebius. I was going to point out that Peter was bishop of Antioch (per Ignatius, the second successor after him) and that he likely did not arrive in Rome until at least the middle 50's if not later. By then the church in Jerusalem was firmly planted (with James the Just as its head: this is not James the Apostle, by the way).The church in Rome, famed for centuries as the lodestone for correct understanding, was therefore not the first church planted (being first doesn't mean anything anyway).

I should also point out for those thinking 'catholic' meant 'universal' in any time period within centuries of the first one after Christ that this became the translation only when Vincent of Lerins and Augustine of Hippo used it that way in the late fourth century. Originally, the word meant 'complete' as in 'we are the catholic (hath olou) church because we have an apostolic bishop at our head, celebrate a true Eucharist and give the great Amen as one congregation, after which we communicate the most sacred Body and Blood of our Savior, exactly as He told us to do. We therefore have access to the saving grace of the kath olou (complete) Christ and the greatest likelihood of reaching salvation.

When one realizes this distinction, one easily understands what Paul means when he says 'the church in the house of [fill in the blank]' or the 'church which meets in one place at {fill in the blank]'. There is a universal (oeconomicos) catholic (kath olou) church when every church headed by a bishop holds the same understanding of the Savior they worship. So many local catholic churches add up to one universal catholic church.

Sorry if this wastes protestant reading time.

171 posted on 07/30/2011 10:59:00 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Psalm 144
I think the Mongols would not be on board with this.

Whatever claims they might make also postdate Christian ones. The only group having more ancient claim would be the pagans (false term), like those who worshipped Diana of the Ephesians and her cognates around the area. Seen any of them lately?

172 posted on 07/30/2011 11:01:47 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Your post might make sense to post #2. It is a non sequitur to my comment at post #54.


173 posted on 07/30/2011 11:23:17 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: terycarl
I agree with your points in a sense...but the "Catholic Church" is not the same as the organization based in Rome. (You want to balance the whole authority of Rome on one bible verse to St. Peter?) Is there overlap? Of course, as I fully acknowledge there are many Christians loyal to the Roman section of the Church.

However, the Church, as Rome itself acknowledges, is bigger than Roman Catholicism...which is why you, with Rome, would call me a Christian, or an Eastern Orthodox believer a Christian, or Baptists, or a Pentecostals or even a "non-denominational" believers, Christian. None are a part of the organization based in Rome, yet, when Rome acknowledges there are ANY Christians apart from her organization(and not all in her organization are true Christians either....just as in any other Christian body)--she acknowledges there is a Church universal, beyond Rome's reach--the members of whom are known by Christ our Head Himself.

I'm very familiar with the Patristic era (before AD 500) when the New Testament was first recognized and put together. All of the New Testament writings are 1st Century and of Apostolic origin...not invented or created by the Church, therefore, if one takes a historical/scholarly approach to what the Apostles actually believed and taught, you cannot look at it through the lens of many centuries of traditions, papal decisions and doctrinal appendages, any more than if you wanted to know what the Founding Fathers intended for our government, would you look at U. S. Supreme Court decisions, much less acts of Congress or Obama...instead of the Constitution itself.

I think there is an excellent parallel there--as Protestant Christianity is the original "strict constructionist" approach to Christianity--"back to the sources!" was the rallying cry of the Renaissance in which it was born... and the Bible, God's Word revealed to us, just as it was for those saints in the first 400 or 500 years, is the supreme authority, over and above the Church, who must be obedient to the Lord and his Word. Does this deny the authority of the Church universal? NO. It does however put her authority UNDER God's authority--thereby actually establishing her authority.

(Isn't it interesting that BEFORE Rome & Constantinople et al. became super powerful, politically and in every other way--the Church did actually stay together as one? When the Church leaders reached beyond the authority of holy Scripture, with innovations and traditions-made-dogma, then, and only then, did our fellowship break, beginning with the Great Schism, NOT Luther)

Yes, the Church Catholic in total (and like I said, that includes ALL Christians)....does have the authority to "interpret, explain and impose" (religiously, not with force of arms through the state...) the holy scripture, and I'm very proud of OUR Christian heritage--of those who gave their lives protecting, compiling, translating, editing, copying, preserving and saving the bible, especially in those early centuries.

However, if you took a time machine and transported say, Irenaus of Lyons, or Clement of Alexandria, Origen, or even the great Augustine of Hippo into the present day, they would not recognize the Church based in Rome today as that same Church Catholic they knew... MANY beliefs have been appended since those times...and NO Roman prelate in their day had anywhere near the power or supposed authority medieval Roman Catholicism granted the Bishop of Rome--which he continues to claim today.

The faith and practices of Rome appear very different to me and others who have read and studied the New Testament, from the faith and practices taught there...which is why, it is a fact that until recent generations, Rome discouraged bible reading...and even, a few hundred years ago, severely persecuted those who dared translate the bible (Look up William Tyndale, for example) into the common tongue.

Even now, the least biblically literate Christians I've ever met were Roman Catholic...as it makes sense, if the Church and the Curia have equal authority to the bible....then why bother to read and think, just ask your priest, right?

174 posted on 08/01/2011 7:59:11 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

I don’t have time right now to refute your statements but I will keep your message for further reference. One thing you said, however , that until recent generations the church discouraged bible reading.....first of all, until the invention of the printing press...virtually noone read the bible. Bibles were prohibitively expensive because they were hand copied by CATHOLIC monks, hence only royalty and a few libraries could afford them. You also mentioned bible interpretation...you can read and enjoy the bible all you want, but make no mistake about it, the church remains the authority concerning its interpretation. Can you imagine a couple of billion different images of what the bible really meant???not a good idea at all. Listen to what the church teaches and then adapt your interpretation to their teachings. I think that’s what Jesus had in mind when He gave the church the keys to the kingdom of heaven


175 posted on 08/01/2011 8:23:34 PM PDT by terycarl
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